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[0:03] <triplez> such hatred
[0:03] <triplez> awesome
[0:03] <triplez> :)
[0:06] <icedwater> Heh, that's why we have dwu here. Feel the energy! :P
[0:06] <dwu> Grr.
[0:06] <jmarki> zap
[0:06] <jmarki> bzzz
[0:06] <icedwater> Heh, Frets on Fire will be pretty hard to play on the keyboard..
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[0:06] <icedwater> s/keyboard/laptop
[0:07] <dwu> icedwater: Heh, not so easy to move the keyboard into position is it :)
[0:08] <elfgoh_> icedwater: that's an interesting problem
[0:08] <elfgoh_> i wonder how the rest of the world works around that?
[0:09] <icedwater> Yeah ... how do you hold a keyboard like a guitar when you need to look at the monitor attached to it as well?
[0:09] <dwu> icedwater: Look down?
[0:09] <dwu> elfgoh_: Probably not by asking rhetorical questions at the people solving it.
[0:09] <jmarki> buy a monitor
[0:10] * jmarki wonders if an ergonomic keyboard enhances the experience. =D
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[0:58] <elfgoh> Greetings anom1
[0:58] <anom1> elfgoh: Live long and prosper.
[0:59] <elfgoh> anom1: do you game btw? :D
[0:59] <anom1> elfgoh: Um no, I don't have MMORPG skills.
[0:59] * anom1 is turning a deep shade of red.
[0:59] <elfgoh> anom1: DOTA skills? :D
[1:00] <anom1> nope
[1:00] <anom1> I play single player games, like Wolfenstein and Half Life.
[1:00] <elfgoh> anom1: want to try a closed beta of a game?
[1:00] <elfgoh> Runs on Linux, WIndows and Mac
[1:00] <elfgoh> Let me know if you wish to have a key
[1:00] <elfgoh> Heroes of Newerth
[1:01] <anom1> elfgoh: darn, gonna go. i'll chat with you on this again another day.
[1:01] <anom1> goodnight!
[1:01] <elfgoh> anom1: bye!
[1:02] * anom1 is waving farewell!
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[1:44] <elfgoh> Hello Macky
[1:44] <Macky> hello
[1:44] <elfgoh> Macky: having a bad connection? :)
[1:45] <Macky> learning the ropes of IRC again, it's been a while
[1:45] <elfgoh> Macky: heh never too old to do so I guess. I only got acquainted with it in 2005
[1:46] <Macky> i guess the last i touched it was way back in 1997 era
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[1:55] * elfgoh gives a shoutout to codeandroid and GTUG meetup today: http://linuxnus.org/2009/08/28/codeandroid-meetup-4-and-gtug-sg-meetup-1/
[2:18] <elfgoh> !twitter just for laughs Dilbert Parody: http://yuenhoe.co.cc/blog/2009/08/jason-at-work/
[2:22] <elfgoh> remind me in 20 hours to apply leave
[2:22] <marice_nus> elfgoh: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sat Aug 29 22:22:18 SGT 2009
[2:32] <hyperair> elfgoh: the comments were funnier.
[2:33] <elfgoh> hyperair: heh
[2:33] <hyperair> =p
[2:33] <hyperair> on a side note, would you happen to know how to get lilo up with a /boot partition?
[2:34] <elfgoh> hyperair: sorry man. I only use GRUB
[2:34] <hyperair> same here =\
[2:34] <hyperair> the but bios appears to not like grub
[2:34] <elfgoh> hyperair: ruiwen would know since he used slackware before
[2:34] <hyperair> or vice versa
[2:34] <hyperair> i see
[2:34] <hyperair> i'll poke him then
[2:35] <elfgoh> hyperair: how strange to hear that
[2:35] <hyperair> yeah it is
[2:35] <elfgoh> I have not encountered it yet...
[2:35] <hyperair> i puzzled over it for 6 hours.
[2:35] <elfgoh> GRUB 1 or 2?
[2:35] <hyperair> both.
[2:35] <hyperair> grub1 wouldn't load stage1.5
[2:35] <hyperair> grub 2 wouldn't load kernel.mod
[2:35] <elfgoh> hyperair: and so LILO works? but just need to correct the config?
[2:36] <hyperair> i have no idea.
[2:36] <hyperair> i'd like to test it out to see
[2:36] <hyperair> but i couldn't figure out how to get lilo to even install itself onto the mbr. it kept failing due to my LVM-on-RAID1 setup
[2:36] <hyperair> also, can a 315W power supply handle 4 hard disks?
[2:37] <jmarki> hyperair: why are you having your /boot on lvm?!?
[2:37] <hyperair> jmarki: you're misunderstanding something. i have / on lvm, and /boot outside.
