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[0:19] <triplez> backkkk
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[0:45] <elfgoh> ruiwen: I used 3,2GB for this month on my BBOM
[0:46] <ruiwen> elfgoh: wow
[0:47] <ruiwen> elfgoh: that's quite a bit..
[0:47] <ruiwen> elfgoh: lucky you're on the 30gb plan though
[0:52] <triplez> 3.2gb?
[0:52] <triplez> wow
[0:52] <triplez> that's a lot
[0:52] <triplez> did you tether?
[0:53] <elfgoh> triplez: ruiwen hmmm no.. but i suspect it could be due to my long train rides
[0:54] <triplez> lol!!!
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[0:54] <triplez> that's true
[0:54] <triplez> lucky you're on 30gb plan then
[0:54] <triplez> hi jmarki!!!
[0:54] <elfgoh> indeed triplez
[0:54] <jmarki> triplez: yoz
[0:54] <elfgoh> maybe should ask jmarki how much he uses then
[0:55] <jmarki> eh?
[0:55] <elfgoh> jmarki: how much data do you use for your singtel BBOM?
[0:55] * jmarki checks new singtel bill
[0:55] <jmarki> 289460Kbyte
[0:56] <jmarki> the last few months was around 2GB
[0:58] <triplez> hmm...
[0:58] <triplez> wow... ok... maybe i should stick to m1 or starhub
[0:58] <triplez> they have a cap of $36+
[0:59] <jmarki> BBOM data usage $1447.30
[0:59] <ruiwen> jmarki: haha wow..
[0:59] <jmarki> Discounts BBOM 1000 (30GB) -$1447.30
[0:59] <jmarki> =D
[0:59] <ruiwen> yay
[1:00] <triplez> lol!
[1:00] <triplez> yay~
[1:01] <jmarki> that bill always make my day. =D
[1:01] <elfgoh> cheapo singaporean mentality :p
[1:02] <elfgoh> triplez: http://celettu.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/linux-gaming-heroes-of-newerth/ http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/
[1:02] <triplez> thanks!
[1:02] <triplez> i'll take 1 month to get 10 beta invites? :P
[1:02] <triplez> WOAH.. LOOKS GOOD
[1:02] <jmarki> nonono... it's the "wow! I only use 300MB, already $1.5k. Lucky on corporate plan" =D
[1:04] <triplez> but the beta is closed!
[1:05] <elfgoh> triplez: Congrats on everyone's hard work in getting us over the 30K+ fan mark today. We are preparing a large patch for the game today and after that goes out we will send out the keys to all our Facebook fans
[1:05] <elfgoh> http://www.facebook.com/board.php?uid=18063885304#/heroesofnewerth?ref=ts
[1:05] <triplez> ooo
[1:05] <triplez> *join*
[1:06] <triplez> i think it's a network game
[1:06] <triplez> online
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[1:16] <elfgoh> triplez: ruiwen http://www.h-online.com/open/Dispute-between-Linux-gurus-Alan-Cox-and-Linus-Torvalds--/news/113882
[1:17] <elfgoh> i believe Alan Cox is an employee of Red Hat
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[1:17] <triplez> LOL
[1:17] <ruiwen> ah
[1:17] <elfgoh> Totally God Sent :p
[1:18] <elfgoh> I think Jim might not have time to prepare for this since this is hot off the oven :p
[1:18] <jamestyj> welcome to the world of open source ;)
[1:18] <elfgoh> jamestyj: ruiwen triplez and the rest of the podcast team will do a podcast with Red hat CEO tomorrow
[1:19] <jamestyj> elfgoh: woo nice
[1:19] <triplez> alan cox is an employee of redhat?
[1:19] <triplez> really...?
[1:19] <jmarki> was, not is
[1:19] <jmarki> now he's at intel
[1:19] <elfgoh> triplez: ruiwen oops outdated!
[1:19] <elfgoh> apparently he left in dec 2008
[1:20] <jamestyj> heading out, cya folks
[1:20] <triplez> damn
[1:21] <triplez> i thought we'll have a perfect chance to pounce on jim... :P
[1:21] <elfgoh> triplez: of course you could twist the question around and post a the scenario hypothetically to him
[1:21] <triplez> elfgoh is evil
[1:22] <elfgoh> "We recently heard that Alan Cox, a former red hat employee, blah blah.... now how would Red Hat handle the situation if Cox was still at Red Hat?"
[1:22] <ruiwen> hm what does this have to do with Red Hat though?
[1:22] <triplez> oh yes ruiwen... i have another thing i dun like mac os about... the stupid case sensitive and non-case sensitive
[1:22] <triplez> they should stick to one... and keep with it
[1:23] <ruiwen> triplez: oh yeah.. had to reformat a few times in the beginning to get it right
[1:23] <elfgoh> ruiwen: pretty much nothing, since Alan is no longer a Red Hat employee
[1:23] <triplez> they are like kids
[1:23] <triplez> seriously
[1:23] <triplez> :P
[1:23] <elfgoh> ruiwen: unless we want to be a dick and twist the questions like i proposed :p
[1:23] <ruiwen> unfortunately Applications/ needs to be case insensitive for some apps to work apparently .. but at least i got my home partition case sensitive =P
[1:23] <triplez> i think linus is more matured
[1:24] <triplez> yes ruiwen.... i hate it
[1:24] <ruiwen> elfgoh: hm yeah.. but even if Cox were still at Red Hat, what would that dispute have to do with the company?
[1:24] <triplez> oh and i just encountered another problem... disk utility sucks!
