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[0:57] <triplez> sorry SilverWolf
[0:57] <triplez> my brother reset the router
[0:57] <SilverWolf> ...
[0:57] <SilverWolf> We kind of missed you :) As we just conceeded
[0:57] <SilverWolf> Sleet tight
[0:57] <SilverWolf> sleep
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[0:58] <icedwater> Hello!
[0:58] <icedwater> How was the game? :P
[1:00] <icedwater> kelvinq: ping :D
[1:01] <kelvinq> hey icedwater !
[1:01] <kelvinq> what's up?
[1:01] <icedwater> kelvinq: Tried to call you today.
[1:01] <kelvinq> you did?
[1:02] <icedwater> See /query.
[1:02] <kelvinq> oops. was sleeping.
[1:02] <icedwater> :D
[1:02] <kelvinq> icedwater: what's up?
[1:02] <icedwater> It's OK, it's the weekend.
[1:39] <marice_nus> icedwater: You asked me to remind you to ask kelvinq about meeting room rental when I next see him.
[1:41] <icedwater> There we go :D
[1:44] <icedwater> remind kelvinq in 12 hours to update the hackerspacesg wiki with his suggestions :)
[1:44] <icedwater> remind me in 12 hours to smack kelvinq to update the hackerspacesg wiki with his suggestions :)
[1:44] <marice_nus> icedwater: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sun Sep 06 13:44:23 SGT 2009
[1:44] <kelvinq> remind icedwater to not to forget to remind marice_nus to remind me.
[1:47] <icedwater> !seen ruiwen
[1:47] <megan_> I last saw ruiwen on Sat Sep 5 13:49:47 2009.
[1:47] <kelvinq> !seen kelvinq
[1:47] <megan_> kelvinq is currently online.
[1:47] <kelvinq> !seen megan_
[1:47] <megan_> megan_ is currently online.
[1:48] <icedwater> /ping elfgoh triplez
[1:48] <triplez> yes icedwater
[1:48] <kelvinq> !seen megan_fox
[1:48] <megan_> Humm, I don't remember that nick.
[1:48] <kelvinq> megan_: you don't know megan_fox?
[1:49] * hyperair facepalms
[1:49] * icedwater peers intently at kelvinq and megan_ ... is this a budding relationship?
[1:50] * kelvinq breathes hyperair .
[1:50] * hyperair shivers
[1:50] <hyperair> running badblocks on /dev/sda sure takes a long time
[1:54] <kelvinq> hyperair: fsck?
[1:55] <hyperair> i'm not sure which filesysetm the bad block is in
[1:55] <hyperair> i just know that smartd decided to send me some hate mail today
[1:55] <hyperair> too many layers is not good eh..
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[1:55] <hyperair> /dev/sda => partitions => cryptsetup => lvm => more partitions => filesystems
[1:57] <kelvinq> hyperair: why do you do that?
[1:57] <hyperair> it's a typical lvm-on-dmcrypt setup
[1:57] <hyperair> haevn't you heard of it?
[1:58] <kelvinq> i use trucrypt.
[1:58] <hyperair> it doesn't encrypt your swap
[1:58] <hyperair> if you hibernate, i can grab your password from your swap image.
[1:59] <kelvinq> oh.
[1:59] <kelvinq> now, that's tricky.
[2:00] <hyperair> mmhmm
[2:01] <hyperair> but having your swap on lvm inside cryptsetup will get you somewher
[2:01] <kelvinq> or... you can just turnoff swap.
[2:02] <hyperair> then i can't hibernate.
[2:02] <hyperair> my setup allows me to have an encrypted home, swap and root in one volume
[2:03] <hyperair> and an easily changeable setup partition structure, at least within the LVM.
[2:03] <kelvinq> but it's going to be kinda slow...
[2:03] <hyperair> it isn't really.
[2:04] <hyperair> lemme show some benchmarks..
