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[0:20] <icedwater> So, how's the planning for the foodie social coming along?
[0:27] <triplez> i thought it's settled?
[0:27] <triplez> thursday dinner at holland v
[0:27] <triplez> er... can't remmeber what the restaurant name is
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[0:29] <elfgoh> triplez: posted on linuxnus twitter and linuxnus.org
[0:30] <triplez> lol
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[0:37] <icedwater> Ah, I see, because I will be able to pop by after reservist on Thurs... I have been granted early release it seems.
[0:42] <elfgoh> icedwater: oh
[0:42] <elfgoh> early out pro?
[0:42] <elfgoh> so will you be part of the podcast action on Fri?
[0:42] <elfgoh> jmarki: coming for the linuxnus foodie social?
[0:48] <icedwater> elfgoh: I wouldn't mind.
[0:48] <icedwater> Is that confirmed, too?
[0:55] <icedwater> Is there going to be anything after Thursday dinner @ Holland V?
[0:55] <icedwater> Drinks at Wala Wala, for instance?
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[0:58] <elfgoh> icedwater: i think ruiwen is keen on drinks at wala wala
[0:59] <icedwater> Which suggests that he might be alone in this :P
[0:59] <elfgoh> well i don't drink
[0:59] <icedwater> There is that.
[0:59] <elfgoh> But i am inclined to think that the rest do
[1:01] <icedwater> I see.
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[1:01] <icedwater> Well, we'll keep in touch via SMS. :)
[1:02] <elfgoh> speak of the devil
[1:02] <jmarki> elfgoh: which day?
[1:03] <jmarki> i'm losing track of stuff... =(
[1:03] <ruiwen> anyone seen ZDNet Asia's article?
[1:03] <elfgoh> Thur... as posted in mailing list, twitter, FB group and linuxnus.org
[1:04] <jmarki> O.o i tot was on 31st... eek...
[1:04] <ruiwen> coming for the foodie social jmarki?
[1:05] <dqminh> 31st is another event :p
[1:05] <elfgoh> jmarki: 31st is the red hat ceo talk
[1:06] <elfgoh> which eugene might turn up for in the evening
[1:06] <elfgoh> oh ya eugene... there is a gathering on Thur at holland V
[1:06] <jmarki> ooooo.... eugene the tall is here....
[1:07] <elfgoh> hmmm we shld chio nixxy too
[1:08] <jmarki> elfgoh, ruiwen: i will try to make it for both. most likely no prob for thurs, fri depends
[1:08] <elfgoh> any idea if there are halal makan places at holland V?
[1:09] <elfgoh> was thinking what if there are muslim peeps coming... eg luqman and ahmad
[1:09] <elfgoh> :s
[1:09] <jmarki> nixxy most likely won't be free... he's trying to finish his proj, the last i heard
[1:09] <elfgoh> what projecT?
[1:09] <elfgoh> Jap?
[1:09] <jmarki> elfgoh: work. coding
[1:09] <elfgoh> ohhhhh
[1:09] <ruiwen> elfgoh: um..
[1:09] <ruiwen> elfgoh: the hawker area probably has some
[1:10] <jmarki> swenson loh
[1:10] <jmarki> =D
[1:10] <jmarki> i'll eat pasta again, as usual... or grass
[1:10] <ruiwen> or maybe NYDC too, i'm not sure
[1:35] <elfgoh> triplez: so at least you and icedwater will be there for the podcast.... let's wait for ruiwen and dqminh and dwu's reply if they haven't
[1:36] <ruiwen> yes?
[1:37] <elfgoh> ruiwen: will you be there for the podcast?
[1:38] <elfgoh> triplez was worried he will be lonely :p
[1:38] <triplez> *blush*
[1:38] <ruiwen> elfgoh: triplez: i will definitely try to be there
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[1:39] <ruiwen> will probably have to take another half day off from work
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[2:26] <ruiwen> elfgoh: might be late on thurs though, might need to wrap up work, but will join you guys there a little later
[2:27] <elfgoh> ok
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[11:43] * elfgoh throws some rambutans at ruiwen
[11:43] * elfgoh throws mangosteens at icedwater
[11:44] * ruiwen eats a fruity breakfat
[11:44] <ruiwen> um
[11:44] <ruiwen> breakfast
[11:45] <ruiwen> incidentally, i had blueberry morning cereal for breakfast
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[11:57] <triplez> breakfat?