[1:24] <triplez> i had 1 fat32 partition on this hdd... and a bunch of free space
[1:25] <elfgoh> ruiwen: I was assuming that Cox was employed by Red Hat to contribute to the kernel
[1:25] <triplez> disk utility doesn't allow me to partition it.... had to fall back to win7 on fusion to do it
[1:25] <elfgoh> unverified assumption though I think it shouldn't be far off
[1:25] <ruiwen> triplez: wha..? you used win 7 on fusion to partition your host hdd?
[1:26] <triplez> yes
[1:26] <triplez> stupid isn't it?
[1:26] <triplez> not host hdd... external hdd
[1:26] <triplez> backing up stuff
[1:26] <ruiwen> triplez: ah okie heh.. it would've been pretty amazing if you managed to do that on your host without hosing it
[1:27] <triplez> oh and i can't seem to CUT from finder
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[1:27] <ruiwen> elfgoh: hm assumption is probably true.. but my view was that this dispute looks more like a personal dispute between Cox and Linus and not something that the company would be involved in
[1:27] <ruiwen> triplez: yeah there is no cut
[1:28] <icedwater> Gah, back on IRC.
[1:28] <ruiwen> triplez: only copy
[1:28] <icedwater> My server's LAN cable got unplugged 2 days ago.
[1:28] <triplez> *screams*
[1:28] <icedwater> =P
[1:28] <ruiwen> triplez: if you wanna move stuff, drag, and drop while holding Cmd
[1:28] <triplez> i know
[1:28] <icedwater> Anyone got PS3 games to supply?
[1:28] <elfgoh> ruiwen: consider the situation where Red Hat's customer want feature X in the kernel, where Cox is working on feature X.
[1:28] <triplez> hi icedwater ~~~
[1:28] <ruiwen> triplez: heh ok =P
[1:29] <ruiwen> elfgoh: hm i doubt Red Hat's customer's get to influence what goes into the mainline kernel though.. if anything at all it'll probably be RHEL specific patches, which probably wouldn't involve Linus
[1:29] <icedwater> Anyone has a good Youtube playlist to recommend?
[1:30] <elfgoh> ruiwen: I thought I heard Jim said that in last year's IDA talk, unless I am mistaken
[1:31] <ruiwen> elfgoh: that was the AMPQ system yes?
[1:31] <ruiwen> elfgoh: the message passing thing
[1:31] <elfgoh> ruiwen: yea i think so, can't recall
[1:33] <ruiwen> elfgoh: though it seemed that by that stage of inclusion, that entire system had already been put through its paces of being community (external to Red Hat) tested/accepted before making it into the mainline kernel
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[1:35] <ruiwen> elfgoh: probably need to qualify my earlier statement in that customer specific requests probably start as RHEL-specific patches, then are slowly released to the community for review and what not, and only then into the mainline, and not contributed directly to mainline
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[1:39] <elfgoh> hey triplez where's your namesake?
[1:39] <elfgoh> Ask him to come hang out here too :)
[1:39] <triplez> namesake?
[1:39] <triplez> oh
[1:39] <triplez> hahahha
[1:39] <triplez> nah... he doesn't irc
[1:39] <triplez> i can ask
[1:44] <elfgoh> :)
[1:46] <ruiwen> have you guys seen this video interview with Jim Whitehurst? http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1199717377&play=1
[1:49] <elfgoh> nope let me take a look
[1:52] <triplez> gah
[1:52] <triplez> zii egg has only 1.3mp camera... throw it down the drain
[2:01] <elfgoh> bah my connection is ssslllowww
[2:01] <elfgoh> the cnbc video take eosn to load
[2:01] <ruiwen> yeah.. it took a while here too
[2:02] <ruiwen> had to let it buffer a bit
[2:03] <icedwater> Any idea how to make wine play properly with my nVidia drivers?
[2:03] <elfgoh> icedwater: play what?
[2:03] <elfgoh> icedwater: i use playonlinux
[2:03] <icedwater> Heh, W3
[2:03] <elfgoh> w3 is?
[2:03] <icedwater> WC3 rather.
[2:04] <ruiwen> (aside) would really like to hear what Jim Whitehurst has to say to SG Govt's seeming reluctance to look at open source
[2:04] <ruiwen> war craft?
[2:04] <elfgoh> icedwater: I use playonlinux for WC3 in office, using nvidia with no problems
[2:04] <icedwater> Yep, testing with Compiz :P
[2:05] <icedwater> Didn't work fine with Metacity earlier...
[2:05] <elfgoh> icedwater: you should off compiz
[2:05] <elfgoh> oh
[2:05] <elfgoh> metacity works fine on my office pc
[2:05] <icedwater> Shitty also. I'll see if PlayonLinux is any better.
[2:05] <elfgoh> icedwater: if compiz is on, there is a slight dent in performance, and you might trigger some effects by accident :p
[2:05] <icedwater> I would have to reinstall WC3 I guess?
[2:05] <icedwater> Heh, yeah.
[2:06] <elfgoh> yeap
[2:06] <elfgoh> just rm -rf ~/,wine
[2:06] <icedwater> True that.
[2:07] <icedwater> This screenshot is tempting though :D
[2:07] <icedwater> http://lancraft.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-to-install-warcraft-3-on.html
[2:09] <elfgoh> Time for bed~
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[2:12] <icedwater> elfgoh left... bah.
[2:12] <icedwater> I was going to ask why playonlinux is on an unverifiable repo.
[2:12] <icedwater> No key leh.
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[2:34] <ruiwen> triplez: icedwater: collecting questions from #fedora and #rhel for the podcast tomorrow =)
[2:36] <icedwater> Nice.
[2:37] <icedwater> Anything so far?