[2:37] <elfgoh> hyperair: well my high school tells me that doing a summation of the wattages of the hardware would answer that better than my wild guess
[2:38] <hyperair> elfgoh: heh, i should try that, eh. and pluck out the gpu whiel i'm at it.
[2:38] <jmarki> hyperair: then grub or lilo will only care mostly about the /boot
[2:38] <hyperair> jmarki: well, i wish that's all it cared about. but it complained something about /proc/partitions and an invalid map of some sort
[2:39] <hyperair> empty map entry
[2:39] <hyperair> you see, /proc/partitions lists down your dm block devices as /dev/dm-N
[2:39] <hyperair> and lvm uses those
[2:39] <hyperair> what a pain.
[2:40] <jmarki> i can't remember if / itself should be under lvm... =/
[2:40] <hyperair> / can.
[2:40] <hyperair> my notebook uses such a setup
[2:41] <hyperair> /boot is ext4, using grub2, and / is in LVM, as in /home and swap.
[2:41] <jmarki> /boot in ext4?!? wah...
[2:41] <hyperair> heh
[2:41] <jmarki> brave
[2:41] <hyperair> grub2 supports it
[2:41] <hyperair> ext4 is very nice and stable now
[2:41] <hyperair> all my partitions use ext4 now
[2:42] <hyperair> how much does an IDE expansion card cost, by the way?
[2:43] <jmarki> which version of grub are you using?
[2:43] <hyperair> on the server or on the notebook?
[2:43] <hyperair> well come to think of it, both are using grub2 now
[2:43] <jmarki> the one that grub failed
[2:43] <hyperair> that one that failed, *both* versions of grub failed.
[2:44] <jmarki> did you load the lvm module for grub?
[2:45] <elfgoh> have fun while i sleep
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[2:45] <jmarki> elfgoh always goes to sleep when i do this... whahahah
[2:46] <hyperair> jmarki: i shouldn't need to. lvm handles that.
[2:47] <jmarki> really? grub loads before lvm...
[2:47] <hyperair> jmarki: remember that /boot is ext3
[2:47] <hyperair> er sorry
[2:47] <hyperair> i meant initrd handles lvm
[2:47] <hyperair> grub loads, and starts the kernel with the initrd
[2:47] <jmarki> oh yes, it's an initrd world now...
[2:47] <hyperair> yep
[2:48] <hyperair> but the problem is that grub won't read anything from /boot
[2:48] <hyperair> it just complains "Read error"
[2:48] <hyperair> ugh
[2:48] <jmarki> did you install correctly?
[2:48] <hyperair> at first i thought it was simple hard disk corruption
[2:48] <hyperair> yes i'm sure i did
[2:48] <jmarki> device order can change...
[2:48] <hyperair> not if you didn't change anything.
[2:49] <hyperair> i booted from a thumbdrive and configured it on the spot
[2:49] <hyperair> wiped my Devices.map or whateever and let it regenerate
[2:49] <hyperair> device.map
[2:49] <hyperair> the guys at #grub say it might be something to do with the bios not being friendly with int13 or something O_o
[2:50] <jmarki> still possible, no? thumbdrive takes another /dev/sdX
[2:51] <hyperair> yes.
[2:51] <hyperair> but thumbdrive was /dev/sdc.
[2:51] <hyperair> the internal was /dev/sd[ab]
[2:51] <jmarki> ahh...
[2:51] <hyperair> a and b should not change just because c disappeared
[2:52] <jmarki> pastie grub config?
[2:52] <hyperair> machine's offline. i can't get it to boot on its own
[2:52] <hyperair> considering syslinux works (liveusb) i'm actually considering using extlinux on that
[2:54] <jmarki> on the server?!
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[2:54] <hyperair> yes.
[2:54] <hyperair> hey grub won't work!
[2:54] <hyperair> there's nothing i can do, is there?
[2:54] <hyperair> well aside from lilo
[2:54] <hyperair> =.=
[2:55] <jmarki> pastie the grub conf, if possible
[2:55] <hyperair> but lilo appears to hate me
[2:55] <jmarki> grub hated me...
[2:55] <hyperair> actually i don't think grub conf will help
[2:55] <hyperair> in grub1, stage1.5 is loaded *before* the conf
[2:55] <hyperair> stage1.5 couldn't be loaded.
[2:55] <hyperair> due to a read error
[2:56] <jmarki> i'm more curious about the conf parameters than anything else. =p
[2:56] <hyperair> hmm?
[2:57] <jmarki> cos I am 1) too lazy to do initrd 2) didn't see the point of lvm for normal servers 3) curious how the latest grub config looks like
[2:57] <jmarki> =D
[2:58] <hyperair> that's no normal server.
[2:58] <hyperair> that's an ubuntu archives mirror
[2:58] <hyperair> and releases mirror
[2:58] <jmarki> ahh....
