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[0:00] <mallipeddi_> btw probably OT but anyone knows how much is "Snow Leopard" in SG? I'm thinking of buying one when I visit SG in Oct. It's not available in India yet.
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[0:01] * thelaptop|mobile wonders why apple products are more tolerated than microsoft's in many FOSS circumstances
[0:01] <inimical> ah, home sweet home
[0:02] <inimical> less exposure?
[0:02] <mallipeddi_> because OS X is Unix. Most FOSS people love unix.
[0:02] <thelaptop|mobile> inimical: by that reasoning then MS-DOS needs to be celebrated too... since it hardly has any exposure these days
[0:02] <inimical> strohi: nice toc
[0:02] <strohi> ;D
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[0:03] <strohi> are THERE are you :>
[0:03] <thelaptop|mobile> mallipeddi_: i believe that most FOSS people love linux rather than unix
[0:03] <thelaptop|mobile> (or bsd... which is... unix-like)
[0:04] <hyperair> unix isn't FOSS
[0:05] <mallipeddi_> thelaptop|mobile: that depends. go to any tech conference these days (I'm talking about O'Reilly's OSCON!) - the rooms are full of Macs.
[0:05] * inimical wonders why
[0:06] <thelaptop|mobile> mallipeddi_: aren't apple products as restrictive as microsoft ones though?
[0:07] <hyperair> they're more restrictive
[0:07] <hyperair> at least microsoft ones work on more than one type of hardware
[0:07] <mallipeddi_> yes they're certainly as restrictive as M$'s
[0:08] <thelaptop|mobile> hence the paradox: why do many FOSS folks use apple products?
[0:08] <mallipeddi_> but I don't care right. my biggest complaint with Microsoft is their crappy OS. Not that it's a commercial product.
[0:11] <mallipeddi_> but I would gladly take Linux anyday over OS X if Linux was as good as OS X as a desktop OS. It frankly is not. I was trying to use the latest Ubuntu the other day at work. I've a 24" LCD. It took half a day of messing around with Xorg.conf to get it working (even now it's not running at its full native resolution).
[0:12] <hyperair> mallipeddi_: don't use gpus with lousy drivers.
[0:12] <hyperair> mallipeddi_: only intel.
[0:13] <hyperair> besides, nowadays, ubuntu uses a xorg.conf-less configuration
[0:13] <hyperair> you should never have to mess around with your xorg.conf
[0:13] <mallipeddi_> well that failed to work spectacularly
[0:13] <mallipeddi_> I was expecting Ubuntu to nicely configure my screen. it picked some extremely low resolution.
[0:14] <hyperair> file a bug
[0:14] <thelaptop|mobile> mallipeddi_: i think 80x25 works swell
[0:14] <hyperair> but seriously, what gpu are you using?
[0:14] <hyperair> ati?
[0:14] <hyperair> nvidia?
[0:14] <mallipeddi_> Intel chipset only
[0:14] <mallipeddi_> nothing fancy
[0:14] <hyperair> meh
[0:14] <hyperair> what were the supported modes?
[0:14] <hyperair> there are cases where monitors don't advertise their supported modes properly either
[0:14] <mallipeddi_> dont remember anymore. few months ago.
[0:15] <hyperair> heh
[0:15] <mallipeddi_> well if that were the case, how did my MacBook work instantly?
[0:15] <hyperair> hacks.
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[0:16] <mallipeddi_> that's what I want. my uni days are over now. I can't work/tweak stuff like this anymore since I don't have the time.
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[0:18] <concernedcitizen> interesting. I've always been curious. why is it that Apple is more tolerable as a proprietary vendor than MSFT.
[0:19] <mallipeddi_> simple. it's not rocket-science. they make kick-ass products.
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[0:19] <mallipeddi_> in fact Apple acts much worse than MSFT when it comes to certain things.
[0:19] <Isil`Zha> hi ;)
[0:19] <mallipeddi_> but they make up for everything by building awesome products.
[0:20] <concernedcitizen> sure, they make kickass products, but its quite a double-standard to not be hating on Apple for not opening their code
[0:20] <mallipeddi_> that's my point. there are very few who hate MSFT because MSFT is a commercial software company which chose to adopt the closed-source software dvlpment model.
