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[0:11] <ruiwen> yq: how're the posters coming along btw?
[0:14] <concernedcitizen> bg :(
[0:16] <ruiwen> @coreteam: see the join/ spreadsheet.. we have replies! =)
[0:19] <triplez> wow
[0:19] <triplez> we have many replies
[0:19] <yq> ruiwen: really half done draft. but probably get it done tonight
[0:19] <ruiwen> yq: thanks thanks so much
[0:19] <ruiwen> yq: you need more text?
[0:20] <triplez> yooo we've got one person to do art and design posters
[0:20] <triplez> eh ruiwen... we've just ensured the survival of linuxnus
[0:20] <triplez> yay~
[0:20] <ruiwen> yay!
[0:20] <ruiwen> =D
[0:20] <elfgoh> hmmm
[0:20] <triplez> The Day Ruiwen & Elfgoh Saved LinuxNUS!
[0:21] <elfgoh> well don't be happy too soon
[0:21] <triplez> *scribbles in his calendar*
[0:21] <triplez> small victories... :P
[0:21] <elfgoh> Let's wait till we can completely let go the reins before we celebrate
[0:21] <ruiwen> indeed
[0:21] <elfgoh> Now now... do we need to meet tomorrow?
[0:21] <ruiwen> that will be the happy day
[0:21] <triplez> lol... elfgoh... small victories first
[0:21] <triplez> it helps with motivation
[0:21] <elfgoh> To fam everyone with the installation process?
[0:21] <ruiwen> elfgoh: what do we have left to prep
[0:22] <ruiwen> i don't mind a run through
[0:22] <elfgoh> hmmmm let me look at the doc...
[0:22] <yq> wah
[0:22] <concernedcitizen> have you guys seen the HP envy?
[0:22] <yq> get me in then let the reins! tsk tsk tsk
[0:22] <yq> ruiwen: yeah. triplez: done with the text
[0:23] <elfgoh> yq: when i say let the reins go... means only active students handle... we all graduates just mentor :)
[0:23] <jmarki> where's the form? =/
[0:23] <yq> ruiwen: there'll be main points.. thus the 3 lines of dots... and there'd be a big linuxnus.. and some background thingy... maybe some distro balls flying aaround
[0:23] <yq> elfgoh: =P
[0:24] <ruiwen> jmarki: docs.linuxnus.org
[0:24] * elfgoh bribes yq with more beer
[0:24] <ruiwen> yq: distro balls!
[0:24] <jmarki> which one?!
[0:24] <triplez> distro balls?
[0:24] <yq> ooooo TC50 starts
[0:24] <yq> yeah
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[0:24] <elfgoh> Seems that Sys admin is a pretty favourite topic
[0:25] <elfgoh> Together with running window applications
[0:25] <triplez> nobody rsvp for install fest?
[0:26] <yq> ruiwen: triplez: these balls http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Distro+balls?content=74628
[0:27] <ini_> whoa, nice art
[0:27] <triplez> awww so cute!
[0:27] <ngiin> @coreteam: what have i missed?
[0:27] <ruiwen> haha like dragon balls
[0:27] <triplez> yeah
[0:27] <yq> hah
[0:27] <ruiwen> ngiin: yo see docs
[0:27] <jmarki> ruiwen: which one!?!?
[0:27] <ngiin> ngiin: which one?
[0:27] <elfgoh> yq: really cute ^_^
[0:27] <ruiwen> jmarki: the Join doc
[0:28] <jmarki> ruiwen: don't have?!
[0:28] <yq> hah
[0:28] <yq> yeah..
[0:28] <triplez> remember the cute tux too yq!
[0:28] <ruiwen> jmarki: the top few on the list should be it.. read the doc names
[0:28] <yq> triplez: already in
[0:28] <yq> ruiwen: is the tux cute?
[0:28] <yq> i draw one ok!
[0:28] <yq> haha
[0:28] <jmarki> ruiwen: eh... none of them fits
[0:28] <ruiwen> jmarki: did you get the email letting you know the docs were shared?
[0:28] <elfgoh> @coreteam.... i suggest we meet tomorrow? Do a final coord for Thur
[0:28] <ngiin> ruiwen: not chicks amongst the names...
[0:28] <elfgoh> and also for Sat
[0:28] <ruiwen> yq: power lah looks damn good
[0:28] <elfgoh> And forecast for sem break and beyond
[0:29] <elfgoh> Everyone on?
[0:29] <ruiwen> (and super glossy! =)
[0:29] * ruiwen sees the shiny
[0:29] <yq> triplez: let me have the wordings yea
[0:29] <ruiwen> ngiin: sorry to disappoint ngiin =(
[0:29] <triplez> yq: you don't have it ?
[0:29] <ruiwen> elfgoh: i'm on
[0:29] <elfgoh> ruiwen: excellent
[0:30] <yq> triplez: was it those that u sent me that day?
[0:30] <elfgoh> so same thing dinner orders at linuxnus room?
[0:30] <triplez> yeah...
[0:30] <jmarki> ruiwen: nope
[0:30] <yq> triplez: damn i didnt keep those. can u send it to me?
[0:30] <triplez> gah
[0:30] <triplez> sec... it's on my external
[0:30] <ngiin> tml, can't do. need to go airport..
[0:31] <ngiin> any action items for me...?
[0:31] <jmarki> ruiwen: okay, finally saw it. only appeared after i clicked that email link... wtf
[0:31] <elfgoh> ngiin: you will be there on Thur right?
[0:31] <ngiin> thursday can....
[0:31] <ngiin> bootcamp?
[0:31] <ngiin> ubuntu?
[0:31] <elfgoh> ngiin: installfest
[0:31] <elfgoh> primary Ubuntu
[0:32] <ngiin> roger...
[0:32] <ngiin> can...
[0:32] <elfgoh> I will prepare notes for the installation steps
[0:32] <elfgoh> ngiin: can i leave you to order pizza?
[0:32] <ngiin> i will run it one time throught tomorrow night?
[0:32] <elfgoh> I pay
[0:32] <ngiin> for thursday?
[0:32] <ngiin> how many?>
[0:32] <elfgoh> yea Thur
[0:32] <ngiin> pizza is not cheat...
[0:32] <ngiin> *cheap!
[0:33] <elfgoh> ngiin: we got a lot of positive feedback about the food. And i am happy to spend
[0:33] <triplez> ngiin: we'll chip in
[0:33] <jmarki> elfgoh: we forgot to ask people to repartition their hdds first!! arrgh
[0:33] <triplez> repartitioning is quick
[0:33] <jmarki> no..... why would it be quick??
[0:33] <elfgoh> vista can do it natively
[0:33] <ruiwen> elfgoh: we had one positive feedback mentioning food, no? =P
[0:33] <yq> ruiwen: A1 size right?
[0:33] <triplez> i've got hirens boot cd on my thumb if anyone needs
[0:33] <ruiwen> yq: yeah
[0:34] <triplez> thumbdrive i mean
[0:34] <jmarki> live shrinking?!?
[0:34] <elfgoh> unsure about windows 7 and xp partitioning
[0:34] <ruiwen> hm. did we ask people to back up though?
[0:34] <ruiwen> that's important
[0:34] <elfgoh> ngiin: just be our food ic. I pay seriously
[0:34] <ruiwen> hm yeah we did, it's on the RSVP
[0:35] <ruiwen> jmarki: your ? key spoilt tonight?