[2:37] <ruiwen> icedwater: triplez: shall we meet at 330pm at Raffles Place MRT station control?
[2:37] <ruiwen> i'll probably bring my camera too
[2:38] <icedwater> Hm, sounds good. Although I would think Fullerton is somewhere in between there and City Hall, no? Bit tricky to walk from either place. Well, just annoying. :)
[2:38] <ruiwen> icedwater: What are Red Hat's core business principles and how do they work with or against the community they depend on? (inode0, #rhel)
[2:38] <ruiwen> icedwater: Does Red Hat see Fedora as a thread to its business model? (LinuxCode, #rhel)
[2:39] <ruiwen> icedwater: Personally, where do you (Jim) think the FOSS community will go in terms of new technology/feature development? (LinuxCode, #rhel)
[2:39] <ruiwen> um.. s/thread/threat/
[2:40] <ruiwen> not much response from #fedora though
[2:43] <icedwater> Good stuff... looks like we can get more listeners for the #linuxnus podcast.
[2:44] <icedwater> I wonder if we could get any interesting events while I'm in Germany that we could podcast about.
[2:44] <ruiwen> ah the Chaos Concentration Camp?
[2:44] <ruiwen> i only remember the initials CCC
[2:45] <icedwater> Hmm, doesn't sound auspicious.
[2:46] <jmarki> http://www.centos.org/
[2:46] <jmarki> centos head dev went missing
[2:46] <jmarki> burning news for jim!
[2:46] <icedwater> Hm.
[2:47] <icedwater> Why is that?
[2:47] <jmarki> /. conspiracy... RH kidnaps Lance. whahahahah
[2:48] <ruiwen> why would they do that?
[2:48] <ruiwen> but good question
[2:48] <ruiwen> shall ask if they see CentOS as a threat
[2:48] <jmarki> or maybe something less lame, like how would a project like Centos going into limbo affects RH
[2:49] <ruiwen> hm not much i guess?
[2:49] <jmarki> nope. centos creates mindshare
[2:49] <ruiwen> does it really?
[2:49] <ruiwen> people who use centos most likely know about redhat i figure
[2:50] <ruiwen> just that they don't want to pay for support?
[2:50] <jmarki> yes. RH is not interested in ppl who buys one or two copies of RH license
[2:50] <ruiwen> it's a support subscription, not a license, no?
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[2:50] <jmarki> but centos creates a base of servers/ppl who are very familiar with working with RHEL
[2:51] <ruiwen> if you say centos users as some stage convert to buying a RHEL subscription, then yes, CentOS does benefit RH
[2:51] <ruiwen> s/as/at/
[2:51] <icedwater> I am still not sure why he would be concerned with CentOS, though, unless he knows the guy personally (which he should) ...
[2:51] <jmarki> so increasing the base of RHEL equivalent systems in the market, and RHEL trained developers and sysmins
[2:52] <jmarki> and when these servers become impt enough to require paid support, RH is there
[2:53] <jmarki> or when the developers or sysmins go to another company which use RHEL, there is little learning curve
[2:53] <ruiwen> in that case, yes, since those are a source of conversions
[2:53] <icedwater> But it's not necessary for CentOS users to switch to RHEL in the first place.
[2:53] <jmarki> icedwater: depends. i would use RHEL for critical production systems, and centos for development/testing systems
[2:54] <ruiwen> it's not necessary, but it using CentOS does facilitate the change should it need to occur
[2:54] <icedwater> jmarki: Why?
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[2:55] <jmarki> icedwater: i can hack away all i want with centos, it won't kill my production infrastructure
[2:55] <icedwater> Is it 100% compatible?
[2:55] <icedwater> Are the distributed libraries, etc exactly the same?
[2:56] <jmarki> but using RHEL provides some assurance to the higher ups that there is a support line for critical production systems
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[2:56] <jmarki> yah. centos is the rhel source recompiled, without the words redhat
[2:58] <ruiwen> jmarki: any questions you wanna pose to Jim?
[2:59] <jmarki> also, software vendors test their wares on a few enterprise grade distros, primarily rhel. so if that software doesn't work on rhel, we can scream bloody hell to the software vendor. =)
[3:00] <jmarki> ruiwen: not really. just curious what is his personal take on the disapperance of Lance. =p
[3:00] <ruiwen> jmarki: um okie heh
[3:00] <icedwater> Would be interesting to ask, actually. :)
[3:00] <ruiwen> jmarki: pretty sure he's not going to say "Yeah, we took him. What about it?"
[3:01] <icedwater> Brb
[3:01] <jmarki> "wow! cool! you sequestered him with your devs on a retreat somewhere??" =D
[3:02] <jmarki> other things you might want to ask:
[3:02] <jmarki> how is rh reaching out to the younger generation in asia
[3:03] <jmarki> esp since they don't have an academic license for campuses in asia, so many schools are using ms-exclusive technologies
[3:04] <jmarki> in fact, the street price for a yearly RHEL license is more than a one time Win2008 license
[3:05] <ruiwen> jmarki: they have academic licenses for campuses outside asia?
[3:05] <jmarki> only in US
[3:08] <ruiwen> ic
[3:08] <ruiwen> good question to ask
[3:09] <icedwater> True.
[3:10] <ruiwen> would really love to hear RH have plans for academic licensing
[3:10] <ruiwen> schools/students really do seem a little too tied to MS
[3:10] <jmarki> ruiwen: afaik, there are plans, but i'm not at liberty to disclose them
[3:11] <ruiwen> just found some quotes (2001 - Steve Ballmer) Linux is a "cancer", (2009 - Linus Torvalds) Microsoft hatred is a disease
[3:11] <ruiwen> jmarki: well good to hear
[3:12] <ruiwen> i'll just push a little on the topic of govt/public sector FOSS adoption tomorrow to see what he says
[3:12] <jmarki> do note that it's an iDA sponsored event... =D
[3:13] <ruiwen> heh yeah?