[0:21] <hyperair> concernedcitizen: because apple doesn't buy-and-shutdown its competitors
[0:21] <concernedcitizen> sure they do.
[0:21] <concernedcitizen> App Store
[0:21] <hyperair> ?
[0:22] <hyperair> apple doesn't spread FUD?
[0:22] <thelaptop|mobile> "hi i'm a mac" "and i'm a pc"
[0:22] <hyperair> though to be honest, the FOSS community (boycottnovell goons are part of the FOSS community, though i feel ashamed to acknowledge that) is pretty capable of FUD itself
[0:22] <hyperair> thelaptop|mobile: that's not FUD. those are facts.
[0:23] <thelaptop|mobile> hyperair: those are marketing
[0:23] <hyperair> thelaptop|mobile: you may market your products, as long as you don't FUD everyone else in the process imo
[0:24] <thelaptop|mobile> hyperair: not all marketing is FUD, but much FUD is related to marketing
[0:24] * thelaptop|mobile is now known as ixdee
[0:24] <hyperair> like "hey you know what? i'm going to sue you for not using our product"
[0:24] <mallipeddi_> hehe....well apple does pretty nasty things too. look at the recent Google Voice app debacle
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[0:27] <mallipeddi_> but seriously folks no one knows the price of SL?
[0:28] <thelaptop|mobile> mallipeddi_: i don't own/use a mac
[0:29] <mallipeddi_> got it. from the SG apple site. it's S$48
[0:30] <concernedcitizen> SL?
[0:30] <mallipeddi_> Snow Leopard
[0:37] <concernedcitizen> 我刚刚真正领悟到不打自招和此地无银三百两的意思 what does this mean?
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[0:46] * elfgoh sees some new faces in the irc.
[0:46] * concernedcitizen licks elfgoh
[0:46] <elfgoh> Hello mallipeddi mallipeddi_
[0:47] <concernedcitizen> the lick will never end
[0:47] <elfgoh> !
[0:47] <mallipeddi> elfgoh: hi lu feng. how are things?
[0:47] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: Fantastic. Was helping out at the linuxNUS booth at SFD SIngapore today
[0:47] <concernedcitizen> you just replied the wrong guy
[0:47] <concernedcitizen> hmmpft.
[0:48] <thelaptop> elfgoh: have i met you?
[0:48] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: oops
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[0:48] <elfgoh> mallipeddi: Fantastic. Was helping out at the linuxNUS Fantastic. Was helping out at the linuxNUS booth at SFD SIngapore today booth at SFD SIngapore today
[0:48] <elfgoh> sorry guys the sleep deprivation has kicked in
[0:48] * concernedcitizen licks elfgoh somemore
[0:48] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: !!
[0:48] <concernedcitizen> can thine interest yuo wif HONS
[0:48] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: I didn't see you dropping by our booth
[0:49] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: Well I am really really tired ;)
[0:49] <concernedcitizen> yeah didn't have the time. had to leave shortly after the technical talks ended
[0:49] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: you should get more SMU guys involved in HoN
[0:49] <concernedcitizen> met patrickhaller though :)
[0:49] <elfgoh> I have extra beta keys
[0:49] <concernedcitizen> i got 2 keys too.
[0:50] <elfgoh> thelaptop: i am not sure
[0:50] <concernedcitizen> i'll try.
[0:50] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: I have much more
[0:50] <elfgoh> another 10 or 20
[0:50] <concernedcitizen> who did you bribe?
[0:50] <thelaptop> elfgoh: hmm... probably means no
[0:50] <mallipeddi> whats HoN?
[0:50] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: after tearing down linuxNUS booth, we had a real life gathering of around 10 people from this channel :D
[0:50] <ziyong> ?
[0:50] <ziyong> HON?
[0:50] <ziyong> elfgoh: hon?