[2:05] <hyperair> okay, i take that back. there is a significant difference
[2:06] <hyperair> http://pastebin.com/f4694c541
[2:06] <hyperair> at least where cached reads is concerned, there isn't much difference.
[2:07] <kelvinq> hyperair: i would do that next time then... try it out at least.
[2:07] <hyperair> =)
[2:07] <kelvinq> but i guess the biggest security risk is not the hdd... but rather with passwords.
[2:08] <hyperair> indeed.
[2:09] <hyperair> http://pastebin.com/f19b6ea03 a second benchmark
[2:10] * hyperair continues badblock
[2:41] * kelvinq goes hit the bed,
[2:41] <kelvinq> .
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[2:43] <icedwater> sng: Been lurking a lot lately, busy days eh?
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[12:37] <SilverWolf> Hey guys
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[12:41] <jarick> :(
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[12:55] <concernedcitizen> hay
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[13:24] <jarick> triplez!
[13:24] <triplez> jarick!
[13:25] <concernedcitizen> triplez! jarick!
[13:26] <jarick> How is everyone this Sunday afternoon?
[13:27] <concernedcitizen> boring :(
[13:27] <concernedcitizen> trying to find neighbours to go lim kopi
[13:27] <jarick> concernedcitizen: And where are you then?
[13:27] <concernedcitizen> serangoon.
[13:27] <jarick> I see.
[13:27] <jarick> I was there this morning.
[13:28] <concernedcitizen> I was in bedok this morning
[13:28] <triplez> i'm going to sengkang now
[13:28] <triplez> if anyone is interested to lim kopi
[13:30] * jarick is in Yishun
[13:40] <concernedcitizen> ok
[13:40] <concernedcitizen> found a kaki
[13:40] <concernedcitizen> going to r.k house
[13:43] <triplez> ok
[13:43] <triplez> cya concernedcitizen
[13:44] <marice_nus> icedwater: You asked me to remind you to smack kelvinq to update the hackerspacesg wiki with his suggestions :)
[13:55] * jarick wants a DIP extracter that causes the chip to teleport out of the socket without bent pins.
[13:55] <jarick> Instead of flying across the room.
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[14:01] <kelvinq> triplez: lim kopi sounds good.
[14:01] * kelvinq is in Yishun.
[14:02] <kelvinq> jarick: meetup?
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[14:54] <jarick> Damn.
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[15:17] <ruiwen> !twitter RT @harishpillay: The CHOPE protocol - http://itsc.org.sg/upload/download/16/chope.pdf
[15:21] <jarick> ruiwen: Err, a bit too localized for an april fool's RFC
[15:23] <ruiwen> jarick: useful to share that interesting part of our culture though
[15:25] * jarick wonders if setting a tripflare in the surrounding area would be an acceptable solution.
[15:26] <icedwater> Heh, well, it is a bit too localised, but it's cute anyway :)
[15:26] <concernedcitizen> I'm actually pretty :) that the tissue paper system works
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[15:26] <concernedcitizen> an unspoken rule that everyone respects
[15:26] <concernedcitizen> 8)
[15:26] <concernedcitizen> I was a skeptic, until I tried it, and now I can't go back.
[15:27] <jarick> concernedcitizen: Tripflares?
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[15:29] * Silverwolf thinks he is getting pretty good to know when it the NUS Wireless that fucks up and when it is his computer.. READ NUS WIRELESS IS LIKE CRAP :p
[15:29] <concernedcitizen> imagine if sheldon was caught in a situation where 2.2.3 was invoked
[15:30] <ruiwen> Silverwolf: connection issues?
[15:37] * icedwater pats Silverwolf on the back. It's OK, it's OK.
[15:37] <icedwater> concernedcitizen: you're actually pretty? Go upload photos...
[15:38] <icedwater> jarick: Why tripflares? Just a couple of those primary-school staple traps will do, and they're much lower budget.
[15:39] <icedwater> You know, the ones where you take two staples and twist them together so they look like barbed wire... toss a few on the choped seat and cover them with a piece of tissue paper, preferably from the packet used to chope the seat.
