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[0:00] <patrickh1ller> ;)
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[0:00] <triplez> hi elfgoh~~~
[0:00] <ruiwen> hello elfgoh
[0:00] <elfgoh> hihi
[0:01] <triplez> how was gaming?
[0:01] <elfgoh> let me get a shower 1st :p
[0:02] <triplez> ruiwen: did you go to barcamp singapore 3?
[0:03] <triplez> ok... this is scary... who is mike ang?
[0:03] <ruiwen> triplez: yep
[0:03] <triplez> and why is he adding me on facebook...
[0:03] <ruiwen> dunno.. who's mike ang?
[0:04] <triplez> http://www.facebook.com/mike.ang?__a=1
[0:04] <triplez> ruiwen: who was mainly involved?
[0:05] <triplez> or what kind of people were involved
[0:05] <ruiwen> triplez: in organising?
[0:05] <triplez> that, and people there
[0:05] <ruiwen> triplez: one of the main organisers was this guy called preetam rai i believe
[0:05] <triplez> the type of people there
[0:05] <ruiwen> triplez: mainly techies
[0:05] <triplez> okie
[0:05] <ruiwen> triplez: from the people i recognised on the ground
[0:06] <triplez> cool... what kind of topics were happening?
[0:06] <triplez> was it very discussion based... or just sit and listen 1 person talk
[0:07] <ruiwen> ah it was pretty dispersed.. different talks going on throughout the place..
[0:07] <ruiwen> people strolling about, chatting
[0:07] <triplez> ooo... sweet
[0:07] <triplez> damn my fusion just died
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[0:09] <elfgoh> triplez: most were techie topics
[0:09] <elfgoh> think there was one talk about movies
[0:10] <elfgoh> another about fund raising
[0:10] <ruiwen> and marketing too
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[0:53] <triplez> wow... the climate is really that bad... or worse than expected
[0:59] * hyperair notices a new podcast
[1:03] <ruiwen> checked it out hyperair?
[1:06] <triplez> :)
[1:09] <hyperair> ruiwen: downloading.
[1:09] <hyperair> ruiwen: if you saw my tweet about my stupid isp, you'll know why it's not done >=(
[1:09] <ruiwen> hyperair: 'fraid i haven't seen that one
[1:10] <jmarki> is daniel around?
[1:10] <hyperair> hahah
[1:10] <ruiwen> out of curiosity, does the embedded audio work for you guys?
[1:10] <hyperair> embedded audio?
[1:10] <hyperair> what's that?
[1:10] <jmarki> guess not....
[1:10] <ruiwen> hyperair: do you see it in the post? after the "Get it fresh" section
[1:10] <ruiwen> jmarki: doesn't look like he's here
[1:10] <hyperair> hmm dunno i just opened banshee and foudn it downloading =\
[1:12] <ruiwen> hyperair: oh ok sorry, thought you were looking at our blog post
[1:14] <jmarki> ruiwen: oh well, i email coreteam then
[1:15] <triplez> btw what happened to the photo with jim?
[1:15] <ruiwen> jmarki: what's it abt?
[1:15] <ruiwen> triplez: eh the lady hasn't sent them to me
[1:15] <ruiwen> triplez: and um.. i haven't dug it out of my CF card yet
[1:15] <triplez> lol
[1:15] <triplez> ok
[1:16] <ruiwen> really was hoping to use the pro one though
[1:16] <triplez> you guys haven't added the event for hackfest
[1:17] <triplez> on the website
[1:17] <ruiwen> ooh
[1:17] <ruiwen> yeah
[1:25] <triplez> i wonder how expensive 2tb memory stick will cost...
[1:25] <triplez> probably insanely expensive
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[1:44] <icedwater> Hmm... Just buy 1000 2GB sticks and multiplex them? :P
[2:18] <ruiwen> hackfest post goes out tomorrow morning
[2:19] <ruiwen> it's ready and scheduled to go
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[2:34] <elfgoh> Oh our page ranking for "linux singapore" has improved to 4 :p
[2:35] <elfgoh> Kinda not quite there yet for the search "open source singapore"
[2:36] <jamestyj> nice
[2:36] <jamestyj> go LinuxNUS go!
[2:37] <elfgoh> jamestyj: you should be cheering SEO :p
[2:37] <jamestyj> elfgoh: oh you doing something actively to bump it up?
[2:38] <elfgoh> jamestyj: hmmm not consciously doing it but yea I have been making posts about local meetups
[2:38] <elfgoh> so it helps i guess
[2:38] <elfgoh> and we had a link from ZDNet
[2:41] <jamestyj> yeah
[2:41] <jamestyj> yeah so that's not SEO
[2:41] <jamestyj> that's just google doing what it does ;)
[2:42] <elfgoh> jamestyj: well what I meant was we ought to just SEO the site's content to make it targetted for "opne source singapore"
[2:43] <jamestyj> elfgoh: ah sorry i misunderstood there
[2:43] <jamestyj> i blame it on the lack of food ;)
[2:43] <elfgoh> jamestyj: is it lunch time over there?