[0:51] <concernedcitizen> yeah I heard from dwu that you guys were at walawala
[0:51] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: yea
[0:51] <ziyong> let me close eclipse
[0:51] <ziyong> lol
[0:51] <elfgoh> ziyong: tired, not tonight
[0:51] <ziyong> lol
[0:51] <ziyong> WAH LAO
[0:51] <elfgoh> ziyong: heh I didn't agree
[0:51] <freeside> and did y'all do the supernerdy pgp keysigning?
[0:52] <elfgoh> thelaptop: Hmmm I am not sure. I am Luther. I was at the linuxNUS booth today. If you drop by you probably saw me
[0:52] <concernedcitizen> i really should finish writing my tests
[0:52] <elfgoh> freeside: we happily forgot about it as filePeter didn't turn up
[0:52] * elfgoh blames filePeter
[0:53] <freeside> heh
[0:53] <ziyong> elfgoh: come one v one leh
[0:53] <ziyong> lol
[0:53] <thelaptop> elfgoh: i was introduced by harish to some folks... but i'm bad with meatspace names
[0:53] <elfgoh> ziyong: you can 1v1 with concernedcitizen
[0:54] <elfgoh> thelaptop: heh... which Harish? mallipeddi is also a Harish
[0:54] <concernedcitizen> i think there's a conspiracy brewing. there's way too many harish in the opensource world </tinfoil>
[0:54] <mallipeddi> it can't be me :) I'm not in SG anymore.
[0:55] <elfgoh> mallipeddi: well another Harish (not Pillay) from NUS helped out at our booth today
[0:55] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: so how many have you counted?
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[0:55] <concernedcitizen> two
[0:55] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: well there is 3 I know already
[0:56] <concernedcitizen> ITS A TRAP!
[0:56] <mallipeddi> Harish is a relatively common Indian name. So far wherever I've gone, there has always been another Harish in my vicinity. I'm not kidding.
[0:57] * concernedcitizen goes to play a quick gam
[0:58] <elfgoh> I guess Harish is just like any other english name, like Mark or John
[0:59] <thelaptop> elfgoh: mohanadas
[0:59] <elfgoh> mallipeddi: anyway we had a solid booth. Check out the photos when ruiwen uploads them
[1:00] <strohi> hi elfgoh
[1:00] <mallipeddi> elfgoh: cool. will do.
[1:00] <yq> elfgoh: need to have aspace for the psd files
[1:00] <elfgoh> thelaptop: Ah i see. Yea you are in the right place :) So were you at SFD at NLB today?
[1:01] <thelaptop> elfgoh: yes, and i identified the deceptive fork bomb on the club shirt heheheh...
[1:01] <concernedcitizen> we should start a geek t-shirt label
[1:01] <elfgoh> strohi: hey. lsil`Zha is also from Germany. We met today at SFD Singapore
[1:02] <strohi> oh nice :)
[1:02] <elfgoh> yq: ok let me check
[1:02] <strohi> i wasnt able to fix these ugly winapp, i cant understand it
[1:02] <thelaptop> humour me. what is HoN again?
[1:02] <elfgoh> strohi: go for wine
[1:03] <elfgoh> and hello Emzek
[1:03] <strohi> hmm no ... :)
[1:03] <elfgoh> strohi: wine has been getting very good lately... especially with Playonlinux
[1:03] <elfgoh> mallipeddi: thelaptop HoN == Heroes of Newerth.
[1:04] <elfgoh> mallipeddi: thelaptop it is a RTS game that runs on Linux, WIndows and Mac. Very much like DOTA, a mod of Warcraft 3
[1:04] <strohi> because my mother flames against linux and when something does not work .. the bad linux .. etc ... i something not work on win, its not my problem anymore
[1:04] <thelaptop> elfgoh: oh goodness... why does this website look familiar?
[1:05] <elfgoh> thelaptop: mallipeddi http://heroesofnewerth.com/ Currently in closed beta, but many of us have extra beta keys
[1:05] <elfgoh> thelaptop: which website?
[1:05] <thelaptop> elfgoh: that one you just sent me
[1:05] <thelaptop> elfgoh: i preempted that
[1:05] <elfgoh> thelaptop: heh. Have you seen it already?
[1:06] <Emzek> Hello peeps, noobi here. Can somebody briefly explain what's Debian ?