[0:35] <elfgoh> and help take photos i guess
[0:35] <triplez> elfgoh: win xp doesn't support... win7 does
[0:35] <jmarki> ruiwen: no...?!? is a combi
[0:35] <ruiwen> btw jmarki: sysadmin as a course is popular, to time to start cranking out the courseware =)
[0:35] <triplez> hehe
[0:35] * ruiwen slaps jmarki
[0:36] <elfgoh> triplez: i see
[0:36] <triplez> elfgoh: don't worry... can use wubi
[0:36] <elfgoh> actually guys... do we want to install using wubi?
[0:36] <elfgoh> or using partitioning?
[0:36] <jmarki> ruiwen: all noobs leh... arrgh....
[0:37] <ngiin> elfgoh: this is not a sustainable solution....
[0:37] <jmarki> elfgoh: i'm thinking of preseeding
[0:37] <elfgoh> ngiin: what is not sustainable?
[0:37] <ngiin> elfgoh: are you going to be the permanent sponsor for food....
[0:37] <jmarki> free food
[0:37] <ngiin> elfgoh: we should do potluck!
[0:37] <ngiin> BYOB! BYOL! BYOF!
[0:38] <ruiwen> jmarki: well as test of how well you know your stuff is how well you can teach and make people understand =)
[0:38] <jmarki> elfgoh: have you tried the ntfs shrinking thingy? how long does it take?
[0:38] <ngiin> bring your own beer, laptop and food!
[0:38] <ruiwen> BYOL?
[0:38] <ruiwen> ah
[0:38] <concernedcitizen> amazing
[0:38] <elfgoh> ngiin: yes i intend to
[0:38] <concernedcitizen> the story about the ghost ships parked outside our coastlines have been picked up in Somethingawful's forums
[0:38] <elfgoh> ngiin: at least if I give $$ back to NUS, i want to have a say where it goes
[0:38] <ngiin> elfgoh: u put uncle bill to shame...
[0:39] <ruiwen> ah read that
[0:39] <jmarki> ruiwen: eh... i'm not going to spend $20/wk to teach someone how to type `ls -al`...
[0:39] <ngiin> lol
[0:39] <elfgoh> ngiin: of course ultimately i hope that I can put the NUS admin to shame
[0:39] <ngiin> jmarki: agreed, they should be the ppl who bring us the pizza to get us to teach them....
[0:39] <elfgoh> about not giving us $$ :p
[0:39] <ruiwen> jmarki: well, your notes should at least explain ls et al clearly, so you can breeze through that section =)
[0:40] <jmarki> ngiin: no...i'm talking about cab fare
[0:40] <ngiin> oh
[0:40] <ngiin> lol
[0:40] <elfgoh> jmarki: the shrinking of ntfs does take a while
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[0:40] <ruiwen> elfgoh: actually, why not we ask ppl to pool money on the day?
[0:40] <elfgoh> hence i am thinking that wubi is a good idea
[0:40] <jmarki> elfgoh: that's the thing... by the time it finished shrinking, installfest is over
[0:40] <ruiwen> elfgoh: gets them more involved
[0:41] <ruiwen> elfgoh: jmarki: perhaps we can have a preliminary checklist for them to go through before coming to installfest?
[0:42] <ruiwen> elfgoh: jmarki: eg. 1) Backup data 2) Defrag
[0:42] <ruiwen> then maybe partitioning on the spot wont' take that long?
[0:42] <elfgoh> so should we do a wubi?
[0:43] <ruiwen> i think we should give them the chance to do a proper dual boot too
[0:43] <jmarki> ruiwen: shrinking involves relocation of filesystem inodes. it *will* take very long
[0:43] <ruiwen> jmarki: even if, say, half of their drive is already empty?
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[0:44] <jmarki> and the horror list of things to do to make it successful using vista shrinker is rather long
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[0:44] <elfgoh> jmarki: vista shrinker very fast..
[0:44] <jmarki> ruiwen: 80gb -> 20GB on gparted takes 4hrs
[0:44] <elfgoh> gparted is slow..
[0:45] <ruiwen> elfgoh: jmarki: what can we do now to mitigate all that?
[0:45] <ruiwen> elfgoh: jmarki: prepare a wiki page for them to follow beforehand?
[0:45] <hyperair> ...shit. i zeroed out godknows how many blocks on my filesystem
[0:45] <hyperair> moral of the story: never run dd without count=
[0:45] <ruiwen> hyperair: ouch.
[0:45] <ruiwen> inded
[0:45] * hyperair curses
[0:45] <hyperair> i don't even know what files are affected!
[0:45] <elfgoh> ruiwen: D day is one day away.... i don't think it is a bright idea....
[0:45] <hyperair> brb i'm booting into recovery mode to fsck
[0:46] <jmarki> ruiwen: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/working-around-windows-vistas-shrink-volume-inadequacy-problems/ and http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/resize-a-partition-for-free-in-windows-vista/
[0:46] <ruiwen> elfgoh: we can at least try
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[0:46] <ruiwen> elfgoh: for those who have a lot of time =) if they can't, too bad, but at least we tried?
[0:46] <jmarki> elfgoh: how long did the vista one take?
[0:47] <elfgoh> ruiwen: I think the objective of the installfest is to let them have a running Linux install. I think Wubi does that very well
[0:47] <elfgoh> ruiwen: what we can do is offer wubi as the main course
[0:48] <elfgoh> ruiwen: then let them know that this is not the real deal... and that maybe those who want to do dual boot or other distros can refer to Mr X
[0:48] <elfgoh> where Mr X will be someone experienced and willing to do the mentoring
[0:50] <triplez> where Mr X = jmarki
[0:50] <triplez> :P
[0:50] <jmarki> elfgoh: any idea about user response speed for wubi on vista?
[0:50] <jmarki> as in usability? is it slooooooow?
[0:50] <elfgoh> jmarki: supposed to be slower... compared to native install. But I can't tell the difference
[0:51] <elfgoh> Not that I have 2 identical machines to find out
[0:51] <jmarki> on vista, not xp?
[0:51] <elfgoh> jmarki: you asked about vista didn't you?
[0:51] <elfgoh> My office pc has vista
[0:52] <elfgoh> I install Ubuntu via wubi
[0:52] <jmarki> okay.... then the wubi plan might work... =/
[0:52] <triplez> ooooo Haiku OS.... oooooooo
[0:52] <ruiwen> triplez: save that for hackfest? would be great if you could do a lightning talk about ti
[0:52] <triplez> hee.... can can... trying to get it installed... it's still finiky
[0:53] <elfgoh> triplez: any input on whether wubi works with win 7?
[0:53] <triplez> i can test it out
[0:53] <triplez> but if it works on vista... it'll work on 7
[0:53] <jmarki> elfgoh: someone remarked during welcome tea that it didn't work... =/
[0:54] <elfgoh> jmarki: that's why I am asking triplez about it duh
[0:54] <triplez> sec i can try on my win7 now
[0:54] <elfgoh> triplez: will you be present tomorrow?
[0:54] <triplez> yes sir
[0:54] <triplez> if you need me
[0:55] <elfgoh> triplez: eh so near your house... come la :p
[0:55] <triplez> :P near but difficult to get there
[0:55] <triplez> which part of nus?
[0:55] <elfgoh> triplez: you are forgetting where i live..
[0:55] <triplez> noooo haiku hates parallels
[0:56] <jmarki> is it possible to put linux with virtualbox? =D
[0:56] <elfgoh> triplez: am thinking that we can try on your mac tomorrow?
[0:56] <elfgoh> with my notes ready in hand
[0:56] <triplez> jmarki: that's the other option i'm thinking would be viable
[0:56] <triplez> try what on my mac?
[0:56] <elfgoh> triplez: try wubi
[0:56] <triplez> ah ok
[0:57] <elfgoh> so save you the time
[0:57] <triplez> remember to bring the cd?
[0:57] <elfgoh> Guys are we happy to meet in Science Fac?