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[15:51] <dwu> icedwater: caltrops.
[15:52] <icedwater> Ah yeah.
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[15:58] <jarick> dwu: Entirely different thing.
[15:58] <jarick> Also, I have got a whole lb of d4s.
[15:58] <icedwater> Hm... what are those, and why?
[15:59] <jarick> icedwater: The problem with staples is that you don't get the oh-so-entertaining *bwoosh-fwumph* sound.
[15:59] <dwu> icedwater: foursided dice?
[15:59] <dwu> jarick: same principle.
[15:59] <jarick> And you don't get the more entertaining MG firing noises.
[15:59] <jarick> And they tend to live after the experience.
[16:00] <jarick> dwu: The staples are less rigid.
[16:00] <dwu> same principle, nonetheless.
[16:01] <jarick> dwu: Also, you don't get a pile of random numbers when you drop staples.
[16:01] <jarick> That's half the fun.
[16:01] <dwu> maybe -you- don't.
[16:02] <jarick> dwu: Your staples have numbers?
[16:03] <dwu> yours don't?
[16:03] <jarick> They don't.
[16:04] <jarick> Certainly, I could use the level of pointiness, correlated to jump height as an entropy source.
[16:04] <jarick> But d4s make for a cooler rattling sound.
[16:04] <icedwater> Oh, those d4s, I thought it was some army store nickname :P
[16:06] <jarick> icedwater: Sssh, she's in the RSN. I hear they hate groundpounders.
[16:07] <dwu> not rsn.
[16:07] <jarick> dwu: Joint?
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[16:07] <jarick> kelvinq: Excellent.
[16:08] <dwu> not joint.
[16:08] <kelvinq> jarick?
[16:08] <kelvinq> excellent?
[16:08] <jarick> 14:01 * kelvinq is in Yishun.
[16:08] <jarick> 14:02 < kelvinq> jarick: meetup?
[16:08] <kelvinq> nice.
[16:08] <kelvinq> when?
[16:08] <jarick> Where are you?
[16:08] <jarick> dwu: Where then?
[16:09] <dwu> who cares.
[16:09] <jarick> I do!
[16:09] <jarick> Or you can't say?
[16:09] <kelvinq> i stay near the the McDonalds drivethru on Sembawang Road.
[16:09] <jarick> Near Transit Rd?
[16:10] * icedwater snickers at dwu and jarick.
[16:10] <jarick> Snickers!
[16:10] <jarick> I have a box!
[16:10] <icedwater> That's not enough.
[16:10] <kelvinq> nah. that's far.
[16:10] <icedwater> cc
[16:11] <icedwater> *sigh*
[16:11] <kelvinq> on Sembwang Road actually, 10 mins woalk from Chong Pang.
[16:12] <jarick> Let me see how my schedule works out tonight.
[16:12] <kelvinq> oooook.
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[16:13] <jarick> kelvinq doubles as The Librarian?
[16:16] <kelvinq> nope. more like a sex pot
[16:17] <dwu> *ha* like hell.
[16:40] <kelvinq> heh.
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[16:45] <jarick> kelvinq: No can do.
[16:45] <jarick> Shitty night today, duty tomorrow.
[16:47] <kelvinq> jarick: next time then. i'm always around. :)
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[17:40] <jmarki> sigh... nus email is down again
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[17:53] <jarick> kelvinq: Sure.
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[18:02] <concernedcitizen> anybody uses an e71 here?
[18:02] <concernedcitizen> or e63
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[18:12] <concernedcitizen> http://baens-universe.com/articles/When_Sysadmins_Ruled_the_Earth engrossed
[18:15] <ziroday> concernedcitizen: it really is quite good
[18:16] <concernedcitizen> yeah
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[18:20] <concernedcitizen> Van scratched his raw, flaking skin. Puffs of dander and scurf swirled in the musty, greasy air. Sario curled a lip at him. "That is disgusting. We're breathing recycled air, you know. Whatever leprosy is eating you, aerosolizing it into the air supply is pretty anti-social." "You're the world's leading authority on anti-social, Sario," Van said. "Go away or I'll multi-tool you to death." He stopped scratching and patted his she
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[18:39] <concernedcitizen> HoN-y? icedwater ziroday elfgoh?