[1:06] <thelaptop> elfgoh: about 2.5 minutes ago
[1:06] <Emzek> I'm like trying to read up and stuffs. And I don't think i quite understand the concept of linux yet
[1:08] <elfgoh> Emzek: perhaps this is a place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution
[1:11] <Emzek> elfgoh: Thanks. I've read through. So just to clarify, Debian is also an OS like Ubuntu. Or rather Ubuntu is based on Debian.
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[1:12] <yq> heyho ruiwen
[1:12] <concernedcitizen> the OS is linux, debian/ubuntu are like a package
[1:12] <ruiwen> hey yq
[1:12] <ruiwen> hello Isil`Zha =) glad you've joined us here =)
[1:13] <Emzek> concernedcitizen: Ahhh.. So linux is like the main thing, and all the other distros are subsets of it.
[1:14] <concernedcitizen> the other distros are built ontop of linux kernel
[1:14] <Isil`Zha> hi ruiwen. it's nicely lively here :)
[1:15] <Emzek> So when we're saying linux, generally we refer to a type of operating system which was built on top of the linux kernel
[1:15] <Emzek> FooOoooo...Confusing!
[1:16] <ruiwen> Isil`Zha: glad you like it here =) the fun hardly ever stops =P
[1:17] <elfgoh> Emzek: just start using it and learn along the way.... like I did
[1:17] <mallipeddi> Emzek: basically a Linux system comprises of the kernel, and various other opensource software packages which run on the kernel (including your GUI). Now since all the packages are opensource, anyone can take and customize them a little bit, mix-n-match and call the end product their own flavor of linux (Debian/Ubuntu/Gentoo) or sometimes even a commercial product (RedHat Enterprise Linux aka RHEL)
[1:17] <elfgoh> Oh hello elwynne
[1:17] <Isil`Zha> ruiwen: :)
[1:17] <yq> elfgoh: werent u trapped in a room or smthing?
[1:18] <elfgoh> yq: ?!?
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[1:18] <yq> elfgoh: that slackware incident?
[1:19] <elfgoh> yq: well well.... you know you don't have to raise the incident in such a public channel you know...
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[1:21] <elfgoh> Isil`Zha: strohi is also a fellow german
[1:22] <elwynne> elfgoh: hi. i'm only observing in here. :-)
[1:22] <concernedcitizen> woah
[1:22] <concernedcitizen> hi elwynne
[1:22] <elfgoh> elwynne: you sound like a concernedcitizen
[1:22] <concernedcitizen> what did I MISS
[1:22] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: check the logs
[1:23] <elfgoh> :)
[1:23] <elfgoh> Link in channel topic
[1:23] <Isil`Zha> elwynne: nice :)
[1:23] <concernedcitizen> i'm lazy :(
[1:23] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: trust me you missed enough :)
[1:23] <Isil`Zha> elfgoh: sorry wrong complete ^^
[1:24] <jarick> Isil`Zha: The one who changes the future?
[1:24] <elfgoh> Isil`Zha: no worries
[1:24] <jarick> If I recall correctly.
[1:24] <concernedcitizen> ELFGOH YOU TRICKED ME
[1:24] <concernedcitizen> I MISSED NOTHING!
[1:25] <strohi> hi Isil`Zha :D
[1:25] * concernedcitizen licks elfgoh
[1:25] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: hmmm i assumed you disconnected much earlier than the log said.... it was good will I SWEAR!
[1:25] * strohi fails to install wine on a kde livesession :(
[1:25] <concernedcitizen> I want my 5 seconds back
[1:25] <Isil`Zha> jarick: the nick? close. it means "future", "dawn of a new age" or "birth" and it is a stone too ^^
[1:26] <Isil`Zha> hi strohi :)
[1:26] <strohi> from where are you?
[1:26] <Isil`Zha> Ravensburg
[1:26] <strohi> hihi
[1:26] <concernedcitizen> i wanna work in a startup company based in shanghai for some reason
[1:27] <jarick> Isil`Zha: I have a machine somewhere with that hostname.
[1:27] <strohi> i know where ravensburg is
[1:27] <Isil`Zha> ^^
[1:27] <jarick> JMS wasn't too good in keeping the vocabulary straight.
