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[0:00] <SGnewbie> unless u r lucky
[0:00] <hyperair> i'm married. to my notebook anyway
[0:00] <SGnewbie> nerds
[0:00] <SGnewbie> lol
[0:00] <hyperair> oh shutup >=(
[0:00] <SGnewbie> plenty of techie nerds in sg
[0:01] <hyperair> yeah, they're mostly guys
[0:01] <SGnewbie> most girls like bad guys instead of nerds
[0:01] <hyperair> or annoying as hell like dw-/me shuts up and hides
[0:02] <SGnewbie> ntu is soo far
[0:02] <hyperair> it's deep in the jungle
[0:02] <SGnewbie> heard activities r rampant in the dorm too, esp at night
[0:03] <hyperair> well, if you count a blackout causing an uproar in the dorm being considered an activity, then yeah
[0:03] <SGnewbie> nono... I mean human making activities
[0:03] <hyperair> otherwise those of us who aren't asleep are staring at books or notebooks
[0:04] <SGnewbie> haha.. staring at porn issit
[0:04] <SGnewbie> :x
[0:04] <hyperair> who knows/
[0:04] <SGnewbie> there are application to sniff it out
[0:04] <elfgoh> SGnewbie: so which specific organisation are you working at?
[0:05] <SGnewbie> elfgoh: no point as I am leaving
[0:05] <SGnewbie> ;D
[0:05] <elfgoh> SGnewbie: CSIT?
[0:06] <SGnewbie> nono
[0:06] <SGnewbie> remember... CSIT is in the west too, right?
[0:06] <elfgoh> uh huh... so?
[0:06] <SGnewbie> ehhmmm.. nevermind
[0:07] <SGnewbie> but they are recruiting
[0:07] <SGnewbie> u wanna join?
[0:07] <elfgoh> Nope.
[0:08] <elfgoh> I am just curious about someone who asks us so much but reveals so little ;)
[0:08] <SGnewbie> I m more into industrial application instead
[0:08] <SGnewbie> :D
[0:12] <SGnewbie> anyone below age 26?
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[0:13] <SGnewbie> Maybe can try this: Young Entrepreneurs Scheme for Startups (YES! Startups)
[0:13] <SGnewbie> Through YES! Startups, SPRING will match with $4 for every $1 raised by the applicant through self-funding, schools or any other third-party sources. The maximum amount of grant provided under YES! Startups is $50,000.
[0:14] <triplez> hmmm
[0:15] <SGnewbie> Details can be found @ http://www.spring.gov.sg/Content/WebPageLeft.aspx?id=a0d0a061-31a1-4acd-bee1-330954ae398b
[0:15] <SGnewbie> We need more entrepreneurs...... =.=
[0:21] <ruiwen> you're from spring SGnewbie ?
[0:21] <SGnewbie> nope
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[10:15] <elfgoh_I> Hey what does everyone think of a HoN games night, say next friday?
[10:18] <ruiwen> there's something called the BuzzCity Developer Garage next friday.. not sure if people might wanna attend that
[10:18] <ruiwen> but not sure if it's an open event
[10:21] <elfgoh_I> hmm thur then?
[10:22] <ruiwen> next thursday 20 aug?
[10:22] <ruiwen> looks available
[10:24] <elfgoh_I> any suggestions for venue then?
[10:26] <ruiwen> um i haven't seen the new room
[10:26] <ruiwen> is it large enough?
[10:26] <ruiwen> or soc1 03-17?
[10:28] <elfgoh_I> well it's not a lan game yet
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[10:28] <elfgoh_I> and i was hoping for a place close to food
[10:28] <ruiwen> elfgoh_I: oh just individual gaming then?
[10:28] <ruiwen> and close to food?
[10:28] <ruiwen> on campus?
[10:29] <elfgoh_I> yea... was thinking engin canteen
[10:29] <ruiwen> ah?
[10:29] <ruiwen> game in engin canteen?
[10:29] <ruiwen> term has started though
[10:29] <elfgoh_I> you can play multiplayer, but would need to connect to the servers
[10:31] <elfgoh_I> though i am concerned with the stuckup socvpn if we are using soc1
[10:31] <ruiwen> true
[10:31] <ruiwen> that will be annoying
[10:32] <ruiwen> but for engin canteen i'm thinking about the crowd
[10:32] <ruiwen> potential crowd anyway
[10:32] <elfgoh_I> is it that crowded after 730pm?
[10:32] <ruiwen> no idea. haven't seen
[10:32] <ruiwen> only know that term has now started again
[10:32] <ruiwen> so i expect the usual campers
[10:33] <dqminh> not that much i think, its still early for campers
[10:33] <elfgoh_I> it is pretty big anyway... am speculating that we can have one corner to ourselves
[10:33] <ruiwen> all righty
[10:33] <ruiwen> do we need network access?
[10:33] <elfgoh_I> dqminh: have you tried hon yet?
[10:34] <dqminh> elfgoh_I, no , havent :(
[10:35] <elfgoh_I> ruiwen: internet needed to connect to the servers
[10:35] <elfgoh_I> can non nus peeps connect?