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[18:44] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: gotta run some errands
[18:44] <jmarki> o.O armageddon...
[18:45] <elfgoh> jmarki: you should play strength heroes in HoN based on your play style..
[18:45] <jmarki> why?
[18:45] <concernedcitizen> trying to get openid authentication working mmm
[18:46] <elfgoh> jmarki: bcos you like to fight head on
[18:46] <jmarki> how else to fight?!?!?
[18:46] <elfgoh> jmarki: and you don't like to run even when the odds against you
[18:46] <elfgoh> jmarki: and dying to creeps and not enemy heroes is quite bad
[18:47] <jmarki> whahahahah
[18:47] <jmarki> true...
[18:49] <elfgoh> Thunderbringer is quite low health hero
[18:49] <elfgoh> so natural for people to aim him
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[19:33] <iced-phone> how's the weekend been for everyone?
[19:35] <iced-phone> Still on, apparently.
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[19:46] <ziroday> concernedcitizen: I don't have HoN :(
[19:47] <concernedcitizen> :(
[19:47] <concernedcitizen> go get it!
[19:47] <concernedcitizen> hehe
[19:47] <ziroday> open beta?
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[19:48] <concernedcitizen> lemme see if i got invites
[19:49] <concernedcitizen> what's your email :)
[19:49] <concernedcitizen> oh wait
[19:49] <concernedcitizen> damnt. i got 0 invites
[19:50] <concernedcitizen> I think the rest of them might have invites
[19:52] <ziroday> no worries
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[20:09] <kelvinq> concernedcitizen: i used to use an e71.
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[20:59] <triplez> HoN anyone?
[21:00] <concernedcitizen> i'm ons. but lets make it at least a 2v2
[21:00] <JeremiahViztree> Hon
[21:00] <JeremiahViztree> who Honing?
[21:01] <kelvinq> ons?
[21:01] <kelvinq> concernedcitizen is getting laid?
[21:02] <concernedcitizen> kelvinq: that would be nice.
[21:02] <JeremiahViztree> who honing
[21:03] <kelvinq> concernedcitizen: heh!
[21:03] <concernedcitizen> I'm HoN-y
[21:03] <JeremiahViztree> ok who create?
[21:04] <triplez> wait for me
[21:04] <triplez> i'm coming
[21:04] <dwu> *snigger*
[21:04] <concernedcitizen> man lots of innuendos
[21:05] <triplez> hehee
[21:05] <JeremiahViztree> so we meet in game?
[21:05] <JeremiahViztree> our clan channel?
[21:05] <dwu> Yeah, the fun of innuendo is -not- pointing it out...
[21:06] <concernedcitizen> ok lemme type one more line of code before i launch the gam
[21:06] <JeremiahViztree> no
[21:06] <JeremiahViztree> No!
[21:06] <JeremiahViztree> u take too long
[21:07] <concernedcitizen> LONG.
[21:07] <JeremiahViztree> ok i go in game now
[21:07] <concernedcitizen> ok, i'm going in
[21:07] <JeremiahViztree> afk from here now
[21:08] <concernedcitizen> lets hopes I do'nt crashes
[21:09] <concernedcitizen> oops updating
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[21:14] <hyperair> what's the average lifespan of a notebook hard disk, does anyone know?
[21:14] <hyperair> in uptime hours i mean
[21:14] <jmarki> < 5 years?
[21:14] <jmarki> <<< 5 years?
[21:14] <triplez_> depending on the size
[21:14] <concernedcitizen> 2 years max.