[0:57] <elfgoh> or do we want to go up the little room far far away... :D
[0:57] <ruiwen> where in sci fac?
[0:58] <elfgoh> well.... science canteen?
[0:58] <elfgoh> or s16 lvl 3?
[0:58] <elfgoh> if we can get seats
[0:58] <elfgoh> oh damn
[0:58] <ruiwen> i'm fine either way
[0:58] <ini_> why not science library?
[0:58] <elfgoh> dunno if Keith has renewed our network access
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[0:59] <elfgoh> inimical: we can't make as much noise as we wish to
[0:59] <elfgoh> and not all of us can get in
[0:59] <inimical> oops i forgot that
[1:00] <triplez> elfgoh... read your pm
[1:04] <elfgoh> So I think we are settled on Wubi?
[1:05] <jmarki> do at soc instead? preparation should be as close to the conditions as possible
[1:05] <triplez> yay!! hackfest settled at redhat
[1:05] <triplez> w00t
[1:05] <jmarki> can wubi be preseeded? =/
[1:07] <elfgoh> jmarki: find out and let us know
[1:07] <triplez> what's preseed?
[1:07] <elfgoh> So guys how about meeting at COM1 as jmarki suggested?
[1:07] <freeside> http://groups.google.com/group/mengcubator/msg/b08309440b54db15?pli=1
[1:07] <elfgoh> I guess meet at arts canteen 1st?
[1:08] <ruiwen> eh.? now arts canteen?
[1:08] <jmarki> triplez: network installation using a configuration file specified at boot time. packages directly downloaded and installed from a specified mirror.
[1:08] <elfgoh> ruiwen: jmarki asked to be at COM1
[1:08] <triplez> ahhhh okk
[1:09] <elfgoh> ruiwen: or any other suggestions?
[1:09] <ruiwen> elfgoh: i'm fine anywhere on campus
[1:09] <ruiwen> my office also possible if you guys want
[1:09] <ruiwen> but that's super ulu
[1:10] <ruiwen> freeside: that post is for the pre-seed stage funding for startups?
[1:10] <jmarki> wubi on crossover!! =D
[1:11] * JeremiahViztree is now known as Jeremiah_Away
[1:11] <elfgoh> Hmm
[1:12] <ruiwen> so we meet at COM1?
[1:12] <elfgoh> ruiwen: yea i guess so
[1:12] <ruiwen> (actually then we might as well just try to sneak into NEC again)
[1:12] <ruiwen> coz COM1 will have network issues
[1:12] <elfgoh> ruiwen: hmmm
[1:13] <elfgoh> i would want to use COM1 network to see what issues there could be
[1:13] <elfgoh> I say we just find a space at COM1
[1:13] <ruiwen> elfgoh: all righty, COM1 then?
[1:13] <elfgoh> COM1 ftw
[1:13] <ruiwen> =P
[1:14] <ruiwen> we can try to take over some desks at that open area on level 2
[1:15] <elfgoh> ruiwen: can take dinner orders again?
[1:15] <elfgoh> ruiwen: btw i paid you for the chicken rice that last time round right?
[1:16] <ruiwen> elfgoh: eh.... i dunno, but it's ok
[1:16] <triplez> dinner orders? :P
[1:16] <triplez> lol
[1:16] <ruiwen> elfgoh: as for dinner orders, i don't have the car tomorrow
[1:16] <triplez> what time?
[1:16] <ruiwen> elfgoh: but if you all don't mind PGP food, i can get it
[1:17] <ruiwen> well, PGP or biz canteen
[1:17] <elfgoh> ruiwen: yea 1 x white chicken rice
[1:17] <elfgoh> or anything as long as no pork
[1:17] <ruiwen> elfgoh: probably roasted then, white chicken rice is quite hard to find in NUS =P
[1:19] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, ?!?!?
[1:19] <SilverWolf> It got it today :-)
[1:19] <SilverWolf> i
[1:19] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: where at? the only place i've seen it is the second PGP canteen
[1:20] <SilverWolf> hehe at the pgp canteen ...h ehehe
[1:21] <SilverWolf> So Hackfest will be at SoC?
[1:21] <jmarki> SilverWolf: hackfest should be at redhat, installfest at soc
[1:21] <SilverWolf> ah
[1:21] <SilverWolf> :p
[1:21] <SilverWolf> thanks
[1:21] <SilverWolf> How do I sign up for hackfest?
[1:22] <jmarki> SilverWolf: don't know yet... haven't got to that...
[1:22] <SilverWolf> :p
[1:23] <SilverWolf> Ok
[1:23] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: eh, i don't think we've put up the form yet
[1:23] <SilverWolf> Ill just reboot to linux :-)
[1:23] <SilverWolf> oki :D
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[1:24] <Silverwolf> :-)
[1:25] <ruiwen> welcome back
[1:25] <ruiwen> you've rebooted?
[1:25] <ruiwen> that was fast
[1:25] <ruiwen> SSD eh?
[1:25] <triplez> lol
[1:26] <jmarki> 1 min reboot?!? wow...
[1:27] <jmarki> ruiwen: ubuntu mirror is still under keith, right?
[1:29] <ruiwen> yes
[1:29] <jmarki> k
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[1:30] <Silverwolf> ruiwen, yes :-)
[1:31] <Silverwolf> jmarki, actually less.. It took a little time before i started Xchat in linux
[1:31] <Silverwolf> :p
[1:31] <jmarki> win... redhat marketing emails were filtered by the nus spam filters...
[1:31] <Silverwolf> haha
[1:37] <jmarki> Silverwolf: did you do a reboot or 2 hibernations?
[1:37] <triplez> holy i forgot how fast haiku is
[1:38] <Silverwolf> jmarki, just reboot
[1:38] <jmarki> Silverwolf: holy shit... that's really fast...
[1:38] <Silverwolf> it take linux 8 seconds to load to startscreen
[1:38] <Silverwolf> normal ubuntu install, no magic
[1:38] <jmarki> which init system are you using?
[1:38] <jmarki> wah...
[1:38] * elfgoh thinks his desktop boots within 45 secs
[1:38] <schiv_> what black magic is that on?
[1:38] <Silverwolf> Hmm, where do i see it?
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[1:39] <Silverwolf> schiv_, Intel X25-E 64GB
[1:39] <schiv_> that explains it..no magic.
[1:39] <Silverwolf> hehe
[1:40] * jmarki wonders if he should switch to use initng now
[1:40] <Silverwolf> SSDs are every penny worth
[1:40] <schiv_> how much are they currently?
[1:40] * schiv_ hasn't been to SLS for months
[1:40] * hyperair groans
[1:40] <Silverwolf> schiv_, this one I have can be bought for $1000. But the Intel Mainstream mode is as low for $500 for the 80GB version
[1:41] <hyperair> before i screwed up my bad block recovery attempt, i had 5G space on /home
[1:41] <hyperair> now i've got 9G
[1:41] <Silverwolf> and same read speed
[1:41] <hyperair> !@#$%!@#$%
[1:41] <hyperair> i've lost 4G of data!
[1:41] <schiv_> hmm..ok still awesomely expensive for my workload.
[1:42] <Silverwolf> schiv_, Timing buffered disk reads: 452 MB in 3.00 seconds = 150.55 MB/sec << The Intel X25-E
[1:42] <Silverwolf> schiv_, Timing buffered disk reads: 454 MB in 3.01 seconds = 150.93 MB/sec << The Intel X25-M 80GB
[1:42] <jmarki> hyperair: backups?
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[1:42] <Silverwolf> schiv_, only the writes are different
[1:43] <Silverwolf> hyperair, !!!