[10:36] <ruiwen> elfgoh_I: probably not
[10:36] <ruiwen> elfgoh_I: not to NUSOPEN anyway
[10:38] <elfgoh_I> ruiwen: is there a guest login or something? or anywork arounds?
[10:39] <ruiwen> elfgoh_I: guest logins.. i figure not without some help from comcen
[10:39] <ruiwen> elfgoh_I: alternative is a 3G dongle and 3G router, like what you have in office
[10:40] <elfgoh_I> well i got the dongle... someone needs to provide the router
[10:40] <elfgoh_I> or we can do wireless bridging
[10:41] <elfgoh_I> we did that at the last hackfest
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[10:41] <elfgoh_I> to bypass redmond's firewall
[10:43] <ruiwen> elfgoh_I: at the recent hackfest? what was the setup like?
[10:44] <elfgoh_I> ruiwen: ziyong's pc had the dongle, ngiin and jeremiah connected to ziyong wirelessly
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[10:47] <elfgoh_I> triplez: next thur hon games night?
[10:47] <ruiwen> elfgoh_I: i see
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[10:50] <elfgoh_I> ruiwen: i was thinking that we can ask for guest logins from comcen, on the premise that it is for the nus alumni
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[10:51] <ruiwen> elfgoh_I: hm.. for a gaming night?
[10:51] <ruiwen> elfgoh_I: could ask i guess
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[10:59] <triplez> sorry elfgoh_I... you were saying?
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[11:01] <elfgoh_I> triplez: was asking about next thur for hon games night
[11:01] <triplez> yes thursday is good
[11:01] <triplez> so the poll was hon?
[11:02] <elfgoh_I> triplez no i didn't poll, i decided to heck the poll
[11:03] <triplez> HAHHAHAHA
[11:03] <triplez> ok... so confirmed?
[11:08] <elfgoh_I> yea i think you me plus ruiwen and dqminh can make it
[11:09] <elfgoh_I> we can save our beta keys for those who turn up
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[11:12] <triplez> alrighty
[11:13] <triplez> is this the 1st game night for linuxNUS?
[11:15] <elfgoh> triplez: yea
[11:15] <triplez> location at NUS SoC? the new building/
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[11:15] <elfgoh> triplez: was thinking engin canteen... so closer to food
[11:16] <elfgoh> ;)
[11:16] <triplez> play at the canteen?
[11:16] <elfgoh> Mac's nearby
[11:16] <triplez> are you crazy? so hot
[11:16] <elfgoh> heh i haven't been there for a long time
[11:16] <triplez> at least find somewhere with a load of power supplies...
[11:16] <triplez> and a/c
[11:16] <triplez> and... how about internet? how do we solve that?
[11:18] <elfgoh> triplez: Internet was thinking of getting guest logins, and also depend on my dongle..... i have to ask my boss if I can borrow the router to share the dongle's connection
[11:18] <triplez> dongle = fast enough?
[11:18] <elfgoh> triplez: yea fast enough when i tried at M$
[11:18] <elfgoh> But for myself only :p
[11:19] <triplez> .... hahhahah
[11:19] <elfgoh> Hmmm not sure if more people whether it can take the load
[11:19] <triplez> i doubt it
[11:19] <elfgoh> but when i play in office 3V2, the starhub dongle can handle it
[11:20] <elfgoh> Well if we book a room... i am also not sure if non nus peeps can connect too :[
[11:20] <triplez> gah
[11:25] <elfgoh> actually i am also not sure if doing wireless bridging that we did the other day can work too
[11:26] <triplez> we'll have to figure that one out
[11:26] <triplez> btw... what's the status on Xen workshop?
[11:27] <triplez> :)
[11:27] <elfgoh> triplez: Gwayne seems to be busy with SFD and he hasn;'t replied me on the dates
[11:27] <triplez> where's muh ziyong!!! where's muh creative zii's article
[11:27] <triplez> oh btw... who should we talk to about SFD?
[11:27] <ruiwen> fosa probably
[11:28] <triplez> we should do a podcast on SFD itself
[11:28] <ruiwen> one of david rigby, tom or darrel
[11:28] <triplez> i think ep1 was mostly FOSA...
[11:28] <triplez> we can do a piece solely on SFD
[11:28] <triplez> what do you think ruiwen?
[11:28] <ruiwen> am thinking we could
[11:29] <ruiwen> since i hear they need help with recruiting help and publicity
[11:30] <triplez> yeah...
[11:30] <triplez> can you send an email? we can do it next week or the last week of august
[11:32] <ruiwen> let's see if we can do it a week from now then
[11:37] <triplez> alrighty...
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[11:39] <elfgoh> dqminh: any suggestions for the venue with regards to network connectivity?
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[11:41] <filePeter> Hi!
[11:42] <elfgoh> Good morning filePeter
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[11:43] <elfgoh> dqminh: ruiwen would it be possible for you guys to test if it is possible to do wireless bridging in SoC?
[11:43] <elfgoh> In windows it is very easy to do
[11:44] <elfgoh> i am just not sure if that will bypass SoC VPN
[11:45] <ruiwen> you mean bridge to a LAN point in SOC?