[11:57] <triplez> :P
[11:57] <triplez> btw ruiwen... you might be interested in this
[11:57] <triplez> http://progit.org/book/
[11:59] <ruiwen> ooh that looks handy
[11:59] <ruiwen> thanks triplez
[11:59] <triplez> np
[11:59] <triplez> always looking out for my buds
[12:04] <ruiwen> =) yay
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[14:22] <elfgoh> Gwayne: how much time do you need for the Xen workshop? And which do you think is better, 12 or 15th Aug?
[14:24] <eugene> elfgoh: xen workshop?
[14:28] <elfgoh> eugene: yeap
[14:28] <elfgoh> Gwayne: will be conducting a hands on
[14:28] <elfgoh> in NUS
[14:28] <eugene> elfgoh: great. what kind of topics will you cover?
[14:29] <elfgoh> eugene: I haven't got the scope from Gwayne yet. But i think it should be introductory
[14:29] <eugene> elfgoh: i have a couple of xen workshops I wrote for work that you could use.
[14:29] <eugene> elfgoh: needs some updating though
[14:30] <elfgoh> eugene: those will be a great resource. Not sure whether Gwayne needs for reference
[14:30] <elfgoh> You can pass it to us anyway :)
[14:31] <eugene> Lab 1: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/Virtualization-en-US/task-virt-lab1.html
[14:31] <eugene> Lab 2: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/Virtualization-en-US/task-virt-lab2.html
[14:31] <eugene> Manual: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/Virtualization-en-US/index.html
[14:32] <elfgoh> eugene: outstanding!
[14:32] <elfgoh> Thanks!
[14:32] <eugene> no prob. keep me updated with the xen workshops.
[14:32] <elfgoh> yea ok
[14:34] <eugene> do we still have Unix Workshops for freshies?
[14:34] <eugene> I conducted one when I was an undergrad.
[14:34] <elfgoh> eugene: there are but they are conducted by comp club
[14:34] <eugene> there was bss then
[14:34] <elfgoh> IIRC
[14:34] <eugene> bbs
[14:34] <eugene> ic
[14:34] <elfgoh> have to check with the SOC peeps
[14:34] <eugene> ok
[14:34] <elfgoh> since i am not from SoC
[14:35] <eugene> elfgoh: you are not?
[14:35] <eugene> elfgoh: i keep forgetting.
[14:35] <elfgoh> eugene: Life Sciences
[14:35] <eugene> elfgoh: oh
[14:35] <eugene> elfgoh: impressive.
[14:35] <elfgoh> The prodigal son :D
[14:36] <ruiwen> elfgoh is our rock star =p
[14:36] <eugene> hehe
[14:36] <elfgoh> riggggghhhttt
[14:36] <eugene> you guys did a good job in keeping linuxnus alive.
[14:37] <eugene> folks from my batch are mostly bbs users ;)
[14:37] <elfgoh> eugene: Well we are still at it.... you and your folks can come help us
[14:37] <eugene> elfgoh: let me know what is needed.
[14:39] <ruiwen> heh no more bbs nowadays.. that was key in spreading the word about linuxnus when we started =p
[14:39] <eugene> ruiwen: hehe. i remember we had bagua party even.
[14:39] <eugene> ruiwen: i miss school.
[14:39] <elfgoh> eugene: did i show you this photo before: http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2372368880101890940bwJTxY ?
[14:40] <eugene> elfgoh: you did not
[14:40] <eugene> that was the original linux.comp.nus.edu.sg
[14:40] <ruiwen> eugene: what's bagua?
[14:40] <eugene> ruiwen: rou gan
[14:41] <elfgoh> that photo was salvaged from linux.com.nus.edu.sg via the wayback archive
[14:41] <eugene> elfgoh: that was like late 90s
[14:41] <eugene> elfgoh: that was even before my time, before 2001/2.
[14:41] <ruiwen> eugene: oh. haha
[14:41] <elfgoh> heh i see... not too far away mah..... wonder where those guys are now
[14:41] <ruiwen> indeed
[14:41] <eugene> elfgoh: i had the archive somewhere.
[14:42] <elfgoh> think they wld be happy to know we are still alive lol
[14:42] <eugene> elfgoh: one or two of them are in my facebook/linkedin
[14:42] <eugene> elfgoh: during my time, we didn't take any photos :(
[14:42] <elfgoh> eugene: oh! Do mention that we are here if you have the chance :)
[14:42] <eugene> elfgoh: I think I had linux.comp.nus.edu.sg for awhile? I can't remmeber.