[1:43] <jmarki> hyperair: and why are you trying to dd direct to disk?!
[1:43] <hyperair> jmarki: bad sector.
[1:43] <hyperair> i forgot to add count=1
[1:43] <hyperair> and ended up zeroing quite a large number of blocks
[1:43] <Silverwolf> auch
[1:43] <schiv_> O.O that is 3 times my 2.5"
[1:43] <jmarki> hyperair: ddrescue?
[1:44] <Silverwolf> schiv_, hehe
[1:44] <hyperair> and i wasn't alert enough to notice that it was taking WAY too long for just writing 4K of data.
[1:44] <hyperair> jmarki: ddrescue only rescues things if you didn't zero it out
[1:45] <hyperair> well most of my lost stuff got shoved into /lost+found
[1:45] <hyperair> thankfully
[1:45] <hyperair> /home/lost+found more like
[1:45] <hyperair> or not..
[1:45] <hyperair> there's only 77M there
[1:45] <hyperair> ugh
[1:45] <hyperair> 4G gone T_T
[1:45] <jmarki> hyperair: i thought ddrescue is the first thing to use instead of dd?
[1:45] <schiv_> nice loss
[1:45] <hyperair> jmarki: oh ddrescue is to recover things from a bad block that can't be read.
[1:45] <schiv_> you fail
[1:45] <schiv_> =p
[1:46] <Silverwolf> hehe
[1:46] <hyperair> jmarki: i shifted away things from the said block already. i just wanted to force the block to be reallocated
[1:46] <jmarki> force the harddisk firmware to relocate the block to spare sectors?
[1:46] <elfgoh> Hey triplez ruiwen , any idea/opinions on sending the installfest and welcome tea messages to the yahoo group and facebook group?
[1:46] <hyperair> yep
[1:47] <elfgoh> Think dqminh might have forgotten
[1:47] <jmarki> hyperair: ahh.... why not just read that sector?
[1:47] <hyperair> jmarki: ?
[1:47] <hyperair> jmarki: i thought you had to zero it out =\
[1:47] <hyperair> jmarki: reading worked on and off
[1:47] <jmarki> no... the relocation is supposed to be automatic, no?
[1:48] <hyperair> is it?
[1:48] <Silverwolf> jmarki, would it have been easier just to tell the file system that the one was bad?
[1:48] <elfgoh> remind me in 12 hours to bring my cdrs in office
[1:48] <marice_nus> elfgoh: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Wed Sep 16 13:48:49 SGT 2009
[1:49] <Silverwolf> remind me in 50000 hours of my awesomeness!
[1:49] <marice_nus> Silverwolf: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sun May 31 09:49:11 SGT 2015
[1:49] <hyperair> i think i wrecked quite a bit of my git repositories as well
[1:49] <hyperair> thankfully those are backed up (separately) remotely
[1:49] <inimical> Silverwolf: 6 years time ...
[1:49] <jmarki> Silverwolf: yah, but then you lose that block of platter space. every harddisk has spare sectors for this purpose
[1:50] <Silverwolf> inimical, It is gonna take some years to get to the correct level of awesomeness... at the moment I think there is still a long way up the hill :p
[1:50] <Silverwolf> jmarki, oki :-)
[1:50] <inimical> elfgoh: why not? although the welcome tea message might not be applicable to those who didn't come though
[1:50] <elfgoh> inimical: ok
[1:50] <jmarki> hyperair: i'm trying to find out how automatic the relocation is, without information corrupted by the spinrite documentation
[1:51] <hyperair> spinrite?
[1:51] <jmarki> yeah... http://www.grc.com/spinRite.htm
[1:51] <inimical> isn't that a program for recovering data in faulty hard drives?
[1:51] <elfgoh> hey guys, did Keith reply anything regarding the renewal of our network login?
[1:51] <elfgoh> jmarki: ?
[1:52] <jmarki> it was good but it hasn't been updated. reaction nowadays is 50/50
[1:52] <jmarki> elfgoh: how many do you need?
[1:53] <elfgoh> jmarki: the one he provided worked. I just need him to renew instead of troubling you
[1:53] <jmarki> elfgoh: there's nothing to renew. the system can only regenerate new accounts
[1:53] <elfgoh> jmarki: i see
[1:54] <elfgoh> So let him do it la
[1:55] <elfgoh> You just spend the same time prepping for sysadmin course
[1:55] <inimical> elfgoh: btw do you still need to burn cd's for the installfest?
[1:56] <elfgoh> inimical: ruiwen is on it. Check with him if he needs help?
[1:56] <elfgoh> Incidentally, I recall that there are a lot of 64bit laptops around these days
[1:56] <jmarki> but i don't want to do an intro to linux course...
[1:56] <inimical> elfgoh: core2duo lappies all have the em64t extension i think
[1:57] <elfgoh> inimical: i see.... ruiwen might not have burnt 64 bit Ubuntu
[1:57] <elfgoh> inimical: maybe you can check with him before burning a few?
[1:58] <elfgoh> jmarki: sorry. GLHF :D
[1:59] <elfgoh> Maybe they want to learn from you!
[1:59] <inimical> elfgoh: alright, although does 64 bit ubuntu have any improvements?
[1:59] <jmarki> inimical: if they are installing wubi, the installer will directly use the 64bit iso. no cds required
[2:00] <inimical> jmarki: i see
[2:00] <elfgoh> jmarki: if i am not mistaken, not necessary to download the iso
[2:00] <elfgoh> wubi can "detect" the iso
[2:01] <triplez> i'm starving
[2:01] <elfgoh> But i do think we should still prepare 64bit in case there are people who don't want to use wubi
[2:01] <jmarki> elfgoh: in all seriousness, i cannot do an intro to linux program without extreme sarcasm. the "hurty brain dealing with braindead users the whole day" syndrome
[2:01] <elfgoh> or at least have blanks and the iso on standby
[2:02] <elfgoh> jmarki: I wasn't the one who asked you to do it. Stop talking to my hand
[2:02] <elfgoh> ;)
[2:02] <jmarki> then in that case, i'll simply put that into /ignore then
[2:03] <elfgoh> yes please do :D
[2:03] <jmarki> sleep....
[2:03] <jmarki> night all
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[2:21] <elfgoh> ruiwen: do we want to ask comcen to send the SFD marketing mail?
[2:21] <elfgoh> instead of the faculty secretaries?
[2:21] <ruiwen> elfgoh: is there a difference?
[2:22] <elfgoh> Comcen can blast directly
[2:22] <elfgoh> faculty secs may or may not send...
[2:23] <triplez> yes we want
[2:24] <elfgoh> ruiwen: and btw... should we try asking for vehicle from say SoC to send the stands?
[2:24] <elfgoh> or whoever?
[2:24] <elfgoh> I seriously don't think we should shy from asking
[2:24] <elfgoh> I mean... for God's sake, we are representing NUS
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[2:26] <ruiwen> hm wasn't aware of Comcen's prowess =P why not
[2:26] <triplez> lol
[2:27] <elfgoh> mastermind ftw
[2:27] * elfgoh hides
[2:27] <ruiwen> also.. for the stands, no harm asking, yes
[2:27] <ruiwen> though i wonder what, if any, vehicles NUS has to lend
[2:29] <elfgoh> ruiwen: campus security!!
[2:29] <elfgoh> ruiwen: well think OED has vehicles....
[2:30] <ruiwen> eh. yeah.
[2:31] <ruiwen> can ask tomorrow then
[2:32] <elfgoh> ruiwen: what's the status of the poster and flier?
[2:32] <ruiwen> yq's almost done with the first poster i think
[2:32] <ruiwen> just need to put in the words
[2:33] <ruiwen> as for the FOSA flier.. i dunno.. you've passed him the stuff to modify?