[3:13] <ruiwen> so?
[3:14] <icedwater> ruiwen: You're hosting the event at 7 right?
[3:14] <ruiwen> yes
[3:14] <jmarki> iDA's official stance is "we let the market decide on technology"
[3:14] <jmarki> unofficially, ms is a big market
[3:14] <jmarki> =D
[3:15] <ruiwen> well i'm not going to question iDA outright
[3:16] <icedwater> MS isn't a big market ... it's a big player but not a big market :P
[3:16] <ruiwen> just going to ask him to talk about the benefits for govt/public/education sector to adopt FOSS, if he hasn't already by then
[3:17] <jmarki> ms is a marketplace! whahahah
[3:18] <jmarki> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-is-up-with-centos-project.html
[3:19] <jmarki> this reminds me of the solaris blastwave/opencsw repository split...
[3:20] <ruiwen> what about it?
[3:21] <jmarki> personality differences between the 2 leads/founders, financial disputes, disputes over management, blah blah blah
[3:22] <jmarki> accumulating to a lock out of everything/everyone initiated by one, pissing off the other to fork the whole project
[3:23] <jmarki> and public name calling all over the blogsphere, commentaries. O.O
[3:26] <ruiwen> sounds messy =P
[3:27] <jmarki> yeah...
[3:27] * jmarki gets some popcorn, jic
[3:28] <icedwater> Argh
[3:29] <icedwater> Any reason why scp is complaining about Permission denied (publickey, password) even though my source and destination filenames are correct, and the password has been entered correctly?
[3:29] <jmarki> scp -v blah blah
[3:30] <jmarki> it can be a pam ssh issue, or a authorized file issue
[3:30] <jmarki> or an sshd_config issue
[3:30] <icedwater> Hmm, debug1: read_passphrase: can't open /dev/tty: No such device or address
[3:31] <icedwater> That seems to be the problem.
[3:31] <jmarki> O.o
[3:31] <jmarki> what's the permissions for /dev/tty?!
[3:31] <icedwater> That's weird.
[3:31] <icedwater> I've done scps before.
[3:31] <icedwater> Similar errors, but after some tinkering with the command line the transfer went through... not sure what the difference is.
[3:31] <jmarki> ls -al /dev/tty
[3:31] <jmarki> crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 0 2009-07-31 08:51 /dev/tty
[3:32] <icedwater> Yeah same here.
[3:32] <jmarki> what was the original command?
[3:32] <icedwater> Except you have a funky time zone.
[3:32] <icedwater> For downloading from remote:
[3:33] <jmarki> yeah.... i wonder why.... =/
[3:33] <icedwater> scp remote:$PATH local:$PATH
[3:33] <icedwater> I didn't mix up the order, right?
[3:34] <jmarki> local -> remote
[3:34] <ruiwen> scp source dest
[3:34] <icedwater> No wait
[3:34] <ruiwen> local or remote depends on which way you're going
[3:34] <jmarki> scp -v user@local:/path/to/source/ user@remote:/path/to/dest/
[3:35] <ruiwen> you don't need the user@host for local do you?
[3:35] <jmarki> scp -v user@source:/path/to/source/ user@remote:/path/to/dest/
[3:35] <icedwater> OK
[3:35] <jmarki> ruiwen: don't need. but clearer to put
[3:35] <icedwater> Weird that it should throw up permissions errors or no such device errors...
[3:36] <jmarki> did u get the
[3:36] <jmarki> '/' correctly?
[3:36] <jmarki> and ur order should be source->remote
[3:36] <icedwater> I'm downloading from a remote server... to localhost.
[3:37] <icedwater> So source = remote
[3:37] <jmarki> scp -v user@server:/path/to/source/ /path/to/dest/
[3:37] <icedwater> And I don't need to end the source path with a / because it's a single file, right?
[3:38] <jmarki> yah
[3:38] <icedwater> Oh gah, let me check the path again.
[3:38] <icedwater> But still, the /dev/tty thing should exist what
[3:39] <jmarki> pastebin pastebin
[3:40] * jmarki 's email migration script just segfaulted
[3:40] <jmarki> O.o
[3:41] <ruiwen> a _script_ segfaulted?
[3:41] <icedwater> Ok, screw it, it works.
[3:41] <jmarki> ./email-migration-larch-zhijiang: line 25: 6883 Segmentation fault
[3:41] <jmarki> larch is a ruby package
[3:44] <icedwater> Which does something nasty in line 25?
[3:45] <jmarki> don't know... but the timing, it could be caused by my mail server restarting for backups
[3:45] <jmarki> =D
[3:46] <jmarki> TODAY IS SYSADMIN DAY!!! http://www.sysadminday.com/
[3:47] <dqminh> :o nice picture
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[4:05] <icedwater> dqminh: what's the name of that app you use on the bottom panel that displays the icons? Or was it the top :P
[4:06] <dqminh> icedwater, Gnome-Do ?
[4:06] <icedwater> Huh, seriously? How do you display icons on ... let me see those settings :P
[4:06] <dqminh> there's a Docky view
[4:07] <icedwater> I guess that would be a separate plugin which Ubuntu's deb bundles but not Debian's :P
[4:08] <dqminh> I switched back to normal panel already
[4:09] <icedwater> Heh, OK. How come?