[14:42] <eugene> elfgoh: ok
[14:43] <elfgoh> Always good for geeks to gather in one place :D
[14:43] <eugene> elfgoh: I remember having the old linux.comp homepage, modified with some stuff. i can't remember.
[14:43] <eugene> that was an installfest. i don't think we had an installfest between 2001 to 2004/5
[14:45] <eugene> elfgoh: we should keep all the good stuff from our seniors. there were articles by rhandeev i think we can still find online
[14:45] <eugene> elfgoh: rhandeev is working in google hq now.
[14:46] <elfgoh> eugene: am totally clueless as to who Rhandeev is heh
[14:46] <elfgoh> but yea we shld archive stuffs as much as possible
[14:47] <eugene> elfgoh: rhandeev is my senior. i am ruiwen's senior.
[14:47] <eugene> haha
[14:47] <eugene> i used to run cisacsg server
[14:47] <eugene> which was for the alumni
[14:47] <eugene> many of the linux.comp old timers logging to this server
[14:47] <eugene> in order to bbs with the current soc students
[14:48] <eugene> cisa was the alumni club for soc nus
[14:48] <eugene> but the server died in around 2004
[14:48] <eugene> i remember seeing stacks and stacks of analog modems near this server
[14:48] * elfgoh wonders what BBS was like.....
[14:48] <eugene> in the same room where we have/had our sunfires, like sf3, etc.
[14:49] <elfgoh> eugene: does anyone BBS these days?
[14:49] <eugene> elfgoh: i think no one. i heard it's dead. shutted down.
[14:49] <ruiwen> yup it's gone i think
[14:49] <eugene> after i graduated, the batch after me don't really care about bbs anymore.
[14:49] <eugene> cisacsg was like the "backdoor" for graduands to "return" to school to bbs.
[14:50] <eugene> then we have/had alum.comp.nus.edu.sg...
[14:50] <elfgoh> hmmmm can #linuxnus replace the BBS :D
[14:50] <elfgoh> ^?
[14:50] <eugene> it was running debian sid ;)
[14:50] <eugene> elfgoh: it's really different
[14:51] <eugene> elfgoh: we use usenet via tin as well.
[14:51] <elfgoh> gosh i missed out on so much~
[14:51] <elfgoh> only had internet around 2000 i think
[14:51] <Gwayne> rm -rf debian sid
[14:52] * Gwayne got internet in 1993
[14:52] <elfgoh> i had my 1st comp in like 97?
[14:52] * Gwayne was very poor in 1993-1995 because of his phonebill
[14:53] * Gwayne had his first computer in 1978
[14:53] <eugene> Gwayne: hey mike
[14:53] <Gwayne> No 1982
[14:53] <Gwayne> Heya eugene !
[14:53] <eugene> :)
[14:53] <elfgoh> You 2 know each other?
[14:54] <eugene> elfgoh: we are buddies
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[14:54] <elfgoh> Oh!
[14:54] <Gwayne> What kind of heresy is that you running Debian :)
[14:54] <eugene> Gwayne: haha :D
[14:55] <elfgoh> Gwayne: so did you get my questions about the workshop?
[14:55] <Gwayne> elfgoh, Without eugene I would feel less save using the kernel :-)
[14:55] <Gwayne> elfgoh, What we want to do ?
[14:55] <elfgoh> Gwayne: haha
[14:56] <elfgoh> (02:22:17 AM) elfgoh: Gwayne: how much time do you need for the Xen workshop? And which do you think is better, 12 or 15th Aug?
[14:56] <Gwayne> elfgoh, Autodeployment Linux - OpenSuse/Fedora and maybe Ubuntu
[14:56] * Gwayne is checking his agenda
[14:57] <Gwayne> 15
[14:57] <Gwayne> Saturday
[14:57] <elfgoh> ok
[14:57] <elfgoh> time?
[14:57] <Gwayne> 12:00 so everybody can have a good rest ?
[14:57] <elfgoh> haha
[14:57] <Gwayne> Until 18:00+ or something ?
[14:58] <elfgoh> might as well make it 1pm
[14:58] <elfgoh> so that they can come after lunch?