[2:33] <elfgoh> ruiwen: i send to coreteam
[2:33] <elfgoh> i expected him to have read it
[2:34] <elfgoh> ruiwen: actually i wondered how come the words weren't sent to the coreteam.. though Justin did ask for them? Can we have them on etherpad?
[2:35] <ruiwen> yeah that was what i was saying too
[2:35] <ruiwen> triplez: ping
[2:35] <triplez> pong
[2:35] <triplez> elfgoh: nobody replied back
[2:35] <triplez> anyway
[2:35] <triplez> sec
[2:36] <triplez> ssent
[2:37] <elfgoh> triplez: don't be sad
[2:37] <elfgoh> our coreteam don't like to talk over emails unlike codeandroid
[2:38] <elfgoh> ruiwen: btw can I arrow you stuff to do?
[2:38] <ruiwen> elfgoh: what do you need?
[2:40] <elfgoh> ruiwen: installfest marketing to linuxnus mailing list, and FB group, welcome tea summary post, and a post to mailing list, fb group and blog with links to our surveys
[2:40] <elfgoh> and also tweets to the last 2 items
[2:40] <elfgoh> You don't have to take all :p
[2:40] <ruiwen> i'll do those tomorrow at the meeting then
[2:40] <triplez> seen?
[2:40] <ruiwen> triplez: got it, thanks
[2:41] <elfgoh> ruiwen: at least installfest marketing now?
[2:41] <ruiwen> elfgoh: though of course if anyone wants to share, i'll be more than glad
[2:41] <ruiwen> did we have a doc somewhere?
[2:41] <elfgoh> ruiwen: doc for?
[2:41] <triplez> wat do you think?
[2:42] <ruiwen> the marketing mail? i thought there might've been an etherpad for it
[2:43] <ruiwen> triplez: neat so far.. but wondering if we can beef up the Collaboration section with some examples?
[2:43] <ruiwen> i'm not sure how wordy the poster should be though
[2:43] <triplez> i think keep it simple
[2:43] <elfgoh> ruiwen: http://etherpad.com/XrX2t0BOqp
[2:43] <ruiwen> the example yq sent was quite packed
[2:44] <triplez> remember we can talk to them
[2:44] <triplez> don't need to have everything on the poster
[2:44] <ruiwen> elfgoh: hasn't this gone out?
[2:44] <ruiwen> triplez: yeah i know.. true.. don't have to put in specific examples
[2:44] <ruiwen> elfgoh: got it
[2:44] <ruiwen> oh wait, i already answered elfgoh
[2:45] <elfgoh> ruiwen: has that gone out?
[2:45] <ruiwen> elfgoh: wasn't daniel supposed to have sent this out?
[2:46] <elfgoh> ruiwen: yes he was. But I think he didn't
[2:46] <ruiwen> i see
[2:47] <elfgoh> at least not for the mailing list and fb group
[2:47] <elfgoh> I am not even sure if he sent it to the fac secs
[2:47] <ruiwen> will i''ll send it through FB and mailing list then
[2:47] <elfgoh> since we were not on cc
[2:48] <elfgoh> ruiwen: can you just update him/coreteam that you sent to mailing list and FB group? To avoid double posting. Just to confirm you also didn't get anything from either source right?
[2:49] <ruiwen> wouldn't have gotten from fac secs, but no.. nothign from FB
[2:50] <ruiwen> ok mailing list out
[2:50] <elfgoh> ruiwen: no i meant yahoo group mailing list
[2:50] <elfgoh> ok
[2:51] <elfgoh> hmmm I guess the signature is the same?
[2:52] <ruiwen> no, i didn't send as daniel
[2:52] <ruiwen> that would've looked slightly weird
[2:52] <elfgoh> ok
[2:53] <elfgoh> triplez: think we should add something about our IRC channel?
[2:53] * elfgoh takes a look at linuxnus.org milestones to get inspiration
[2:54] <triplez> hmm... i think they can find everything they need on the page
[2:54] <triplez> website i mean
[2:54] <triplez> which it should have IRC, how to join, etc
[2:54] <elfgoh> triplez: nope I meant the humble beginnings of the IRC channel.
[2:55] <triplez> nah... we can tell people about it
[2:55] <elfgoh> triplez: and also it's state of activity today
[2:55] <triplez> a poster should just have the core point
[2:55] <triplez> you want to convey to the public
[2:55] <triplez> elaboration can be done with our elevator speach
[2:56] <elfgoh> triplez: are our podcasts a signature as well?
[2:56] <triplez> not really
[2:56] <triplez> signature meaning unique and different which nobody else does it in singapore
[2:57] <triplez> linuxnus is the only group i know in singapore that hosts hackfests
[2:57] <ruiwen> yay
[2:57] <triplez> hence signature
[2:57] <elfgoh> well i meant open source podcasts
[2:57] <triplez> ruiwen: is the podcast out yet/
[2:57] <elfgoh> but yea not the most unique
[2:57] <ruiwen> triplez: yep
[2:58] <triplez> oooo ok
[2:58] <ruiwen> triplez: went out this morn
[2:58] <triplez> so many news this morning
[2:58] <triplez> not enough time to process
[2:58] <triplez> lol
[2:58] <ruiwen> hhe
[2:58] <triplez> anyway i need to sleep
[2:58] <triplez> night
[2:58] <elfgoh> triplez: ok just check that etherpad tomorrow
[2:58] <triplez> ok
[2:59] <triplez> make sure not to overdo it
[2:59] <ruiwen> goodnight triplez
[2:59] <triplez> refer to codeandroid's poster
[2:59] <ruiwen> yup
[2:59] <triplez> simple, to the point
[2:59] <triplez> everything else that can be elaborated can be during our elevator speech
[3:01] <ruiwen> yup
[3:01] <hyperair> a 4K program generating a 3.5minute long HD video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWMGuh15nE
[3:02] <hyperair> pretty awesome
[3:02] <ruiwen> we should put in our contact points though.. at least the site address
[3:03] <ruiwen> oh. it's there already
[3:05] <ruiwen> ok my turn to crash
[3:05] <ruiwen> night all
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[3:34] <inimical> hi yq
[3:34] <inimical> what's the link to the distro balls pic again?
[3:34] <yq> hey inimical
[3:34] <elfgoh> inimical: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Distro+balls?content=74628
[3:34] <inimical> putting a linux wallpaper on windows seems rather hypocritical though =/
[3:35] <yq> orh
[3:35] <yq> elfgoh: finishing!
[3:35] <inimical> elfgoh: thanks
[3:35] <yq> fwah.. next time cannot do >A3 posters..
[3:35] <elfgoh> yq: wah
[3:35] <elfgoh> yq: actually we are writing more text more leh :x
[3:36] <yq> sure
[3:36] <yq> got space
[3:36] <yq> i'll send one over in 10 mins
[3:37] <elfgoh> But my English is so so.... need others to vet the etherpad note
[3:37] <elfgoh> yq: btw you got my fosa poster?
[3:37] <elfgoh> I sent to coreteam
[3:38] <yq> orh
[3:38] <yq> tmr ok
[3:39] <yq> zzZZzz
[3:39] <elfgoh> yq: of course np
[3:39] <elfgoh> yq: I very relaxed one
[3:39] <yq> hah i very stressed one
[3:40] <elfgoh> yq: ok i get the hint. Next time treat you more beer to destress
[3:40] <yq> nah hahaha
[3:46] <yq> no~ everyone gonna use distroballs as wallpaper
[3:46] <yq> haha
[3:59] <yq> elfgoh: sent
[4:00] <elfgoh> yq: One look at the thumbnail and I know it is freaking awesome liao
[4:01] <yq> kua zhang
[4:01] <yq> so yea u can see those spaces around the text
[4:01] <yq> can still fill them up
[4:02] <elfgoh> yq: hey I am honest!