[4:09] <icedwater> Not useful ah :P
[4:10] <dqminh> yah
[4:11] <dqminh> looks nice , but normal gnome-do + normal panel did the jobs for me :p
[4:12] <icedwater> Heh, I want to see if it works for me. :P
[4:13] <icedwater> Also, does anyone here mount ntfs partitions in /etc/fstab?
[4:28] <jmarki> icedwater: u sure it's safe?
[4:39] <icedwater> I think it should be fine ... why not?
[4:39] <icedwater> They're umounted on shutdown right?
[4:39] <jmarki> the ntfs drier is reverse engineered
[4:39] <jmarki> s/drier/driver/
[4:39] <icedwater> Only worry I guess is that it will screw up my data on the Vista partitions.
[4:40] <jmarki> yes... that's why the kernel ntfs driver is always recommended to be used as readonly
[4:40] <icedwater> I was considering trashing the Vista stuff and making an 8GB partition for XP ...
[4:41] <jmarki> the new ntfs-3g is better, but to play safe it will also mark the partitions as dirty, so windows will do a scandisk on boot
[4:48] <jmarki> yawnz
[4:48] <jmarki> sleep
[4:49] <jmarki> hopefully tomolo will be a better day
[4:49] <jmarki> nightz all
[5:50] <icedwater> OK, system uptime is too long, need to go down for maintenance .. not slept since an afternoon nap before IPPT today.
[5:50] <icedwater> Ciao :)
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[10:03] <elfgoh_I> ohaiyo!
[10:13] <JeremiahViztree> yoz
[10:15] <elfgoh_I> oh hello JeremiahViztree
[10:15] <elfgoh_I> did triplez drag you in here? ;)
[10:16] <JeremiahViztree> elfgoh_I: yea
[10:20] <elfgoh_I> today got company buffett dinner.... yesterday boss ask us to stop eating after dinner xD
[10:20] <JeremiahViztree> ha
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[10:46] <ruiwen> triplez: how do i use the H4? =P
[10:46] <triplez> ??
[10:46] <triplez> just plug in the usb into your laptop
[10:46] <triplez> it will turn on
[10:47] <triplez> and select audio i/o
[10:47] <triplez> there's a jog at the right side
[10:50] <ruiwen> hm ok
[10:50] <triplez> yeah...
[10:50] <triplez> if you wanna use the SD card... you have to put in batteries
[10:50] <ruiwen> ah.. i don't have batteries..
[10:51] <ruiwen> no go on usb for card?
[10:51] <triplez> i think you can do that too... but why?
[10:51] <triplez> you can directly record to your laptop anyway
[10:52] <triplez> there are batteries in the case
[10:54] <icedwater> Hello! :)
[10:56] <ruiwen> triplez: grr.. can't get audio in.. afraid something might be wrong with my audio cable
[10:56] <ruiwen> anyone have a spare?
[10:56] <triplez> worse to worse we can use audacity
[10:56] <triplez> or garageband
[10:57] <ruiwen> hm yeah i guess
[10:57] <ruiwen> or built-in mike
[10:58] <triplez> lol... the built in mike is awesome... trust me
[10:58] <ruiwen> yup it is
[10:58] <triplez> it's the best in the market
[10:58] <ruiwen> our first episode was recorded using the built-in
[10:59] <triplez> hee
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[11:01] <triplez> ok... ttyl... reinstalling leopard
[11:01] <triplez> should i do SL or just L? :P
[11:03] <icedwater> 3.30 at Raffles Place MRT right?
[11:03] <ruiwen> yep
[11:03] <icedwater> OK, notifying *** :P
[11:03] <ruiwen> triplez: grr.. can't get it to work
[11:03] <triplez> ok
[11:03] <triplez> quick
[11:03] <triplez> tell me guys... SL or just L?
[11:03] <ruiwen> triplez: will try one last time later before we go live.. otherwise will have to fall back on alternatives
[11:03] <ruiwen> SL!
[11:03] <triplez> seriously?
[11:04] <triplez> hmm ok i'll do SL then
[11:04] <triplez> a few things doesn't work with SL though
[11:04] <icedwater> What's SL or L?
[11:04] <elfgoh> ruiwen: I told you you should have tested yesterday!
[11:05] <elfgoh> *whines* :p
[11:05] <triplez> nah i think i'll do L first... just in case you guys need my laptop to record
[11:05] <triplez> don't worry elfgoh... i tested with my laptop
[11:05] <triplez> i know it works
[11:05] <triplez> ttyl!
[11:05] <elfgoh> kk
[11:05] <eugene> ruiwen: hey
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[11:05] <ruiwen> elfgoh: i would've, had i not been half conscious by the time i finished researching for the interview =P
[11:06] <eugene> triplez: you have SL?
[11:06] <eugene> ruiwen: what time are we meeting, where
[11:06] <elfgoh> ruiwen: i meant at holland V yesterday
[11:06] <ruiwen> anyway if anyone has a spare and working audio cable, it would be much be appreciated if you could bring it later
[11:06] <ruiwen> elfgoh: oh
[11:06] <ruiwen> elfgoh: heh oops. but no audio cable yesterday
[11:06] <ruiwen> eugene: 330pm Raffles Place station control?
[11:06] * elfgoh beats ruiwen
[11:07] <eugene> ruiwen: ok
[11:07] <eugene> ruiwen: dress code
[11:07] <elfgoh> eugene: http://www.retailmenot.com/view/godaddy.com
[11:07] <elfgoh> eh
[11:08] <elfgoh> oops
[11:08] <elfgoh> hmm the godaddy coupons disappeared..