[2:58] <hyperair> i'll pastebin my current grub config for you
[2:58] <hyperair> from my notebook
[2:58] <hyperair> it'll at least satisfy half your concerns =)
[2:58] <jmarki> does that have both lvm and initrd?
[2:59] <hyperair> yes
[2:59] <hyperair> http://pastebin.com/f544c2682
[2:59] <jmarki> ooooooooooo
[2:59] <hyperair> but honestly speaking, when youv'e got an initrd, the only thing that lvm changes is the root= parameter
[2:59] <hyperair> and maybe resume= parameter, if you haven't had it set in your initrd
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[3:04] <jmarki> wah.... my gentoo is still on grub 1
[3:04] <jmarki> i think
[3:05] <hyperair> heh
[3:06] <hyperair> well i actually prefer the old menu.lst file
[3:06] <jmarki> yeah. 0.97 static build
[3:06] <hyperair> but this grub issue seriously got me puzzled. this is the first time i've seen grub fail of all things
[3:07] <hyperair> i mean it's usually the kernel, or X, or something else, but grub of all things?!
[3:07] <jmarki> eh? grub often fails... lilo was more stable
[3:08] <jmarki> but then, i've never used grub2...
[3:10] <hyperair> grub1 never failed for me
[3:11] <hyperair> and i've never used lilo
[3:11] <hyperair> well, how does a lilo.conf look like when there's a /boot and initrd?
[3:12] <jmarki> 5? i think was 5. 5 years ago, i used lilo, even though grub was swankier. all because i can't get grub to work... whahahah
[3:12] <hyperair> hmm maybe lilo would work on this machine
[3:12] <hyperair> so how does a lilo.conf look like when there's a /boot?
[3:12] <jmarki> i have no idea... i don't use initrd on my gentoo, and i put grub in for my latest build
[3:12] <hyperair> okay, assuming no initrd?
[3:13] <hyperair> does making /boot a separate partition matter in lilo.conf?
[3:13] * jmarki go look at gentoo handbook
[3:13] <jmarki> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10
[3:14] <jmarki> code listing 3.3
[3:14] <jmarki> genkernel is the one with initrd
[3:16] <hyperair> i'm more interested in the difference in lilo.conf when there is a /boot partition
[3:16] <hyperair> compared to when /boot is just a directory on /
[3:16] <hyperair> or is it the same?
[3:17] <hyperair> i'll go give it a shot again on monday then
[3:17] <hyperair> or tuesday
[3:17] <hyperair> no wait
[3:17] <hyperair> wednesday
[3:18] <hyperair> for now i'm going to build a grub2 for ubuntu hardy
[3:18] <jmarki> i don't think there was a difference... =/
[3:18] <hyperair> hmm
[3:19] <jmarki> that was why i went to lilo, i think....
[3:19] <jmarki> there's a difference for grub, which had confused me a lot
[3:20] <yq> yay skype on ubuntu
[3:20] <yq> nothing that cant be done hahaha
[3:21] <yq> ...... lack of sleep == crazy
[3:21] <yq> ntie people
[3:21] <jmarki> yq: which version of skype?
[3:21] <jmarki> <evil laughter>
[3:21] <yq> skype-ubuntu-intrepid_2.1.0.47-1_i386.deb
[3:21] <yq> not bad ah... such a breeze
[3:21] <yq> download... click
[3:21] <jmarki> aww.. the new one....
[3:21] <yq> log in. test
[3:22] <yq> works
[3:22] <yq> hha
[3:22] <yq> such a bitch when i was trying out linux last time
[3:23] <yq> that was 10 yrs ago... aha if only i kept to it
[3:23] <yq> i'd be super guru now
[3:23] <yq> bye
[3:23] <jmarki> bye
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[3:26] <jmarki> hyperair: maybe i'll try grub2 later this week... *if* i get fedora 11 up on my netbook
[3:26] <hyperair> have fun
[3:26] <jmarki> the guide on gentoo-wiki wasn't too bad... =D
[3:30] <hyperair> heh
[3:31] <hyperair> its even simpler with ubuntu
[3:31] <jmarki> oh well, time to sleep
[3:32] <jmarki> night hyperair. night all
[3:32] <hyperair> night
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[10:34] <concernedcitizen> morgen.
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[11:12] <freeside> moooo
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[11:48] <concernedcitize1> jamestyj: ping
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[12:46] <elfgoh_> anyone else at codeandroid besides SilverWolf and me?
[12:46] <elfgoh_> or anyone comking for GTUG Meetyp?
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[12:57] <dwu> *yawn* mornin' kids.
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[15:29] <icedwater> Morning! :D
[15:30] <dwu> Hey you :)
[15:31] <icedwater> More Scrubbing to be done at home?
[15:31] <dwu> Yes.
[15:31] <dwu> But we're headed to Baybeats after this.