[4:03] <elfgoh> ok la you go sleep
[4:03] <yq> yea nite
[4:03] <yq> bye
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[7:17] <cyberjames> mooo
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[8:04] <strohi> moo?
[8:16] <concernedcitizen> meow
[8:29] <concernedcitizen> in before the hon
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[9:02] <concernedcitizen> i'd like a forkbomb please
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[10:12] <concernedcitizen> http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2009/yax-1063.htm pweened
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[10:46] <freeside> funny, i was just reading http://www.iseas.edu.sg/staffpub/SingaporeHegelStateJCA.pdf
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[10:53] <concernedcitizen> freeside:
[10:53] <concernedcitizen> thanks for sharing that link
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[11:11] <triplez> elfgoh: don't you think it's too many words for the irc part?
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[11:15] <ruiwen> triplez: elfgoh: had a go at the IRC portion, have a look?
[11:23] <triplez> ruiwen: looks much better
[11:25] <ruiwen> elfgoh: triplez: ok, network is a go for tonight
[11:27] <triplez> okie
[11:27] <triplez> 7.30 COM1 right?
[11:27] <triplez> i wonder if i should eat dinner at home
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[11:30] <ruiwen> triplez: i'll be collecting dinner orders later to buy from the canteen if you want
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[11:34] <ruiwen> elfgoh2: triplez: am thinking if we can insert any geek jokes into the poster copy
[11:34] <triplez> no... it's for public
[11:34] <triplez> we don't want to have insider jokes
[11:34] <triplez> remember?
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[11:37] <ruiwen> triplez: no, not inside jokes, geek jokes
[11:37] <ruiwen> triplez: otherwise it's just plain marketing speak
[11:37] <triplez> hmm... if you want somewhere on the poster itself not distracting
[11:37] <ruiwen> triplez: something that people will realise is .. special
[11:38] <triplez> like?
[11:39] <elfgoh2> triplez: I was writing that pretty late. So feel free to summarise the community chat portion
[11:39] <ruiwen> triplez: heh i don't have anything in mind right now.. still thinking
[11:43] <triplez> hee... well if you can come up with something good... we can put it on the poster
[11:43] <triplez> if not we should finalize it by today and send it for printing
[11:44] <ruiwen> yup agreed
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[12:05] <concernedcitizen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYsz85Z9Ho4
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[13:07] <trisbox> hoy
[13:13] <ruiwen> hello trisbox
[13:15] <trisbox> hello
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[13:30] <dwu> whut.
[13:42] <elfgoh2> @ Coreteam. Text for our flyer modifying the SFD (FOSA) flier: http://etherpad.com/Gdr1HqfTaU
[13:48] <marice_nus> elfgoh: You asked me to remind you to bring my cdrs in office
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[15:02] <triplez> yq: there?
[15:02] <yq> triplez:
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[15:11] <kelvinq> hey, who at nlb did you guys speak to for sfd?
[15:11] <triplez> no idea... it's fosa who arranged it
[15:12] <kelvinq> ohhh... ok. thanks triplez.
[15:12] <elfgoh2> kelvinq: we are just one of the exhibitors
[15:17] <kelvinq> thanks elfgoh2 .
[15:18] <kelvinq> how's the prep going?
[15:19] <elfgoh2> kelvinq: I think we can pull off a good one as long as we push each opther a bit for the final loose ends
[15:21] <kelvinq> nice!
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[15:54] <concernedcitizen> can't believing I'm honing on sch network
[15:54] <concernedcitizen> I must say, having my own private vlan on campus is pretty kosher
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[16:02] <ngiin> http://bit.ly/gJaRp <- guys, i need help with this! thanks!
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[16:11] <elfgoh2> ngiin: done
[16:13] <dqminh> elfgoh2, ruiwen i will not be able to attend today's meeting physically :(
[16:13] <ruiwen> ngiin: done
[16:13] <ruiwen> dqminh: =(
[16:15] <dqminh> ruiwen, so we dont need to send a message to osa ? as stated in the email.
[16:15] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: do you have enough hard disk space to store 9.04/64, gparted and knoppix? We may need them later, and I am bringing along my CDrs
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[16:16] <ruiwen> elfgoh2: i do, yeah
[16:16] <ruiwen> dqminh: which mail?
[16:16] <ruiwen> elfgoh2: shall i grab them?
[16:16] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: yea will be good
[16:16] <dqminh> ruiwen, SFD message to OSA
[16:17] <ruiwen> haha woohoo 3.2MB/s
[16:17] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: technically we should ask to be sure that comcen is ok with it
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[16:18] <ruiwen> dqminh: which mail states we don't have to ping OSA?
[16:18] <ngiin> ruiwen: thanks!
[16:19] <dqminh> Hi Daniel,
[16:19] <dqminh> Did you send this out? Was discussing in IRC that we should get Comcen to do the email blast since they are involved in this.
[16:19] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: i sent a mail, suggesting that we should blast via Comcen?
[16:20] <ruiwen> elfgoh2: dqminh: oh.. thought you were referring to pinging OSA to tell them that we'll be taking part in SFD, a public event
[16:21] <dqminh> ruiwen, i was referring to that message
[16:21] <ruiwen> elfgoh2: dqminh: sending to the students via Comcen, no objection, but we should still inform OSA of our activities (<-- or has this been done already?)
[16:21] <dqminh> ruiwen, no it hasnt been done. Shall I do it now ?
[16:21] <dqminh> btw , is there any facebook events for install fest being created ?
[16:21] <ruiwen> dqminh: yup yup, thanks =) OSA for their info and Comcen for blasting?
[16:22] <ruiwen> dqminh: sent msg to the FB group about installfest.. no event page though
[16:22] <ruiwen> elfgoh2: i presume we want gparted stable?
[16:22] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: yea
[16:23] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: can i be greedy and ask for systemrescue and parted magic? grab them via aria2c if you are using wget?
[16:24] <elfgoh2> dqminh: btw I have update coreteam meeting doc on outstanding matters
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[16:25] <dqminh> elfgoh2, slides got typo ?
[16:25] <elfgoh2> yea
[16:25] <elfgoh2> yaoquan's name spelt wrongly
[16:26] <ruiwen> elfgoh2: send me links?
[16:27] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: http://partedmagic.com/
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[16:28] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: http://www.sysresccd.org/Download
[16:29] <ruiwen> ok grabbing
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[16:29] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: http://www.sysresccd.org/Download Alternative branch
[16:29] <elfgoh2> wrong
[16:29] <elfgoh2> http://www.clonezilla.org/download/sourceforge/ alternative branch
[16:30] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: sorry for being greedy :s
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[16:31] <ruiwen> do you need the alt branches?
[16:31] <ruiwen> or are they just alternative download links?
[16:31] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: http://drbl.sourceforge.net/faq/fine-print.php?path=./2_System/57_why_ubuntu_based_clonezilla_live.faq#57_why_ubuntu_based_clonezilla_live.faq
[16:32] <ruiwen> elfgoh2: so is that a yes or no?
[16:33] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: yes download clonezilla alternative branch only
[16:33] <ruiwen> telling me to RTFM now isn't very useful =P
[16:33] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: well it's a table :p
[16:34] <elfgoh2> Sorry for the RTFT
[16:34] <ruiwen> you get the idea
[16:34] <ruiwen> technically it's an FAQ, but we'll let that slide =P
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[16:51] <dwu> wth is com1?