[11:08] <ruiwen> eugene: smart casual i guess?
[11:08] <elfgoh> oh i think they are still there
[11:08] <icedwater> I could probably dig up an audio cable, but I've had nothing I could test it with.
[11:08] <ruiwen> eugene: i'll be shirt+jeans
[11:08] <elfgoh> eugene: Code:boy30Discount:$7.49 .com domains
[11:08] <ruiwen> icedwater: hm just bring? we can test at venue hopefully
[11:08] <eugene> hey thanks guys
[11:08] <icedwater> I'm going with linuxnus t-shirt and jeans :P
[11:08] <eugene> ruiwen: hey, pm you some questions
[11:09] <eugene> can i wear google t-shirt?
[11:09] <elfgoh> icedwater: hmm will Jim be techie enough to realise it for wt it is?
[11:09] <eugene> haha i don't have a decent shirt to wear.
[11:09] <elfgoh> eugene: surely you have a lot of those security shirts?
[11:09] <eugene> security shirts hmm.. i don't have :(
[11:09] <eugene> ah ! I have one. let me find
[11:10] <ruiwen> elfgoh: jim started as a programmer, one of the reasons he stood out as a candidate to take over Matthew Szulik for the job
[11:10] <elfgoh> eugene: was just a suggestion. ;)
[11:10] <elfgoh> well either that or just a any shirt
[11:11] <elfgoh> I think not microsoft can liao :p
[11:12] <elfgoh> except for jarvis goh i guess
[11:12] <eugene> elfgoh: hope he won't notice i am his subordinate ;p
[11:12] <icedwater> elfgoh: Heh, why not?
[11:13] <elfgoh> eugene: you have a prominent height you know?
[11:13] <eugene> elfgoh: hehe
[11:14] <eugene> ruiwen: ok, i have given you more questions than I think we have time to cover ;p select the good ones.
[11:14] <eugene> ruiwen: so we recording just the voice?
[11:14] <elfgoh> eugene: wait. Jasmine Ee will be there
[11:15] <eugene> elfgoh: jas? ok
[11:15] <elfgoh> So..... your cover will be blown i guess :p
[11:15] <eugene> hehe
[11:21] <ruiwen> eugene: yes, the plan is voice only, so far
[11:21] <eugene> elfgoh: so i bought the domain name already
[11:21] <ruiwen> which domain
[11:21] <elfgoh> eugene: well it's for future reference
[11:21] <eugene> ruiwen: domain for personal homepage
[11:21] <ruiwen> ah ok
[11:21] <eugene> elfgoh: what reference
[11:21] <eugene> elfgoh: oh ok
[11:21] <eugene> elfgoh: yeah, when i need to renew
[11:21] <elfgoh> eugene: yeaps
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[12:24] <elfgoh> ruiwen: how exactly did you use godaddy to managed our email addresses last time?
[12:24] <elfgoh> now using google apps right?
[12:24] <elfgoh> i meant coreteam@linuxnu
[12:25] <ruiwen> elfgoh: previously was just email forwarding
[12:25] <elfgoh> using godaddy?
[12:25] <ruiwen> elfgoh: yup
[12:26] <ruiwen> elfgoh: the control panel allows up to 100 addresses to be forwarded
[12:27] <elfgoh> ruiwen: ok thanks.
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[12:37] <triplez> hey
[12:37] <triplez> what's everyone gonna wear?
[12:37] <triplez> jeans and t-shirt?
[12:38] <JeremiahViztree> wats going on triplez
[12:38] <elfgoh> triplez: idk but just look smart casual
[12:38] <ruiwen> triplez: i'm in jeans and shirt
[12:38] <triplez> smart casual means... shirt then?
[12:38] <triplez> long sleves?
[12:38] <triplez> sleeves?
[12:38] <ruiwen> rolled up though
[12:38] <triplez> ok.. i'll do that then
[12:38] <triplez> jeans and t
[12:38] <triplez> i mean shirt
[12:38] <triplez> it's a friday!
[12:38] <icedwater> Yup
[12:39] <elfgoh> JeremiahViztree: ruiwen, triplez, eugene. dqminh and icedwater are doing a podcast with red hat ceo today
[12:39] <JeremiahViztree> hmm im lost
[12:39] <triplez> 5 people? wow... that's wayy too many people
[12:39] <JeremiahViztree> woooooooo
[12:39] <triplez> 1 person 1 question?
[12:39] <dqminh> will dwu come :p ?
[12:39] <triplez> ruiwen: did you print out the questions?
[12:39] <ruiwen> triplez: i haven't
[12:39] <ruiwen> triplez: can you?
[12:40] <triplez> don't have a printer here
[12:40] <ruiwen> ah ok
[12:40] <JeremiahViztree> is it a video potcast?
[12:40] <icedwater> JeremiahViztree: nope, it will be audio only, I think.
[12:40] <elfgoh> JeremiahViztree: I think we don't have the video equip
[12:40] <triplez> nah... no $$ to do a video... :P
[12:40] <JeremiahViztree> awwww
[12:40] <icedwater> We could set it as the background for some stills :P
[12:40] <triplez> btw... decided to install SL instead
[12:40] <eugene> triplez: are you justin from my batch?
[12:41] <triplez> eugene... how old are you?
[12:41] <eugene> triplez: do you know me?
[12:41] <eugene> triplez: if you don't know, that means you are not the justin i know ;p
[12:41] <triplez> i know many eugenes
[12:41] <icedwater> /whois eugene
[12:41] <triplez> yeha probably not
[12:41] <triplez> the world isn't that small
[12:41] <triplez> :P
[12:41] <eugene> triplez: which year did you enter soc
[12:41] <icedwater> Ohwell, whois doesn't help :D
[12:42] <triplez> errr... let's see... back in 2001 or 2002 if i'm not wrong
[12:42] <eugene> triplez: blondie?