[2:44] <jamestyj> nope
[2:44] <jamestyj> dinner time
[2:44] <jamestyj> elfgoh: and my god you should be sleeping
[2:44] <elfgoh> jamestyj: well i am clearing my energy points for battle stations :p
[2:44] <elfgoh> and catching up on some emails
[2:45] <elfgoh> linuxNUS coreteam just got a mail from NTU OSS President
[2:45] <elfgoh> They wanna meet us and see how we can collaborate
[2:46] <elfgoh> And SLMG meetups might be at NUS in the future
[2:50] <jamestyj> oh that sounds great
[2:51] <elfgoh> jamestyj: damn we just need more people
[2:52] <elfgoh> It's good to have triplez around :p
[2:52] <elfgoh> he is so energetic that his energy is getting all of us moving :D
[2:59] <jamestyj> elfgoh: haha yeah he is good at such community stuff
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[10:10] <triplez> ??
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[11:00] <ruiwen> !twitter linuxNUS Hackfest the Third: Hack Reality - http://is.gd/244ax - The 3rd linuxNUS Hackfest will be held on 8 Aug, Saturday, from 1pm onwards at Microsoft Singapore. Reality might be slightly warped on the day.
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[11:05] <triplez> tat's a little long...
[11:08] <filePeter> �Hi!
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[11:09] <triplez> hihih
[11:13] <filePeter> =)
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[12:54] <cyberjames> lol
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[13:35] <filePeter> aha.
[13:42] * triplez kicks elfgoh
[13:42] <triplez> talking behind my back last night? :P
[13:42] * elfgoh skillfully dodges the kick
[13:43] <triplez> ntu oss president huh...
[13:44] <elfgoh> triplez: i gave you compliments
[13:45] <triplez> :P
[14:08] <elfgoh> triplez ruiwen icedwater: The podcast quality is outstanding!
[14:08] <triplez> thanks!
[14:11] <ruiwen> elfgoh: thanks =) the recording device was really quite good
[14:12] <elfgoh> ruiwen: was just wondering, if the transcript should be in the post instead of a separate file?
[14:12] <elfgoh> Was it intentional?
[14:13] <ruiwen> elfgoh: hm yeah.. having the entire transcript in the post might be a little cluttered i figure.. let those who want it download on their own accord?
[14:14] <elfgoh> hmmm was think a bit of javascript or css might do the trick... was hoping that might help for search engine optimization. But no biggie
[14:20] <ruiwen> mysql question: anyone know which is more efficient? using LEFT JOINs in mysql or the normal WHERE a.id = b.id? or are they the same?
[14:29] <filePeter> ruiwen: puhh...
[14:29] <filePeter> ruiwen: I know that once. *search for bookmark*
[14:33] <ruiwen> heh thanks =)
[14:33] <filePeter> ruiwen: They are not the same. And they differ a lot depending on what you're aiming to do.
[14:34] <ruiwen> filePeter: hm well i need 2-3 field per table across something like 5-7 tables
[14:34] <filePeter> So don't do a WHERE on a table and then join it. - LEFT JOIN it, but watch out:
[14:35] <filePeter> 5-7 is ok. I've done this.
[14:35] <filePeter> and it works pretty fast.
[14:35] <ruiwen> hm watch out for?
[14:36] <ruiwen> yup seems to be working somewhat now
[14:37] <filePeter> For the order of the leftjoin. Don't do a LEFTJOINS over a, b , c , d and then set WHERE b.id = d.id
[14:38] <ruiwen> oh ok.. i have something like that now
[14:38] <ruiwen> how should i get around that?
[14:38] <filePeter> In this case it will first scan the whole table of b and then join over that.
[14:39] <filePeter> Instead start joining with b then d and then the rest. It just scans b and d once, because it joins and "WHERE's" at the same time.
[14:40] <ruiwen> hm
[14:41] <ruiwen> ah ok i understand
[14:41] <ruiwen> i think.
[14:49] <filePeter> You could try to set "EXPLAIN" in front of the query when doing it manually to check...
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[15:43] <ruiwen> hello andras
[15:43] <andras> hi ruiwen
[15:43] * elfgoh wonder how Ruby Meetup went
[15:43] <ruiwen> yeah justin just left a while back
[15:43] <ruiwen> he should be back later in the evening i guess
[15:44] <andras> ah :)
[15:44] <andras> ok
[15:44] <ruiwen> elfgoh: think triplez was talking about AR at the meetup.. and andras is interested in doing AR too
[15:44] <elfgoh> icic
[15:44] <ruiwen> andras: triplez = justin
[15:44] <andras> triplez mentioned an upcoming AR presentation
[15:45] <andras> that was sponsored by -- I believe -- microsoft
[15:45] <andras> so nobody was interested from the ruby group...