[21:14] <jmarki> depending on how much you shake it
[21:15] <triplez_> the larger it is, the shorter the lifespan
[21:15] <concernedcitizen> HoN game
[21:15] <triplez_> maximum warranty i've seen for a harddisk is 3years
[21:15] <triplez_> so you go figure
[21:16] <jmarki> yeah... notebook harddisks lifespan is very variable
[21:16] <hyperair> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3904250&postcount=2 this says 5k-7k hours.
[21:16] <hyperair> my notebook hard disk is hitting 7k hours already
[21:16] <triplez_> is it dying?
[21:16] <hyperair> according to smartctl's selftest logs
[21:16] <hyperair> there are bad sectors
[21:16] <jmarki> hyperair: it doesn't really work that way, you know...
[21:17] <hyperair> the otherday smartd sent me a load of hate mail
[21:17] <hyperair> i wonder if i've bumped it too much while carrying it around
[21:17] <jmarki> manufacturers have a "mean-time-between-failures" metric which they engineer the harddisks to
[21:17] <hyperair> mean-time-between-failures?
[21:18] <hyperair> what's that?
[21:18] <jmarki> but that never indicate the statistics for bumping your harddisk when you are too excited
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[21:18] <concernedcitizen> e6400 vs t400 mang
[21:19] <hyperair> well i'm still wondering what's the average
[21:20] <hyperair> if my hard disk was brand new when i bought my notebook, then it's only been around for slightly over a year
[21:21] <jmarki> then you should simply go replace the harddisk. it's still under warranty
[21:21] <jmarki> laptop harddisks always get bumped around...
[21:24] <hyperair> my notebook's warranty wore out last month
[21:24] <jmarki> tsk tsk....
[21:24] <hyperair> X_X
[21:24] <concernedcitizen> wut just happened in HoN
[21:24] <jmarki> open up the harddisk, check the manufacter's website to see if they allow direct replacements
[21:25] <jmarki> harddisk manufacturer
[21:25] <hyperair> hmm
[21:25] <hyperair> as in the hard disk manufacturer's warranty?
[21:26] * elfgoh heard HoN
[21:26] <concernedcitizen> elfgoh
[21:26] <concernedcitizen> we're in game now
[21:26] <concernedcitizen> as in game lobby
[21:26] <concernedcitizen> waiting for pubbies
[21:26] <concernedcitizen> come on in
[21:27] <elfgoh> ok
[21:27] <elfgoh> ziroday: do you want a key?
[21:27] <ziyong> elfgoh: quite come
[21:27] <ziyong> quick
[21:27] <concernedcitizen> i love dual monitors
[21:27] <concernedcitizen> 8)
[21:28] <ziroday> elfgoh: hmm?
[21:28] <ziroday> elfgoh: oh yes please
[21:28] <elfgoh> ziroday: pm me email
[21:28] <triplez> elfgoh: everyone is waiting for you
[21:29] <ziroday> elfgoh: pm'd
[21:29] <ziroday> (and no rush)
[21:29] <jmarki> hyperair: yah
[21:31] <ziyong> elfgoh: where ar eu
[21:31] * concernedcitizen licks elfgoh
[21:31] <elfgoh> ziyong: getting ip nw
[21:31] <elfgoh> invite me
[21:31] <hyperair> jmarki: lemme see.. i think it's western digital
[21:31] <dwu> WD hard drive? Erk.
[21:32] <hyperair> is there something wrong with WD hard drives?
[21:32] <dwu> They're slightly unreliable.
[21:32] <hyperair> ouch
[21:34] <hyperair> hmph. WD says no warranty for me
[21:35] <jarick> dwu: Slightly?
[21:35] <dwu> *shrug* I've had the one, and I'm not getting another.
[21:35] <jmarki> hyperair: eh? how did you know?
[21:36] <hyperair> jmarki: search using serial number
[21:36] <hyperair> jmarki: their site (actually most manufacturers' sites) allow you to check your warranty status based on your serial number
[21:36] <hyperair> hal-device shows it
[21:36] <jmarki> hyperair: wah...
[21:37] <jmarki> hyperair: shutdown your notebook? pull out the harddisk to physically see the number?