[14:58] <Gwayne> No problem
[14:58] <Gwayne> We start at 12 :P
[14:58] <Gwayne> Prepare :)
[14:58] <elfgoh> Cool. Let me get the booking going
[14:59] <Gwayne> I did put it in my agenda
[14:59] <elfgoh> Gwayne: ok. anyway eugene has gave some red hat references for Xen :op
[14:59] <elfgoh> Do you want them? ;_
[14:59] <elfgoh> ;)
[15:00] <elfgoh> You can find it easily if you scroll up to the chat at 231pm
[15:01] <Gwayne> 14:31 :P
[15:01] <elfgoh> Fiiiineeee
[15:01] <Gwayne> <eugene> Lab 1: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/Virtualization-en-US/task-virt-lab1.html
[15:01] <Gwayne> <eugene> Lab 2: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/Virtualization-en-US/task-virt-lab2.html
[15:01] <Gwayne> <eugene> Manual: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/Virtualization-en-US/index.htm
[15:04] <elfgoh> well our local FOSS community is so small..... should make sure everyone gathers at one place to make things happen
[15:05] <Gwayne> Its not that small :-)
[15:05] <Gwayne> Just splintered
[15:05] <Gwayne> Mmm, I probably see eugene at friday
[15:05] <eugene> Gwayne: the tdm one?
[15:05] <elfgoh> oh btw, we have a foodie social meetup at holland V on thur
[15:06] <elfgoh> check out linuxnus.org
[15:06] <Gwayne> eugene, Yeah Whitehurst
[15:06] * Gwayne loves food
[15:06] <eugene> Gwayne: okie
[15:07] * Gwayne does not like Holland V
[15:07] <eugene> i don't like holland v too
[15:07] <elfgoh> haha
[15:07] <elfgoh> oops
[15:08] <eugene> elfgoh: do you guys run the webserver in a chroot or... ?
[15:08] <elfgoh> eugene: which server?
[15:08] <eugene> elfgoh: linuxnus
[15:09] <elfgoh> eugene: that is shared hosting
[15:09] <eugene> elfgoh: ok
[15:09] <eugene> elfgoh: do backup often :)
[15:09] <elfgoh> eugene: yea I upgrade wordpress often so naturally backup goes with it
[15:10] <Gwayne> elfgoh, its wordpress ? Not drupal ?
[15:10] <elfgoh> Gwayne: yea wordpress
[15:11] * Gwayne thinks it looks good
[15:11] <elfgoh> Gwayne: it's just the theme, and some plugins
[15:12] <elfgoh> Pretty sure it can be done for Drupal too, but not without a lot of work unless there are ready made stuffs
[15:14] <eugene> i should start a blog.
[15:14] <eugene> but i'm definitely not using wordpress
[15:14] <elfgoh> eugene: security reasons? :p
[15:15] <Gwayne> eugene will use vi
[15:15] <eugene> Gwayne: yeah. I will probably use that
[15:15] <Gwayne> I knew it
[15:15] <eugene> Gwayne: or blosxom static pages rendering
[15:15] * Gwayne slaps eugene
[15:15] <Gwayne> This is 2100 !
[15:15] <eugene> haha haha
[15:15] <Gwayne> Now you need 3D
[15:15] <Gwayne> sheesh
[15:15] <eugene> lol
[15:16] <elfgoh> gosh mum puts a tv on the ceiling for son: http://demonlism.com/2009/07/mom-installs-98-inch-screen-in-sons-bedroom-ceiling-deservedly-garners-award-nomination/
[15:16] <eugene> i need to be able to sleep well at night..
[15:17] <eugene> Gwayne: http://users.volja.net/database/matasano.PNG
[15:20] <Gwayne> wow mega porn ! :P
[15:21] <hyperair> and matasano is a security firm eh..
[15:21] <hyperair> how very secure they are
[15:23] <eugene> hehe
[15:24] <eugene> it's quite unfortunate.
[15:24] <hyperair> i can imagine.
[15:25] <eugene> hyperair: is this you? http://twitter.com/hyperair2
[15:25] <hyperair> yep that is
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[15:27] <eugene> hyperair: i use twitter too.
[15:28] <hyperair> i see
[15:28] <hyperair> what's your username?
[15:31] <eugene> hyperair: shared with you in pm
[15:32] <hyperair> i noticed
[15:33] <hyperair> thanks =)
[15:33] <eugene> :)
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[16:24] <haoyu> is samba the only way to access SoC printers?