[11:45] <ruiwen> then it probably wont.. remember we had a bridge up in the old linuxnus room once?
[11:45] <ruiwen> we still needed to auth to SoCVPN
[11:46] <elfgoh> ruiwen: were we bridging through that big box from Sci ITU?
[11:46] <ruiwen> yup
[11:46] <elfgoh> darn
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[13:36] <filePeter> Hmmm... Had lunch... =)
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[16:53] <filePeter> Hi!
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[18:05] <ruiwen> hey.. anyone here can help me check my concepts about OOP?
[18:05] <ruiwen> particularly with regards to variable inheritance
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[18:34] <jamestyj> ruiwen: what are you trying to do here?
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[18:44] <ruiwen> jamestyj: I have a Child class extending a Parent. Parent has a private $a="Dad", and a public function show_variable() that returns $this->a. In the Child, I redeclare private $a = "Son". If I instantiate a new Child, and call child->show_variable(), do I get "Son" or "Dad"?
[18:48] <jamestyj> this is jaa?
[18:48] <jamestyj> *java?
[18:48] <jamestyj> best way is to try the code and find out ;)
[18:48] <jamestyj> private variables cannot be accessed from the child
[18:49] <jamestyj> so i would say you get "Son"? but it has been a long time since i did any java, so i can't be sure.
[18:49] <jamestyj> the SCJP exam is full of stuff like this, and worse
[18:50] <ruiwen> haha
[18:50] <ruiwen> well it's PHP actually
[18:50] <ruiwen> but yeah.. i thought i'd get "Son" too, but PHP me gives me "Dad"
[18:50] <ruiwen> so i'm not sure who's right and who's wrong
[18:50] <jamestyj> oh PHP
[18:50] <jamestyj> it's even longer since I did PHP
[18:51] <jamestyj> different languages implement the public, protected, private stuff differently
[18:51] <jamestyj> so yeah you have to see how it works
[18:51] <jamestyj> it's even more confusing in ruby
[18:51] <ruiwen> well actually, the current version of PHP I'm using gives "Dad", but the next latest update will give "Son", so I'm just about to introduce my head to the wall
[18:51] <ruiwen> and the previous versions of PHP apparently gave "Son" too
[18:55] <dqminh> ruiwen, which version are you using ?
[18:55] <ruiwen> dqminh: 5.2.6
[18:55] <dqminh> "Son" should be the correct answer
[18:56] <ruiwen> hm so PHP is misbehaving?
[19:00] <dqminh> i have 5.2.6.3 and it returns "son" too
[19:01] <ruiwen> hm.. i have 5.2.6-1
[19:02] <ruiwen> could you pastebin your code snippet dqminh?
[19:02] <dqminh> k
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[19:05] <ruiwen> dqminh: this is mine http://pastebin.com/m534b01b0
[19:06] <ruiwen> dqminh: this one instead http://pastebin.com/m59d7dc9
[19:08] <dqminh> :o $a is private variables, sorry
[19:09] <dqminh> then "dad" should be the correct answer imo
[19:11] <ruiwen> hm ok
[19:11] <ruiwen> so that's the way it _should_ be right, not just how PHP does it?
[19:11] <dqminh> yup
[19:12] <dqminh> $this in show_variable is actually referring to the parent class
[19:12] <dqminh> you need to overload the show_variable if you want to access the $a in Child
[19:14] <ruiwen> hm ic
[19:14] <ruiwen> interestingly, 5.3.0 should apparently give you "Son" instead
[19:14] <dqminh> really ?
[19:16] <ruiwen> yeah.. this new feature called late-static binding
[19:17] <ruiwen> and apparently some versions prior to 5.2.6 also returned "Son"
[19:17] <ruiwen> so now i'm confused as to what the "right" way is
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[20:25] <ziroday> hey elfgoh_I, you work in the company that made HoN right?
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[20:48] <elfgoh_I> ziroday: oops, sorry if i gave that impression, but most certainly not
[20:48] <elfgoh_I> my company makes facebook games
[20:48] <ziroday> ah
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[21:06] <freeside> mooo
[21:06] <freeside> hey patrick, we checked out 222Q today
[21:06] <freeside> i think it might fit the bill for a hacker space.
[21:07] <freeside> but now i'm in chinatown, and i'm like, man, chinatown is pretty cool too
[21:07] <freeside> i think we're just going to have to have two centres of entrepreneurial excellence, or whatever
[21:09] <patrickhaller> context switch ;)
[21:10] <patrickhaller> where in chinatown?
[21:11] <ziroday> chinatown has a decent hawker
[21:23] <freeside> mmm, screening room
[21:23] <freeside> just wanted to check out the food
[21:23] <freeside> now in a taxi on the road headed to Lido to watch UP
[21:23] <freeside> in Exciting Three Dee!
[21:23] <elfgoh_I> up is nice!
[21:24] <elfgoh_I> i heard :p
[21:25] <elfgoh_I> but i truly wanna watch it too
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[21:30] <ziroday> same here, didn't realise there was a 3D version
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