[12:42] <triplez> HAHHAHAHA... no
[12:42] <triplez> not anymore rather
[12:42] <eugene> triplez: then different justin i guess ;p
[12:42] <eugene> triplez: ohhh then you lah
[12:42] <triplez> huh?? i don't think so
[12:42] <eugene> triplez: nvm
[12:42] <eugene> back to work
[12:42] <triplez> ok
[12:43] <elfgoh> wow looks like the podcast team is really excited
[12:43] <elfgoh> eugene: does wade know about our podcast?
[12:43] <triplez> thank goodness i asked
[12:43] <triplez> what to wear
[12:43] <triplez> else i'll wear shorts and t-shirt
[12:43] <eugene> elfgoh: not sure.
[12:44] <elfgoh> hmmm should i just let him know as a fyi kinda thing?
[12:44] <eugene> elfgoh: let me ask him
[12:44] <elfgoh> ok
[12:44] <eugene> elfgoh: yeah, probably good to let him know
[12:44] <icedwater> elfgoh: Been meaning to ask you, how did you get playonlinux?
[12:44] <eugene> elfgoh: otherwise he don't ask me out for lunch anymore
[12:44] <elfgoh> eugene: haha
[12:44] <icedwater> The repos aren't signed ... how to get the GPG key?
[12:45] <elfgoh> icedwater: let me see
[12:47] <elfgoh> icedwater: they used to have instructions for the key on their download page i believe
[12:48] <elfgoh> either that or no key was required previously
[12:49] <elfgoh> icedwater: anyway i don't seem to have a key for playonlinux
[12:50] <triplez> jmarki: happy sys admin day!
[12:50] <icedwater> elfgoh: Ubuntu?
[12:50] <elfgoh> icedwater: yeap this system is ubuntu
[12:50] <eugene> elfgoh: inviting wade in
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[12:51] <elfgoh> wmealing_: hello, are you going to join the podcast team in grilling Jim later? :D
[12:51] <ruiwen_> podcasters, if anyone can print the questions to bring later that would be godo
[12:51] <ruiwen_> *good
[12:52] <icedwater> How about I write them down?
[12:52] <elfgoh> ruiwen: i can print in my office and pass you later?
[12:52] <ruiwen_> that works too =)
[12:52] <elfgoh> Send me the final list?
[12:52] <ruiwen_> elfgoh: can also, thanks thanks
[12:52] <ruiwen_> elfgoh: can i send you a few more?
[12:52] <icedwater> Yup, is it the one in the email?
[12:52] <wmealing_> elfgoh, no thanks.. i'm fine.
[12:52] <icedwater> Maybe just throw into etherpad or something
[12:53] <icedwater> I'll just check it till about 2.45
[12:53] <icedwater> Or 2.30
[12:53] <elfgoh> ruiwen_: make my life easier and give me everything in one list
[12:53] <elfgoh> I think there are probably lotsa additions....
[12:53] <ruiwen_> ah
[12:53] <ruiwen_> slightly rushing to make sph
[12:53] <elfgoh> The last mail i had from podcast was quite a few days ago
[12:53] <ruiwen_> can you grab those fro the last email i sent to that thread that added eugene?
[12:53] <elfgoh> ok
[12:53] <ruiwen_> then add the single file that i'm about to send you
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[12:54] <elfgoh> alrite
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[12:55] <ruiwen_> elfgoh: ok have sent text file to you in the thread
[12:55] <ruiwen_> thanks again
[12:55] <ruiwen_> gotta run
[12:55] <ruiwen_> cya you guys later
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[12:55] <icedwater> OK
[12:58] <icedwater> elfgoh: So you're covering the questions?
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[13:04] <elfgoh> icedwater: i am printing n passing to ruiwen
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[13:08] <icedwater> OK
[13:09] <icedwater> elfgoh: Anyway, I'm unable to install playonlinux :) Doesn't matter.
[13:10] <elfgoh> icedwater: well you ask for help in the forums for playonlinux i guess
[13:12] <triplez> *stares at his blue mvp shirt*
[13:12] <triplez> should i wear that?
[13:13] <elfgoh> triplez: i have no idea
[13:13] <triplez> nah... i'll wear a normal white shirt
[13:13] <elfgoh> maybe eugene can advise better... as to whether his boss will feel offended :p
[13:13] <triplez> lol
[13:14] <triplez> white shirt should be neutral enough right?
[13:14] <elfgoh> triplez: or you can wear it and intro yourself as Jarvis Goh
[13:14] <triplez> LOL
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[13:16] <icedwater> MS shirt with a windows logo should be safe, it has red for red hat and blue for fedora ... green for openSUSE and yellow for ... MS :P
[13:18] <triplez> lol... white... for peace
[13:18] <triplez> i come in peace
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[13:29] <wmealing_> http://www.dchieng.com/crunchpad-specs-revealed/
[13:31] <elfgoh> wmealing_: hoot!