[16:25] <elfgoh> haoyu: technically you can plug your laptop directly to the printers and they will work too :p
[16:25] <elfgoh> But sorry i was never an soc student so totally clueless
[16:25] <haoyu> I think since these printers are not Windows printers, so...
[16:26] <haoyu> :D
[16:26] <elfgoh> but i believe samba should be the best way to do so
[16:27] <haoyu> maybe. :) okey I'll play with samba
[16:34] <elfgoh> haoyu: http://opensource.nus.edu.sg/wiki/index.php/NUSNET_printing if you have yet to look at it
[16:34] <elfgoh> oh wait
[16:34] <elfgoh> that is NUSNET
[16:34] <elfgoh> not soc
[16:34] <elfgoh> hmmm
[16:34] <elfgoh> but well it might be helpful
[16:39] <haoyu> em yes the setup is as same for soc
[17:14] <elfgoh> !twitter Google Code Jam 2009: http://code.google.com/codejam/
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[18:47] <eugene> elfgoh: ping
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[19:10] <elfgoh> eugene: yes?
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[20:45] <patrickh1ller> eugene: thanks!
[20:48] <eugene> patrickh1ller: you're welcome :)
[20:48] <patrickh1ller> eugene: not really
[20:48] <eugene> patrickh1ller: ok :)
[20:48] <patrickh1ller> i use my blog for most of that. http://patrick.haller.ws
[20:49] <patrickh1ller> do you blog?
[20:49] <eugene> patrickh1ller: i'm planning to. i tweet most of the time.
[20:50] <patrickh1ller> what's your twitter nick?
[20:50] <patrickh1ller> rss'ing to email. ;)
[20:50] <eugene> patrickh1ller: saw it?
[20:50] <eugene> patrickh1ller: :)
[20:52] * patrickh1ller interfaces with the world through screen
[20:52] <patrickh1ller> twitter -> rss2email -> imap -> mutt
[20:52] <eugene> patrickh1ller: awesome. btw, are you going to speak about bash at geekcamp? I can't remember if it is bash or is it something else.
[20:53] <patrickh1ller> although i did add bash completion to twitter from the commandline ;)
[20:53] <patrickh1ller> yup
[20:53] <patrickh1ller> all shell, all the time ;)
[20:53] <eugene> patrickh1ller: nice
[20:53] <eugene> patrickh1ller: i should be attending geekcamp.
[20:53] <patrickh1ller> good deal.
[20:53] <patrickh1ller> it'll be interesting to see what BoFs start up
[20:54] <patrickh1ller> maybe a linux hackers one
[20:54] <eugene> patrickh1ller: i should plan a talk as well.
[20:54] <patrickh1ller> go for it!
[20:55] <patrickh1ller> how much time were you thinking about?
[20:55] <eugene> patrickh1ller: maybe 30 mins. or maybe just do a lighting talk
[20:55] <patrickh1ller> cool.
[20:56] <patrickh1ller> the long talk schedule is filling up, so you should commit in the next week to get a slot.
[20:56] <patrickh1ller> it might be fun to organize a lightning talk geek camp
[20:57] <patrickh1ller> like have everyone show up with a 5-minute talk
[20:57] <eugene> patrickh1ller: okie dokie.
[20:57] <patrickh1ller> adn have a bunch of break down periods to just talk over ideas that have come up
[20:57] <eugene> patrickh1ller: do i just list a talk topic? I don't see any names associated to the talks already listed in the wiki page
[20:57] <patrickh1ller> hmm.
[20:57] <patrickh1ller> should
[20:58] <eugene> patrickh1ller: hmm i will check it out in a minute
[20:58] <patrickh1ller> like "What?", "How long?", "Who?", "Status" should be the headers?
[20:59] <eugene> patrickh1ller: hmm
[20:59] <eugene> http://geekcamp.pbworks.com/ here?
[20:59] <patrickh1ller> yup
[21:00] <eugene> patrickh1ller: I saw "What?" and "For How long?" but I don't see "who and status"
[21:00] <patrickh1ller> on iphone or something? ;)
[21:00] <eugene> patrickh1ller: firefox, linux.
[21:00] <patrickh1ller> jk;)
[21:00] <eugene> patrickh1ller: I guess it's the css that is causing the problem.
[21:01] <patrickh1ller> hmm
[21:01] <eugene> patrickh1ller: oh. duh.