[21:37] <hyperair> otherwise it should be on the sticker inside
[21:37] <hyperair> i'm quite sure this is the correct serial
[21:37] <hyperair> otherwise it'd have rejected
[21:37] * jmarki have never seen a harddisk without any warranty
[21:37] <hyperair> the information it says is quite correct too. basically the hard disk was sold to another manufacturer
[21:37] <jmarki> s/have/has/
[21:37] <hyperair> i.e. lenovo
[21:38] <hyperair> so lenovo should be the one handling the warranty
[21:38] <hyperair> just that my notebook warranty's gone
[21:38] <jmarki> then you have a ploy: ask lenovo whether can do extended warranty
[21:38] <jmarki> wait a few weeks, then WHAAHAHAH
[21:38] <hyperair> lol
[21:38] <hyperair> can meh?
[21:38] <jmarki> ask lah
[21:38] <hyperair> hmm i'll see lah
[21:38] <hyperair> see whether getting a new hard disk is cheaper or buying their extended warranty
[21:39] <hyperair> considering my warranty expired last month
[21:39] <jmarki> my notebook had extensive surgery by the time it died
[21:39] <hyperair> extensive surgery how?
[21:39] <jmarki> changed harddisks, keyboards, hinge
[21:39] <jmarki> dvd-rw drive
[21:39] <jmarki> 3 years warranty is wonderful. =D
[21:41] <jmarki> afk...
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[21:42] <hyperair> lol
[21:43] <hyperair> my dvd-rw drive refused to read dvds just before my warranty ended
[21:43] <hyperair> a cleaning dvd fixed that though
[22:01] <elfgoh> ziyong: need ur vote
[22:01] <elfgoh> to concede
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[22:11] <concernedcitizen> oops
[22:11] <concernedcitizen> laptop crashed and died.
[22:11] <concernedcitizen> triplez?
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[23:11] <Silverwolf> :p
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[23:32] * Silverwolf is downloading wikipedia
[23:32] * hyperair downloads the internet
[23:33] <hyperair> http://www.w3schools.com/downloadwww.htm for the unenlightened
[23:34] <Silverwolf> hyperair, hehe i mean it :p
[23:34] <hyperair> O_o
[23:34] <Silverwolf> http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/latest/enwiki-latest-pages-articles.xml.bz2
[23:34] <Silverwolf> 5.1 gb compressed
[23:36] <hyperair> woah
[23:37] <hyperair> that's enough to screw my /home over
[23:37] <hyperair> i have ~4.8G remaining
[23:37] <Silverwolf> hyperair, haha cool :p
[23:37] <Silverwolf> silverwolf@MiNiNiNJA:~$ df -h
[23:37] <Silverwolf> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[23:37] <Silverwolf> /dev/sdb1 9,2G 6,0G 2,8G 69% /
[23:37] <hyperair> it's not cool T_T
[23:38] <Silverwolf> /dev/sdb5 49G 4,0G 43G 9% /home
[23:38] <hyperair> meh
[23:38] <Silverwolf> But that is again my hole disk :/
[23:38] <hyperair> /dev/mapper/cryptostuff-home 126G 121G 4.8G 97% /home
[23:38] <Silverwolf> crypto stuff.. paranoid? :D
[23:38] <hyperair> ;-)
[23:39] <Silverwolf> I would only encrypt something if I had anything to hide...
[23:39] <hyperair> i've got a gpg private key and ssh private key in this notebook
[23:39] <hyperair> obviously i've got something to hide
[23:39] <Silverwolf> Are you running Windows behind the scenes?
[23:39] <hyperair> ...
[23:39] <Silverwolf> I bet that is what you are doing in that crypting stuff
[23:39] <Silverwolf> :D
[23:39] <hyperair> let me show you my /etc/crypttab and see if you still believe so
[23:40] <hyperair> # <target name> <source device> <key file> <options>
[23:40] <hyperair> cryptostuff /dev/sda2 none luks
[23:40] <Silverwolf> No key file?