[1:27] <concernedcitizen> i name my machines after battlestar galatica planets/ships
[1:27] <Isil`Zha> jarick: hopefully it doesn't decide to go the way of the stone then ^^
[1:28] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: ngiin had been in Shanghai for 1 year a while back. Just in case you want to talk to him
[1:28] <elfgoh> jarick: were you at SFD?
[1:28] <Isil`Zha> strohi: :) where are you from? and where are you now?
[1:28] <jarick> Isil`Zha: Strangely enough, a colleague has the pin.
[1:28] <jarick> elfgoh: No. Why?
[1:28] * JeremiahViztree is now known as Jeremiah_Away
[1:28] <jarick> Isil`Zha: At least a cast recreation of it from film footage.
[1:28] <jarick> We have nice mills here.
[1:28] <elfgoh> jarick: no just curious. Wondering if I had missed you somehow
[1:29] <strohi> Isil`Zha, i'm from bandenburg/city .. and allready there :D
[1:29] <concernedcitizen> night!
[1:29] <Isil`Zha> jarick: JMS: no "stone" isn't a translation. that's what it actually is. the word's meanings are just the three i mentioned
[1:29] <jarick> Good night concernedcitizen
[1:29] <concernedcitizen> may tomorrow have lots of HoNs
[1:29] <concernedcitizen> HUAT AH
[1:29] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: heh maybe
[1:30] <jarick> Isil`Zha: Err, where are you getting that definition from?
[1:31] <Isil`Zha> jarick: let me check again
[1:31] <elfgoh> oh HoN 1.45 patch is out!
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[1:32] <strohi> oh nice .. i have her 700kbyte down .. but wlan doesnt work :,(
[1:32] <jarick> Isil`Zha: This is what I recall from JMS's notes here.
[1:32] <Isil`Zha> jarick: here: http://www.oinc.net/B5/Enc/display.php?isilzha
[1:32] <jarick> http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/111.html
[1:32] <elfgoh> thelaptop: Hmm where is this meat space you are talking about?
[1:32] <elfgoh> saw it in the logs
[1:33] <thelaptop> elfgoh: meat space is where meat (flesh) exists
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[1:33] <Isil`Zha> brb
[1:33] <thelaptop> elfgoh: what some might call irl or afk
[1:33] * elfgoh facepalms
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[1:33] <strohi> oh, the battery runs empty
[1:33] <jarick> elfgoh: Getting shocked by strobe capacitor dischages was the highlight of my day.
[1:34] <elfgoh> Oh hello torressilva !
[1:35] <ruiwen> hello thelaptop
[1:35] <thelaptop> ruiwen: you sound familiar. have i met you in meatspace before?
[1:35] <torressilva> hello
[1:35] <ruiwen> thelaptop: yup, we spoke just now at sfd
[1:36] <thelaptop> ruiwen: ah! so it was you i spoke with
[1:36] <thelaptop> ruiwen: names and faces do not bear strong correlations for me
[1:36] <thelaptop> ruiwen: i apologise
[1:37] <elfgoh> mallipeddi: Barcamp Singapore coming again in Mid Nov i think
[1:37] <elfgoh> fyi
[1:37] <thelaptop> elfgoh: barcamp singapore?
[1:37] <thelaptop> elfgoh: we camp out outside of changi prison?
[1:37] <elfgoh> thelaptop: that's right
[1:37] <ruiwen> thelaptop: not a problem =) welcome to #linuxnus
[1:37] <elfgoh> thelaptop: no we find a bar in Singapore and camp out there
[1:38] <mallipeddi> won't make it. I'm coming to SG after the FOSS.MY weekend.
[1:38] <thelaptop> elfgoh: uh... i'm non-alcoholic when i'm not programming
[1:38] <thelaptop> elfgoh: which is... most of the time
[1:38] <jarick> elfgoh: Do you camp around the largest bar of the area, and is there any preferred bar orientation or material?
[1:40] <elfgoh> jarick: you need to camp 42 degrees with respect to the bar door
[1:40] <jarick> elfgoh: What if the door is made of bars?