[15:45] <ruiwen> ic
[15:45] <dqminh> only the venue is sponsored by MS
[15:45] <ruiwen> well our hackfest venue is by microsoft
[15:45] <ruiwen> not the event itself though
[15:45] <andras> ah, I see.
[15:46] <andras> do you guys have any info on this one:
[15:47] <andras> Peter Schwartz at NUS Bukit Timah lecture
[15:47] <andras> a lecture today from a "futurologist"
[15:47] <andras> * lecture theatre
[15:49] <elfgoh> andras: Hmmmm am totally clueless about that
[15:49] <ruiwen> hm
[15:49] <ruiwen> there's a guy with "filePeter" as a handle who's around here too
[15:49] <ruiwen> though he's out now
[15:49] <andras> np -- someone said that that will be the AR demo. But it does not seem to be the case.
[15:50] <elfgoh> andras: for the hackfest?
[15:50] <andras> nope
[15:50] <andras> they see, to be unrelated
[15:51] <andras> when is the hackfest by the way?
[15:51] <ruiwen> this saturday, 8 aug
[15:55] <dqminh> from 1pm
[15:55] <dqminh> 8th Aug is PreDevCamp btw
[15:55] <dqminh> so if you are interested in webos, we might learn about it there too
[15:55] <dqminh> not sure MS is going to be happy with this
[15:55] <dqminh> :p
[15:55] <andras> do you have a page with the schedule?
[15:57] <elfgoh> andras: http://linuxnus.org/2009/08/06/linuxnus-hackfest-the-third-hack-reality/
[16:00] <andras> elfgoh: thank you
[16:01] <elfgoh> andras: You are welcomed
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[16:26] <filePeter> I'm back.
[16:28] <ruiwen> hello again filePeter
[16:29] <ruiwen> andras: meet filePeter
[16:29] <ruiwen> filePeter: did you meet andras as the ruby meetup recently?
[16:30] <filePeter> ruiwen: no... missed it. "Why u ask lah?"
[16:31] <ruiwen> filePeter: oh coz andras was asking about someone named Peter just now... wondering if it might've been you he was asking about
[16:33] <andras> ruiwen: probably not
[16:34] <andras> hello filePeter
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[16:34] <triplez> yo
[16:34] <filePeter> Yah, did not see you here, yet. =)
[16:34] <filePeter> yo, triplez!
[16:34] <andras> that Peter is some kind of information hacker from Berkeley
[16:35] <filePeter> hmmmm... bsd.
[16:35] <triplez> ruiwen: just bought the zoom h2. that'll be a better recorder for stereo with 4 mics
[16:36] <elfgoh> triplez: my colleagues were trying to get the HoN beta keys yesterday... to bad for them " The limit has been reached"
[16:36] <triplez> oh... reached already?
[16:37] <triplez> damn
[16:37] <elfgoh> yea
[16:37] <elfgoh> but i think they will release keys again
[16:37] <triplez> oh well... i only have 3 keys then
[16:37] <triplez> how many do you have?
[16:37] <elfgoh> i got 2
[16:37] <triplez> and ruiwen has 1 more
[16:37] <triplez> so 6 keys should be good enough!!
[16:37] <triplez> ;)
[16:37] <elfgoh> 3v3
[16:37] <filePeter> Which keys?
[16:37] <ruiwen> triplez: ooh yay better recordings!
[16:38] <triplez> well i have my own key...
[16:38] <elfgoh> filePeter: Beta Keys for Heroes of Newerth
[16:38] <triplez> elfgoh has his own
[16:38] <triplez> ruiwen has his own?
[16:38] <filePeter> elfgoh: Ah.... :-)
[16:38] <triplez> ruiwen: yes... better recordings. now arrange for the next linuxnus podcast
[16:38] <ruiwen> Yes Sir!
[16:39] <triplez> are you looking at daniel ng + harish pillay or just one each?
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[16:39] <ruiwen> triplez: need to figure that out a little more..
[16:40] <ruiwen> triplez: also wondering if we should pile on so many red hats at one go
[16:40] <triplez> or do you want to do a normal episode for the next round?
[16:41] <elfgoh> triplez: ruiwen. Well maybe darrel chua may make a good interview candidate
[16:41] <triplez> who's darrel chua?
[16:41] <elfgoh> triplez: he is the driver behing SLMG and FOSA i think
[16:41] <triplez> didn't we do fosa the previous episode?
[16:42] <ruiwen> elfgoh: darrel was already on episode 1
[16:42] <ruiwen> yeah
[16:42] <elfgoh> ruiwen: oops
[16:42] <ruiwen> so was david rigby and tom goh
[16:42] * elfgoh hides
[16:42] <triplez> what other OSS is there in singapore besides redhat?