[23:40] <hyperair> now then. do you seriously believe windows can access a LUKS encrypted partition?
[23:40] <hyperair> keyfiles are dangerous.
[23:40] <Silverwolf> What is used as a LUKS encryption=?
[23:40] <Silverwolf> AES256?
[23:40] <hyperair> lemme go man it again
[23:41] <Silverwolf> I mean that you run a vm insite your crypto drive :D
[23:41] <hyperair> cbc-essiv:sha256
[23:41] <hyperair> oh, a VM? yeah i do
[23:41] <hyperair> with windows in it
[23:41] <hyperair> but only when everything else fails
[23:41] <Silverwolf> hehe
[23:41] <hyperair> e.g. connecting to NTU's VPN
[23:41] * jmarki is ruing about hon.... maplestory seems more fun... sigh...
[23:41] <Silverwolf> ... ehe... i used 1� hour today to fix my wireless for nus network
[23:42] <hyperair> or trying to view lecture slides from that stupid crippled blackboard NTU has
[23:42] <Silverwolf> haha
[23:42] <hyperair> i mean lecture videos
[23:42] <Silverwolf> ah yea, it is fucked
[23:42] <Silverwolf> That we need IE for it to work
[23:42] <Silverwolf> .. doh ...
[23:42] <hyperair> i mean come on, if you seriously want to use that activex nonsense, at least provide a bloody link to download it!
[23:43] <hyperair> don't make me reverse engineer the bloody page for 30 minutes just to get a url i can stick into mplayer
[23:43] <Silverwolf> hehe
[23:43] <hyperair> =.=
[23:43] <Silverwolf> amen
[23:43] <hyperair> actually you know what? i think i'll do just that
[23:43] <hyperair> complain, i mean
[23:43] <Silverwolf> ah... yea, sure :D
[23:43] <jmarki> hyperair: complaining in nus for years helped...
[23:44] <hyperair> no wait. those pricks will probably interpret reverse engineering as hacking
[23:44] <hyperair> and screw me over for violating blah blah
[23:44] <jmarki> hyperair: nononono... complain as ntuoss
[23:44] <hyperair> ah
[23:44] <hyperair> good idea
[23:45] <Silverwolf> I dont think they need the technical solution for the complain... :p
[23:45] <Silverwolf> I mean, how to reverse it
[23:46] <Silverwolf> You should write an script for it
[23:46] <Silverwolf> that does it automatically
[23:48] <hyperair> not easy
[23:49] <hyperair> if it were something automatable i'd already hack up something using libcurl to get it done
[23:49] <hyperair> there are god knows how many different scripts in the stupid aculearn software thing
[23:49] <hyperair> and it implements some stupid browser checks that terminate the script early and so on
[23:50] <hyperair> the actual activex control is also implemented using some document.write() iirc
[23:50] <jmarki> hyperair: wine is your friend
[23:51] <hyperair> jmarki: try getting ies4linux with windows media player working
[23:51] <Silverwolf> Wikipedia is downloaded 9%
[23:51] <Silverwolf> hyperair, what about vmware workstation 6.5?
[23:51] <Silverwolf> It offer unity
[23:51] <Silverwolf> You wouldnt even know that it was windows :p
[23:52] <hyperair> Silverwolf: you cannot fail more by asking me to use vmware workstation.
[23:52] <hyperair> seriously
[23:52] <Silverwolf> That is a awesome product
[23:52] <hyperair> bullcrap
[23:52] <jmarki> hyperair: yeah...
[23:52] <hyperair> it's as heavyweight as you can get
[23:52] <Silverwolf> hyperair, lol... not at all. It just works
[23:52] <jmarki> at least the old vmware server is. don't like the new one
[23:53] <hyperair> Silverwolf: yeah yeah just works as long as you've got 4x as much RAM as you actually need.
[23:53] <Silverwolf> jmarki, VMware ESX is your friend if you go that way
[23:53] <hyperair> the old vmware server was fine
[23:53] <hyperair> the new vmware server is bullcrap
[23:53] <hyperair> of all things, web interface?!