[15:32] <icedwater> Hm, yeah, it's a Saturday afternoon right.
[15:32] <icedwater> Who's we?
[15:32] <icedwater> #linuxnus?
[15:32] <icedwater> Heh.
[15:32] <dwu> No.
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[15:43] <icedwater> Right, I thought so anyhow. Who from this bunch would go to Baybeats anyway? Hmph. ;)
[15:43] <dwu> Who knows. The other geeks are into music *shrug*
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[15:59] <icedwater> Wow, everyone else is out on a Saturday afternoon. Yay for them :P
[15:59] <elfgoh_> hmmm anyone want to head to sim lim square today?
[16:00] <icedwater> ... Or not.
[16:00] <icedwater> Well, elfgoh_, what are you intending to buy?
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[16:03] <elfgoh_> icedwater getting price lists. intending to build a box for my friend
[16:13] <icedwater> I see.
[16:13] <icedwater> You could do that online, though, unless of course you're bringing your friend along, in which case paper would probably be easier.
[16:15] <icedwater> Any tips for cleaning laptop keyboards, guys?
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[16:42] <yq> icedwater: not really. but have you consideredthose keyboard plasticky protectors?
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[16:59] <hyperair> icedwater: take our your laptop keyboard and use a brush.
[16:59] <hyperair> icedwater: a thin brush.
[17:00] <hyperair> the hard part of course, is figuring out how to remove the keyboard, since different notebooks have different methods of securing it
[17:08] <jmarki|sleep> spend $10 get a mini usb vacumn cleaner
[17:09] <hyperair> vacuum cleaners don't work well with keyboards imo
[17:10] <hyperair> the dust will still get stuck underneath the keys
[17:10] <hyperair> i'm not sure if notebook keyboards can have their keys be plucked out
[17:11] <hyperair> http://www.computing.net/howto/simple/keyboard/ <-- this says you can, eh..
[17:12] <jmarki|sleep> eh? 5 years ago, my friend paid $60 for a keyboard key. toshiba
[17:15] <hyperair> ..for one key?!
[17:16] <jmarki|sleep> yea
[17:18] * hyperair brb. need to stick back a control key i pulled out for an experiment
[17:18] <hyperair> =.=
[17:18] <jmarki|sleep> =D
[17:19] <hyperair> stop grinning >=(
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[17:28] <hyperair> i'm back!
[17:29] <hyperair> my control key's back in place too
[17:29] <jmarki> using?
[17:31] <hyperair> ?
[17:31] <hyperair> using?
[17:31] <hyperair> a screwdriver
[17:31] <jmarki> not glue, i hope...
[17:31] <jmarki> ooooooooo
[17:31] <hyperair> i needed to pry off something from the bottom of my key
[17:31] <hyperair> then stick ti back first
[17:31] <hyperair> then press the key back on
[17:33] <hyperair> i'll properly clean my keyboard when i get home then X_X
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[17:39] <jmarki> 105 keys x 10 mins = 1050 mins = 16 hours 7 mins
[17:39] <jmarki> wah,,,,
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[18:00] <hyperair> hahaha
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[18:28] <dwu> icedwater: take apart and clean is what i did for my last laptop cleanout.
[18:28] <dwu> wheeoo.
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[19:57] <wywen> Ah, the irony of manually scheduling automatic scheduler simulations for parallel computers on parallel computers ...
[20:00] * hyperair stretches and yawns
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[21:08] <icedwater> Hm, I did that for my old laptop, but I didn't get the keys all back properly :(
[21:21] <hyperair> heheh
[21:21] <hyperair> it does look quite hard to put back, actually
[21:21] <hyperair> er not "look"
[21:21] <hyperair> it *is*
[21:21] <hyperair> X_X
[21:30] <jmarki> time taken = 1050mins x 2 = 2100mins then
[21:35] <hyperair> O_o
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[21:46] <icedwater> dwu: How's the weather out at the Esplanade?
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[21:48] <SilverWolf> Hi!
[21:49] <SilverWolf> elfgoh, What is the name of the event at wednesday?
[21:54] <elfgoh> SilverWolf: Singapore Ruby Brigade meetup
[21:54] <SilverWolf> elfgoh, ah cool
[21:55] <SilverWolf> thanks
[21:55] <elfgoh> SilverWolf: I will dig out the details and post soon
[21:57] <SilverWolf> oki cool
[21:58] <elfgoh> remind me in 2 hours to post up information about SRB meetup
[21:58] <marice_nus> elfgoh: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sat Aug 29 23:58:09 SGT 2009
[21:58] <SilverWolf> hehe
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[22:22] <marice_nus> elfgoh: You asked me to remind you to apply leave
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[23:58] <marice_nus> elfgoh: You asked me to remind you to post up information about SRB meetup
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