[21:01] <eugene> patrickh1ller: i didn't click the right arrow button :)
[21:01] <patrickh1ller> ah
[21:02] <patrickh1ller> that is annoying about pbwiki now
[21:02] <eugene> patrickh1ller: ok, now I need to talk of a topic
[21:02] <patrickh1ller> s/talk/think/ ?
[21:02] <eugene> think
[21:03] <patrickh1ller> go for it. if you find something interesting, just share it. that makes for good talks
[21:03] <eugene> patrickh1ller: yup.
[21:04] <eugene> patrickh1ller: I will probably talk about security or something about kernel development.
[21:04] <eugene> patrickh1ller: or maybe both.
[21:04] <patrickh1ller> good deal.
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[21:05] <eugene> patrickh1ller: so do you work in Singapore now?
[21:06] <patrickh1ller> yup, over at overseas family school
[21:06] <eugene> patrickh1ller: ah
[21:06] <patrickh1ller> along with michael and jamie clark
[21:07] <patrickh1ller> and trent payne
[21:07] <eugene> patrickh1ller: what do you do there? time-tabling?
[21:07] <patrickh1ller> well, i tried out this summer, re-vamping their network http://haller.ws/resume
[21:08] <patrickh1ller> and that went well, so now i'm trying out for their technology coordinator
[21:08] <eugene> patrickh1ller: impressive.
[21:08] <patrickh1ller> nah, resumes always look good ;)
[21:09] <patrickh1ller> how's life at rhat?
[21:09] <eugene> patrickh1ller: how do you know i work there? or did you see from my hostname?
[21:09] <patrickh1ller> ! google eugene teo
[21:09] <eugene> patrickh1ller: life there is not bad
[21:10] <eugene> heh
[21:10] <patrickh1ller> yeah, i figure with 3 years...
[21:10] <eugene> patrickh1ller: duration doesn't mean anything.
[21:11] <patrickh1ller> well, you probably like it (or don't have any options, but that really shouldn't be the case)
[21:11] <eugene> patrickh1ller: its not bad.
[21:11] <eugene> patrickh1ller: :)
[21:11] <patrickh1ller> now you're talking like a PM
[21:12] <patrickh1ller> ;0
[21:12] <patrickh1ller> what do you think you'll be doing in 5 years?
[21:12] <eugene> i hang out with them a lot :)
[21:13] <eugene> patrickh1ller: in 5 years hmm
[21:13] <eugene> patrickh1ller: watch more tv :)
[21:13] <patrickh1ller> while you can
[21:14] <patrickh1ller> tv'll be dead in 20
[21:14] <eugene> hehe
[21:14] <patrickh1ller> we'll have way more interesting tech
[21:14] <patrickh1ller> you may be able to call it tv
[21:15] <patrickh1ller> but it'll just be way different
[21:15] <eugene> patrickh1ller: maybe
[21:15] <patrickh1ller> true
[21:15] <patrickh1ller> sci-fi hat off ;)
[21:16] <patrickh1ller> do you consult on the side?
[21:17] <patrickh1ller> or is that rhat verboten?
[21:17] <eugene> patrickh1ller: excuse me?
[21:17] <patrickh1ller> err, does rhat not allow consulting while working at rhat? or?
[21:18] <eugene> patrickh1ller: if there is no conflict of interest, they are ok with it.
[21:18] <patrickh1ller> what? like no kernel development for M$ ;)
[21:18] <eugene> patrickh1ller: hairdressing business, toy train business, etc
[21:18] <patrickh1ller> wow
[21:19] <patrickh1ller> sounds like a pretty broad net, then
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[21:22] <patrickh1ller> joshuafalken, eh?
[21:22] <patrickh1ller> pretty good
[21:22] <hyperair> hmm who's susestudio?
[21:22] <eugene> patrickh1ller: sounds like you are having fun reading my life up.
[21:22] <patrickh1ller> rss2email just inbox'd 20 items
[21:22] <patrickh1ller> ;)
[21:23] <patrickh1ller> any films with better depictions of hacking out there?
[21:24] <patrickh1ller> the hacking in war games seemed pretty contemporary-correct. the rest of the CS in that film... meh...
[21:25] <eugene> patrickh1ller: not sure.
[21:27] <patrickh1ller> ick...
[21:27] <patrickh1ller> http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?storyid=6871 credit card woes at netsol
[21:28] <patrickh1ller> whatever happened to rotating credit card numbers? AMEX advertised them about 5 years ago.