[13:32] <wmealing_> apparently this is the "OS less" crunchpad
[13:32] <wmealing_> this will be.. interesting
[13:32] <elfgoh> Software: Webkit browser/operating system, developed by the Fusion Garage team
[13:32] <elfgoh> wow interesting... they wrote their own browser
[13:32] <wmealing_> i dont think that is really writing your own browser
[13:32] <wmealing_> not .. really
[13:33] <wmealing_> in that case i can write a browser in 40 minutes
[13:33] <wmealing_> actually i did it in 3 minutes vs joshua wulf
[13:33] <wmealing_> in C#
[13:33] <elfgoh> wmealing_: haha
[13:33] <wmealing_> (wrapped libmozembed in C#)
[13:33] <elfgoh> wmealing_: I am under the impression that the browser is a totally new one
[13:33] <wmealing_> its uing webkit
[13:34] <wmealing_> slap on some menus, some preferences
[13:34] <wmealing_> new browser !
[13:34] <wmealing_> it'll still act just like webkit will render.
[13:34] <elfgoh> heh ok
[13:35] <wmealing_> safari/chrome
[13:40] <eugene> wmealing_: i can't wait to find 0days on it
[13:42] <elfgoh> !twitter Singapore's cloud computing touchscreen tablet: http://www.dchieng.com/crunchpad-specs-revealed/
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[13:59] <cyberjames> centos linux project in trouble
[13:59] <wmealing_> old news.
[13:59] <wmealing_> but hardly trouble
[13:59] <wmealing_> the guy with the dns keys is missing, who is the same guy who runs the adwords
[14:00] <wmealing_> so, simple solution
[14:00] <wmealing_> start www.centosproject.org
[14:00] <wmealing_> copy the data from the webserver there
[14:00] <wmealing_> put a http redirect
[14:00] <wmealing_> start your own adwords/dontation bin
[14:03] <eugene> cyberjames: stale news..
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[15:11] <triplez> harlow
[15:17] <hyperair> hello
[15:24] <wmealing_> wb
[15:24] <wmealing_> so, how did the interview go
[15:28] <triplez> lol... haven't started
[15:28] <triplez> still waiting for the rest
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[15:41] <elfgoh> triplez: just pop ruiwen's hp to u
[15:41] <triplez> got it
[15:41] <triplez> how did the interview go?
[15:42] <elfgoh> longgggg
[15:42] <triplez> lol
[15:42] <triplez> was it good?
[15:43] <iced-phone> Who else is supposed to be here now??
[15:44] <triplez> hey icedwater
[15:44] <triplez> come over to tcc
[15:44] <elfgoh> iced-phone: triplez and you i think
[15:44] <triplez> i'm over there
[15:44] <triplez> i'm paying the bill now
[15:44] <triplez> it's at the raffles xchange shopping place
[15:45] * iced-phone grumbles about cab fare.
[15:46] <triplez> is icedwater coming to tcc?
[15:47] <triplez> iced-phone: my number is 98433861 if you need to call me
[15:47] <triplez> cyaz
[15:47] <triplez> going to hunt for him
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[15:58] <iced-phone> Four of us here at Fullerton now. ;)
[15:59] <elfgoh> iced-phone: have a great podcast!
[15:59] <elfgoh> WHich 4?
[15:59] <iced-phone> ruiwen, dqminh, triplez and me :)
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[16:49] <elfgoh> !twitter Critical update for flash player on all platforms: http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb09-10.html
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[17:00] <iced-phone> Winding down :)
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[22:05] <triplez> hey there
[22:09] <triplez> anyone around?
[22:10] <ziyong> yws
[22:14] <triplez> lol
[22:18] <ziyong> hehe
[22:18] <ziyong> either u have no life or still in office: :p
[22:18] <ziyong> on a friday night haha
[22:18] <ziyong> to be on irc
[22:20] <triplez> who me?
[22:21] <triplez> you mean YOU...?
[22:21] <ziyong> hahaha
[22:21] <triplez> i just came back from infocomm live!
[22:21] <ziyong> how was it
[22:21] <ziyong> there is a lot of event today
[22:21] <ziyong> there is also MDA iJam CFC - FutureMobile
[22:22] <ziyong> oh the redhat ceo tlak
[22:22] <triplez> yeah
[22:22] <triplez> the ceo talk
[22:22] <triplez> he's a nice guy
[22:23] <ziyong> guess u got inspired?
[22:25] <jamestyj> triplez: hey
[22:25] <jamestyj> how was the interview with the dude
[22:25] <triplez> it was great
[22:26] <triplez> wait for the release soon... ruiwen is doing the post production
[22:29] <jamestyj> nice
[22:33] <triplez> yeah it was nicely done
[22:34] <jamestyj> cool, looking forward to that
[22:36] <triplez> alrighty... sent out so many emails
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[22:53] <icedwater> I'm home! :D
[22:53] <icedwater> How was the Infocomm Live event?
[22:54] * icedwater is working on the transcript for the podcast now.
[22:54] <icedwater> My recorder wasn't as low-quality as I expected, either :P
[22:56] <jarick> !
[22:57] <icedwater> ?
[22:59] <elfgoh_I> arrrgghhh i hate to miss the podcast but well company dinner was a blast too :p
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[23:01] <icedwater> :)
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[23:11] <elfgoh_I> @podcast team: please consider a shoutout for our irc channel ;)
[23:11] <ruiwen> hm? in the podcast?
[23:12] <elfgoh_I> yeap
[23:12] <ruiwen> ok
[23:24] <ruiwen> elfgoh_I: possible to have linuxnus.org/irc be embedded instead of going offsite?
[23:24] <ruiwen> brb
[23:29] <elfgoh_I> ruiwen: possible but i think the colour and fonts doesn't blend with linuxnus.org
[23:30] <elfgoh_I> could install and host the webirc but i think too much effort in the long run.
[23:30] <ruiwen> or at least make it appear in a new tab?
[23:31] <elfgoh_I> ruiwen yea the link can be edited easily i think. let me work on it when i am home
[23:31] <ruiwen> ok
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