[23:53] <hyperair> don't make me laugh goddamnit
[23:53] <Silverwolf> hyperair, why you wanna run vmware server?
[23:53] <jmarki> Silverwolf: nope.... me decided to use virtualbox then
[23:53] <hyperair> because i don't want to pay for vmware workstation?
[23:54] <jmarki> hyperair: don't use that version, get the previous release. it's much much better
[23:54] <Silverwolf> jmarki, a shame, VMware ESX is a hole other beast. It is so nice
[23:54] <jmarki> or virtualbox....
[23:54] <hyperair> jmarki: virtualbox owns the old vmware server.
[23:54] <hyperair> jmarki: 10 times over.
[23:54] <jmarki> Silverwolf: vmware esx is not for testing operating systems...
[23:54] <hyperair> vmware server won't even boot without causing ubuntu to completely thrash over and OOM
[23:54] <Silverwolf> hyperair, lol.. dont wanna pay... That is so silly for oss people, we dont wanna pay for our application, even if what we get is 10 times better
[23:55] <jmarki> hyperair: sure it's not ubuntu? =D
[23:55] <hyperair> both VMs running with the same spec
[23:55] <Silverwolf> jmarki, what do you mean? :-)
[23:55] <hyperair> Silverwolf: i can make do with what i can get free.
[23:55] <jmarki> Silverwolf: sysmins use VMs as their playground... esx is not suitable as a playground...
[23:55] <hyperair> Silverwolf: your thinking can lead you to buy stuff with all the bells and whistles you end up never using.
[23:55] <Silverwolf> hyperair, hehe... well, it is hard to argue with you as I hear that you dont know what you are talking about :-)
[23:56] <hyperair> Silverwolf: you are the one who doesn't know what you're talking about :-)
[23:56] <jmarki> hyperair: developers need to eat, you know...
[23:56] <Silverwolf> hyperair, VMware ESXi is free? :-)
[23:56] <jmarki> Silverwolf: esx is _baremetal_
[23:56] <Silverwolf> jmarki, well, yea, it depends. I use vmware esx for testing operating systems
[23:56] <hyperair> gimme a vmware that runs as lightweight as virtualbox does with the same VM spec, plus vmware addons, free.
[23:56] <hyperair> and i'll consider it
[23:57] <Silverwolf> vmware esxi
[23:57] <jmarki> yeah, if you can justify to management why you need another server for testing vms...
[23:57] <hyperair> with the same featureset
[23:57] <Silverwolf> hyperair, vmware esxi :-) That will be your friend
[23:57] <Silverwolf> hyperair, what do virtualbox do that vmware esxi do not?
[23:57] <jmarki> not baremetal? =D
[23:57] <hyperair> Silverwolf: i'm not familiar with the featureset of esxi.
[23:57] <hyperair> Silverwolf: i've only ever used player and server.
[23:58] <Silverwolf> jmarki, exactly, if you wanna do virtualization, you want it to run as fast as possible
[23:58] <Silverwolf> hyperair, then I understand you are disapointed
[23:58] <jmarki> nononono... if you want to play with operating systems, you don't need a baremetal system
[23:58] <Silverwolf> jmarki, no ofcause not :-)
[23:58] <hyperair> Silverwolf: i'm going to look into esxi, but i don't think it's going to change my mind
[23:58] <jmarki> you only need something that can run that freaking vm...
[23:59] <Silverwolf> hyperair, hehe, maybe not :-) But solutions that just works cost money. Which I will gladly give for the stability and robustness that vmware workstation / vmware esx offers
[23:59] <Silverwolf> jmarki, hehe yea ofcause. Then any vm will do. :-)
[23:59] <Silverwolf> vm -> vm hypervisor
[23:59] <hyperair> Silverwolf: suit yourself. i'm not running my VM on a rock-solid server. i'm running it on my notebook, which has limited resources.
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