[21:34] <timgoh0> patrickh1ller: Because if you rotate them through 360 degrees, they stay exactly the same?
[21:36] <patrickh1ller> timgoh0: space and cyclicality ...
[21:37] <patrickh1ller> timgoh0: sounds like a bad star trek
[21:37] <patrickh1ller> timgoh0: so maybe Q will show up now
[21:40] <eugene> i'm going to rest. ttyl patrickh1ller
[21:40] <patrickh1ller> seeya
[21:41] * timgoh0 snaps his fingers
[21:43] <patrickh1ller> dang dude. how are you going to type now?
[21:56] <timgoh0> patrickh1ller: With the bloody stubs at the ends of my hands?
[21:56] <jamestyj> hyperair: oops that was me using the wrong account. will fix that. ;)
[21:56] <patrickh1ller> not sure that's a good idea. I'd probably just go to the hospital or something
[21:56] <patrickh1ller> ;)
[22:00] <hyperair> jamestyj: haha =)
[22:01] <patrickh1ller> looks like some admin is blowing up the cia.gov website, or someone's having fun
[22:01] <patrickh1ller> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/US.html
[22:05] <timgoh0> patrickh1ller: Hmm, is it just me, or does Mr. de Lancie always play the bad guys?
[22:08] <patrickh1ller> Q must die
[22:10] <patrickh1ller> a fun drank-too-much-kopi-gau-and-now-i-cant-sleep project would be to digitallly remove Q from all the episodes he's in
[22:10] <patrickh1ller> picard will just be talking to himself.
[22:11] <timgoh0> patrickh1ller: It'll be like Garfield without Garfield.
[22:11] <patrickh1ller> yes, it'll be beautiful
[22:11] <timgoh0> patrickh1ller: I assume you've seen http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/ ?
[22:12] <patrickh1ller> nope, i go now
[22:12] <timgoh0> patrickh1ller: Also, Picard is fun enough on his own.
[22:12] <timgoh0> Remember that little scene from Masks?
[22:12] <timgoh0> 7x17 I think.
[22:13] <timgoh0> The one with him holding the statue in a almost phallic manner.
[22:13] <patrickh1ller> àpparently not. ;)
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[22:16] <timgoh0> patrickh1ller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj9xBG9z8_g
[22:16] <timgoh0> Jump ahead to 3:10
[22:17] <timgoh0> patrickh1ller: Also, note the mild smirking
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[22:28] <eugene> patrickh1ller: "Replaced open wifi with a lightweight MAC-based authentication scheme ". what's that? authentication by mac-address?
[22:28] <eugene> patrickh1ller: or whitelist of mac-address?
[22:28] <patrickh1ller> whitelist of recognized/ auth'd macs
[22:28] <patrickh1ller> basically easy auth
[22:29] <eugene> patrickh1ller: i see.
[22:29] <patrickh1ller> lightweight pseudo security
[22:29] <eugene> patrickh1ller: false security
[22:29] <patrickh1ller> easy and cheep and better than open
[22:29] <eugene> patrickh1ller: might as well make it open ;p
[22:29] <patrickh1ller> well, for determined hackers, yes
[22:29] <patrickh1ller> but for iphones walking by
[22:29] <patrickh1ller> fine ;)
[22:30] <elfgoh_> /me wonders if a closed but unlocked door is better thaan an open door
[22:30] <eugene> patrickh1ller: poor iphone users.
[22:30] <eugene> patrickh1ller: ok, going offline. ttyl again.
[22:30] <patrickh1ller> we wanted to reduce mac address churn on the network
[22:30] <patrickh1ller> that came from wifi.
[22:31] <elfgoh_> /whois sng
[22:31] <patrickh1ller> not secure it against hax0rs
[22:32] <elfgoh_> /join #obsd
[22:37] <elfgoh_> oops someone fainted at city hall :o
[22:37] <elfgoh_> but attended to by the station staff
[22:42] <patrickh1ller> eugene: any good feeds for security in SG? for stuff like syscan?
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[23:39] <elfgoh> hyperair: pdf looks awesome
[23:39] <elfgoh> sorry i meant pdfmod
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[23:44] <hyperair> elfgoh: it is, but there are issues which prevent the package from being completed just yet
[23:44] <hyperair> one of them is poppler-sharp
[23:52] <elfgoh> dqminh: ngiin ask you to add him in mafia empire... he needs more RHmen :p
[23:53] <dqminh> lol ok :p
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