[16:52] <ruiwen> dwu: you remember the building where ziyong was showing you his G1 the last time?
[16:52] <dwu> ruiwen: er... yeah, ok. near biz1?
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[16:53] <concernedcitizen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhlw8FM0qc4
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[16:53] <concernedcitizen> OH GOD KILL ME NAO
[16:55] <ruiwen> dwu: yup
[16:56] <dwu> ruiwen: hrm, shuttle bus in, yes? or was it, er, 195?
[16:56] <dwu> (from buona vista)
[16:57] <ruiwen> ah.. 95, to central forum, then shuttle bus
[16:58] <dwu> aha.
[16:58] <dwu> i have no idea why travel to nus just doesn't burn into my longterm memory.
[16:58] <ruiwen> dwu: humans tend to purge unpleasant memories i think
[16:59] <dwu> ruiwen: hurhur.
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[17:25] <dwu> anyone headed to SLMG?
[17:33] <jamestyj1> moin
[17:33] * jamestyj1 looks forward to the opensuse conference tomorrow
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[17:51] * elfgoh2 yawnz
[17:52] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: 1 x chicken rice later please!
[17:52] <ruiwen> elfgoh2: got it
[17:52] <ruiwen> @coreteam: anyone else? dinner orders?
[17:53] <jamestyj1> argh chicken rice
[17:53] <jamestyj1> i wish i could have some
[17:54] <ruiwen> jamestyj1: we could send some up with icedwater when he goes over =)
[17:54] <ruiwen> jamestyj1: it might be a little cold though
[17:54] <jamestyj1> ruiwen: yeah :(
[17:55] <ruiwen> i've heard that airline pilots have actually performed international food delivery though
[17:55] <ruiwen> once heard of a very special packet char kuay teow that took a flight
[17:57] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: do you want to poke Prof Khoo for some vehicular support?
[17:57] <elfgoh2> to transport the stands...
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[17:57] <elfgoh2> or some form of taxi claim?
[17:59] <dwu> coreteam gets dinner delivery? :O
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[18:03] <ruiwen> dwu: yup, for the meeting later, i'm grabbing from the canteen
[18:03] <dwu> ruiwen: awww. will you kids be missing slmg then?
[18:03] <ruiwen> dwu: probably, yeah.. what's today's meet about?
[18:05] <ruiwen> dwu: mails on the list seem to indicate that SLMG meeting is off today
[18:07] <dwu> ooh?
[18:07] <ruiwen> elfgoh2: no harm asking, but it's probably better for dqminh to send the mail
[18:08] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: I was hoping that Prof Khoo will give heavier weight to an alumni
[18:08] <dwu> in which case, i'm bored as hell, and being home today seems bleh. is anyone up for adhoc social?
[18:08] <dwu> (obviously postmeeting)
[18:09] <dwu> elfgoh2: wouldn't he give more weight to the president of linuxnus?
[18:10] <elfgoh2> dwu: IIRC NUS has been trying to engage her alumni
[18:11] <ruiwen> elfgoh2: i'm not sure it's the right channel for an alumnus to make the request directly, especially since this is an activity by an active student group
[18:12] <elfgoh2> ngiin: any insights on SoC/NUS' outreach intent and success for alumni?
[18:12] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: fair enough
[18:14] <elfgoh2> ruiwen: But I still do think that SoC would want to be in the good books of their alumni and be supportive where they can
[18:14] <elfgoh2> especially if we are alumni actively helping out
[18:14] <ngiin> elfgoh2: what u mean?
[18:15] <elfgoh2> ngiin: what's SoC attitude/intetion for SoC alumni?
[18:15] <ruiwen> they would want to be supportive i think, yes, but whether or not they give priority to a request made by an alumni for an active student group.. that is in question
[18:15] <ngiin> elfgoh2: soc appreciates alumni, focus pretty much like CISAA...
[18:16] <ngiin> elfgoh2: i miss the context of the question, as in emphasis on alumni to do what?
[18:17] <dwu> elfgoh2: and yet again, i don't think engaging the alumni should/needs to come at the price of favouring alumni over active students - if you don't treat active students with the same respect you do alumni, who'd be bothered to give back?
[18:18] <dwu> (granted, you folk seem to have an above average attachment to nus/soc/whatever)
[18:18] <elfgoh2> ngiin: context being... say a request for vehicular support to transport poster stands for SFD. Would SoC give more priority to a request sent by alumni than by students?
[18:18] <ngiin> elfgoh2: students
[18:18] <ngiin> best bet....
[18:18] <ngiin> TAXI
[18:19] <dwu> and, er, as alumni, you should be donating back and stuff, not claiming from school.
[18:21] <elfgoh2> ngiin: I see. I am thinking otherwise from past experience in JC and SS
[18:22] <dwu> neither of which intended for you to be a working adult when you left, presumably.
[18:22] <elfgoh2> dwu: yea we are donating back our time and $$, to linuxnus though
[18:22] <dwu> elfgoh2: no one's making you, nyet?
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[18:23] <elfgoh2> dwu: of course not
[18:23] <dwu> you can't really ask for compensation etc. if you have a choice to back out.
[18:23] <ngiin> elfgoh2: if your actions does not bring more research grant to the school, usually unlikely....
[18:23] <elfgoh2> ngiin: how sad
[18:24] <dwu> and you should be helping them out by obtaining resources for events etc., not just getting resources for the school. the school has students enough to ask for resources from them.
[18:24] <dwu> ahem, from the school.
[18:25] <ngiin> dwu: on the long run, we will want to and love to... but at the moment, i hardly can afford a HDB within the next 10 years....
[18:25] <elfgoh2> dwu: I am just asking for that little bit of support where it is really needed.
[18:26] <dwu> elfgoh2: yes, let the students ask for school support.
[18:26] <dwu> ngiin: i'm not saying you have to pay them now.
[18:26] <elfgoh2> dwu: Too bad for NUS that you are not an alumni
[18:26] <dwu> alumni (traditionally) help the school out throguh whatever, not by being an additional resource drain.
[18:27] <dwu> elfgoh2: i'm hardly likely to even be a student.
[18:27] <ngiin> dwu: u're right in principle, but the basis is that the alumni had a meaningful connection/relationship with the school while he or she was still a student....
[18:28] <dwu> the payback you might get from the school is recognition for assistance rendered, and it really isn't nice to get recognition for, er... helping the student ask for something for a school prof.
[18:28] <dwu> ngiin: yes, and now they want to give back.
[18:29] <dwu> which, if they can do so by the most preferred means (donations, a ticket to the d&d, etc.), that'd be great, but being a company than sponsors stuff for events, etc. is also doable. what elfgoh2 means in that particular context is something a student can accomplish.
[18:31] <ngiin> dwu: the pre-requisite is that the faculty would need to establish a personal relationship with individual students during the lifetime of the student, not the transactional one, in which, the student pay school fees, go class, take attendance, take exam, repeat for 8 sems, take scroll and busines concluded...
[18:33] <elfgoh2> argh the rain begins
[18:33] <dwu> ngiin: *shrug* no one forced anyone to attend uni, really.
[18:33] <ngiin> nice~
[18:33] <dwu> and really, -does- nus truly want a personal relatonship with the individual graduate?
[18:33] <dwu> the school doesn't owe the graduate much, really. if any.
[18:34] <ngiin> dwu: i agree that relationship is a 2 way thing, but NUS seriously need work harder in this aspect, NUS is severely bad in terms of the student:faculty ratio....
[18:34] <ngiin> dwu: in the socratean teacher-student model, yes they do....
[18:34] <dwu> maybe if less alumni hound the school it could pay more attention to current students ;)
[18:35] <dwu> does nus even profess to exercise the socates method?