[16:42] <ruiwen> am thinking maybe one of the SRB ppl? choon keat/chu yeow? (just throwing out some names i remember)
[16:43] <ruiwen> triplez: novell is here too
[16:43] <elfgoh> triplez: we have a whole list on linuxNUS.org
[16:43] <ruiwen> or the python group perhaps
[16:43] <triplez> or we can do a normal linux news update podcast for the next episode
[16:43] <triplez> i dunno... like episode 0?
[16:44] <ruiwen> also can
[16:44] <ruiwen> can talk about stuff going on in the community at large
[16:44] <ruiwen> i don't mind that
[16:44] <triplez> well what i really want to do one day is to get the OSS user groups together or 1 big podcast interview
[16:44] <triplez> how does that sound?
[16:45] <triplez> or = for
[16:45] <elfgoh> triplez: ruiwen well i think PUG will like a podcast to plug in some publicity for Pycon 2010
[16:45] <triplez> when's pycon 2010?
[16:45] <triplez> isn't it a little too soon?
[16:46] <triplez> 9-10 june 2010... err... a little too soon don't you think?
[16:46] <elfgoh> triplez: sorry my bad
[16:46] <elfgoh> http://apac.pycon.org/
[16:46] <ruiwen> triplez: might be a little difficult to pull everyone in for a massive recording.. but i agree.. it should be fun
[16:46] <elfgoh> But i think there will be a call for papers soon i think
[16:47] <triplez> well not everyone... rather the user group leads
[16:47] <ruiwen> elfgoh: triplez: we can always do an episode with PUG first.. and one more to plug PyCon next year
[16:47] <elfgoh> ruiwen: triplez: I will do a plug for the current podcast on tuxmachines?
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[16:47] <elfgoh> maybe on distrowatch.... if we can meet the criteria ( if there is one)
[16:48] <ruiwen> elfgoh: sure =)
[16:48] <triplez> when is SFD?
[16:48] <ruiwen> elfgoh: we can mail victoria from zdnet too i figure.. see if she's interested
[16:48] <ruiwen> triplez: sept 18-19 i think
[16:51] <triplez> well since it's coming up in september...
[16:51] <triplez> why don't we have the next podcast about SFD?
[16:52] <ruiwen> um we could.. though it was plugged somewhat already in episode 1
[16:52] <triplez> but that's in may
[16:52] <ruiwen> also not sure how progress is coming along with SFD
[16:52] <ruiwen> well we can ask the organisers to see if they have anything to update
[16:54] <triplez> hehhe... lemme listen to episode 1 first and see what was left out about SFD
[16:54] <triplez> because the episode seems to be more FOSA rather than sfd
[16:58] <triplez> ok... gonna test out this voice recorder
[17:02] <triplez> wow... compared the episode 2 audio quality with episode 1... huge difference
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[17:17] <ruiwen> heh
[17:17] <ruiwen> episode 1 was a skype call
[17:18] <ruiwen> episode 0 was the built in mic
[17:19] <filePeter> Wow... SG as a Punk&Hardcore&Metal-scene? (wikipedia)
[17:22] <ruiwen> eh?
[17:24] <triplez> who's in charge of FSD?
[17:24] <filePeter> Yeah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Singapore#Pop_and_Rock_music
[17:24] <triplez> we can do an episode on just purely FSD... episode 1 doesn't have much about it
[17:25] <filePeter> Anyone know such clubs?
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[19:21] <wickedpuppy> FSD or SFD ?
[19:21] <wickedpuppy> nvm
[19:21] <wickedpuppy> there are things i don't wanna know :P
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[19:27] <triplez> oops... SFD
[19:27] <triplez> :P
[19:27] <triplez> hahha
[19:54] <triplez> oh i didn't know andras was looking for me
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[20:51] <cyberjames> chrome on linux
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[22:19] <elfgoh_I> twitter is down!
[22:20] <triplez> yes i know
[22:22] <elfgoh_I> i thought it was my isp, until i saw the post on tech crunch
[22:22] <wickedpuppy> quick! someone tweet about it!
[22:23] <wickedpuppy> oh ok .. sorry its a bad joke
[22:24] <elfgoh_I> wickedpuppy: i will get a bird to do it!
[22:24] <wickedpuppy> make sure the bird can kuku
[22:25] <wickedpuppy> why twitter is down btw ... michael jackson came alive then die again?
[22:36] <elfgoh_I> maybe twitter came back but went down again because people are tweeting that it came back :p
[22:41] <triplez> twitter is back
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[23:17] <jarick> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTnvqQFFc1c
[23:18] <haoyu> oh... twitter is suffering DoS
[23:19] <haoyu> said by http://status.twitter.com/
[23:20] <haoyu> cool.
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