[18:35] <dwu> socrates, obviously.
[18:35] <ngiin> dwu: not if all attention is the research recognition and papers published per year...
[18:35] <ziyong> ngiin: agree
[18:36] <dwu> so let me get this straight - do you want to give back to NUS?
[18:36] <ngiin> ziyong: thanks dude...
[18:36] <ziyong> but that is a problem with the direction of NUS
[18:36] <ziyong> they are forced by the top to do that
[18:37] <dwu> because if you -don't-, then don't. if you do, and it's out of some weird "i am alumni therefore i will" thing, then don't. if you do because you feel the school gave you something, then do so.
[18:37] <ngiin> dwu: aren't we all giving back in our way, just that, even so, it does not solve the problem at the roots, and status quo is not a solution...
[18:37] <ziyong> because it affects their pay, promotion, etc - their KPI is very skewed towards research
[18:37] <dwu> ngiin: whether you're giving back isn't the point - do you -want- to?
[18:37] <dwu> if you do, then it really isn't about what the school can do for you, but (etc., you know the tune)
[18:38] <ngiin> dwu: of cos, without saying.
[18:38] <dwu> how is that without saying?
[18:38] <ziyong> ngiin has been giving back to NUS - we can all see that
[18:38] <ngiin> dwu: the argument, is what the school can do for itself and her future students....
[18:38] <ziyong> even if it is towards the NOC program
[18:38] <dwu> i suspect "come to us, you'll really benefit if you're an alumni" isn't it.
[18:39] <ngiin> ziyong: thanks for the vouch....
[18:39] <dwu> (s/if/when/)
[18:39] <ziyong> well, its a fact... which other SH alumni do you still see around
[18:39] <ngiin> ziyong: no worries...
[18:40] <dwu> this was based on elfgoh wondering if they ought to place more weight on an alumnus or current students' request for school resources.
[18:40] <dwu> (short answer, i really, -really- think it should be current)
[18:40] <ngiin> dwu: i get your point. i agree with you on that and furthermore, the current students are the future of alumni....
[18:41] <dwu> yep. treat them well now, and they (should) give back cheerfully, willingly, and without expectation later.
[18:42] <ngiin> dwu: having said that, the status quo is the school pays more attention to research work, and whatever bandwidth they have left, they are not investing wisely, be it alumni or students...
[18:42] <dwu> (you may of course want recognition and thanks for selfless giving as an alumnus, and that's cool, but resources should be your own)
[18:42] <dwu> ngiin: that's a whole other nus fuckup of its own - and doesn't affect my opinion on alumnus vs. current requesting school resources :))
[18:43] <ngiin> dwu: have your check out the NUS giving campaign near July/Aug each year that try to solicit donations from alumni annually?
[18:43] <dwu> ngiin: every school with alumni does that.
[18:43] <dwu> again, that's really up to you to give.
[18:44] <ngiin> dwu: pardon me for that, i was really taking the perspective of NUS on its own and its states of fucked-ups...
[18:44] <dwu> if you don't like that aspect of the alumnus/alma relationship, you're certainly free to ignore.
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[18:45] <dwu> ngiin: i'm sure there are its own screwinesses. this is why i am not an active alumnus of my high school but would donate to SP if they had like a d&d thing.
[18:45] <dwu> ruiwen: can i come can i can i? :)
[18:46] <ruiwen> dwu: sure, why not.. need dinner?
[18:46] <ngiin> dwu: no worries, we're cool. i'm with u on the altruism of alunmi actions....
[18:46] <dwu> ruiwen: yay! where?
[18:46] <ngiin> *alumni
[18:46] <ruiwen> you can order whatever you want, so long as it's from the chicken rice stall
[18:46] <ngiin> lol!
[18:46] <ruiwen> dwu: same, COM1
[18:46] <dwu> ngiin: we were always cool, and i am nothing if not selectively altruistic :)
[18:47] <dwu> ruiwen: oo. chicken rice! :)
[18:47] <dwu> (roasted would be awesome if they have it)
[18:48] <ngiin> dwu: nice!
[18:48] <dwu> :)
[18:48] <ngiin> ziyong: u r cool too!
[18:49] <ruiwen> dwu: yup only roasted at that stall
[18:49] <dwu> (there are many people for whome i will do nothing, and a few for whom i would do everything)
[18:49] <ruiwen> ngiin: are you joining us?
[18:49] <dwu> ruiwen: yaaay
[18:49] <ziyong> ?
[18:49] <ngiin> ruiwen: will pass, will need to go airport in half hour time...
[18:50] <dwu> ooo
[18:50] <ruiwen> ngiin: oh ok.. seeing someone off?
[18:50] <dwu> flying away somewhere glam?
[18:51] <ngiin> both, someone going on study abroad and some friend from japan, both dudes, (b4 elfgoh thinks of women ....)
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[18:51] <ngiin> awww.... he quit....
[18:52] <ruiwen> hahah
[18:52] <ruiwen> he'll be back on mobile data soon-ish
[18:53] <dwu> heh.
[18:54] <dwu> right, on the way. eta buona vista 20min, halp which side should i take 95 from?
[18:55] <ruiwen> dwu: take the overhead bridge across to MOE side, then take from there
[18:56] <ruiwen> then the 95-A1 shuffle
[18:56] <dwu> ruiwen: <3 thanks :) ooioooh there's an OCK at buona vista now isn't there...
[18:56] <ruiwen> OCK?
[18:56] <dwu> ruiwen: yeh, the 95-A1 i more or less recall.
[18:56] <dwu> old chang kee :)
[18:56] <ruiwen> oh yeah at ground level i think
[18:57] <dwu> yeh.
[18:58] <dwu> wheeheeheehee first riding lesson sat.
[18:59] <ruiwen> you're taking class 3 and 2 concurrently?
[19:00] <dwu> ^_^ 2b, but yes. then i'll have transport (better one) to my class 3 :)
[19:01] <ruiwen> heh
[19:01] <ruiwen> how long does it take to get a class 2b?
[19:02] <dwu> shorter, you don't ven need a pdl to start practicals.
[19:02] <dwu> (and about a quarter the cost)
[19:02] <dwu> (and of course bikes are much cheaper)
[19:02] <dwu> (ohshit i hope my mum didn't plan some random birthday surprise)
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[20:41] <inimical> meeting still on?
[20:41] <ruiwen> inimical: yup
[20:41] <ruiwen> inimical: wanna join us? COM1 Level 2
[20:42] <inimical> ruiwen: can't unfortunately, having a test on friday
[20:42] <inimical> which i just found out about 2 days ago
[20:42] <ruiwen> inimical: ah shucks
[20:42] <ruiwen> haha
[20:42] <ruiwen> all the best for your test inimical
[20:42] <inimical> haha thanks
[20:42] <inimical> any updates?
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[22:43] <elfgoh__> !twitter running Runes of Magic on wine.... no kick.
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[23:07] <triplez> hi hi
[23:08] <yq> hey
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[23:09] <triplez> how goes yq
[23:09] <yq> alright i guess
[23:09] <yq> u?
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[23:14] <triplez> i'm ok... done with all the posters?
[23:15] * hyperair got his ass whipped by 'god knows' by aya hirano on frets on fire.
[23:19] <yq> should be
[23:19] <yq> will mail over final copy tonight
[23:21] <jmarki> triplez: are you going to test a vm installation first?
[23:22] <jmarki> i've just hacked up a preseed for vm. if you want, you can take it to test first
[23:22] <jmarki> if not, i'll test it later... =/
[23:23] <triplez> ok
[23:23] <triplez> you go test it later
[23:23] <jmarki> whahaha... k
[23:23] <triplez> bbl
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