[1:40] <thelaptop> elfgoh: we making an octagon? huh?
[1:41] * thelaptop is clearly confused
[1:41] <elfgoh> jarick: thelaptop http://www.barcamp.org/BarCampSingapore4
[1:42] <thelaptop> hmmm.... socialising in meat space....
[1:42] <jarick> elfgoh: But the last barcamp wasn't near a bar!
[1:42] <thelaptop> tempting... but i'll pass
[1:43] <elfgoh> jarick: the bar closed down
[1:43] * elfgoh sees "Play 1000+ chords with just 5 guitar chords - JasonOng" as a barcamp topic
[1:43] <yq> er haha
[1:43] <elfgoh> and wth The Economics of Dating - Bernard "
[1:45] <thelaptop> elfgoh: "do not play the game"
[1:45] <strohi> nice :>
[1:45] <jarick> We need someone to formalize courtship in terms of game theory.
[1:45] <strohi> in wine does the app show the same error as under winxp :X elfgoh
[1:46] <thelaptop> jarick: it was done
[1:46] <jarick> thelaptop: It was?
[1:46] <thelaptop> jarick: shown to be a dynamic system -- winning move is not to play
[1:46] <elfgoh> strohi: I did not completely understand your question. Could you rephrase?
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[1:47] <jarick> thelaptop: I see, but what if there were a negative weight to not playing?
[1:47] <strohi> the app, this doenst work anymore under winxp .. show with wine the same errorcode
[1:47] <jarick> Say societal bounds?
[1:48] <jarick> What then would be a partial steady state? I assume there'd be local stability.
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[1:51] <ruiwen> hello triplez jmarki
[1:51] <triplez> hey
[1:51] <thelaptop> jarick: my nickname should raise alarm bells as to what i think about dating
[1:52] <jarick> thelaptop: It's a senseless waste of perfectly good time?
[1:52] <triplez> still not sleeping ruiwen ?
[1:52] <strohi> gn8
[1:52] <thelaptop> jarick: i wouldn't say senseless, but i would say that people often do not know what they want exactly
[1:52] <thelaptop> jarick: and that causes all KINDS of problems in the end
[1:52] <ruiwen> triplez: nope not yet, processingp photos
[1:52] <ruiwen> triplez: got your hero?
[1:53] <triplez> no
[1:53] <thelaptop> jarick: and people leave the relationship feeling more and more cynical
[1:53] <triplez> :(
[1:53] <yq> man
[1:53] <triplez> sad
[1:53] <yq> i want to get hero too
[1:53] <yq> ruiwen: its really cheap... 298 for one of the cheaper plans... iplusone
[1:53] <yq> and with 200 trade in... 98 for me.. .too bad its sold out
[1:54] <ruiwen> yq: for the hero? or magic?
[1:54] <elfgoh> triplez: where is the other justin??!
[1:54] <ruiwen> triplez: sold out?
[1:54] <elfgoh> He promised to be here!
[1:54] <triplez> singtel = finished
[1:54] <triplez> no more online stock
[1:54] <yq> hero
[1:54] <yq> cheap cheap
[1:54] <jarick> thelaptop: Ah.
[1:54] <jarick> Going to sleep!
[1:54] <ruiwen> yq: that's really not bad
[1:54] <triplez> and they won't be restocking until further notice
[1:54] <thelaptop> jarick: see you around
[1:54] <jarick> Good night!
[1:55] <thelaptop> hmm
[1:55] <ruiwen> triplez: wow.. just like 3GS when it launched
[1:55] * ruiwen wonders if the shortage is intentional
[1:55] <triplez> yah... so i have no choice but to get from starhub
[1:55] <thelaptop> not sure if i should hang out here for time T, T \in\mathbb{R}^{+}
[1:55] <yq> triplez: wait for awhile?
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[1:56] <elfgoh> patrickhaller: triplez: ruiwen check out this Chaos Communication Congress http://www.ccc.de/congress/?language=en Cool stuff from Germany courtesy of strohi
[1:57] <triplez> yq: a while? how long while?
[1:57] <triplez> i waited for almost 3 months already
[1:57] <triplez> without a smart phone for 3 whole months
[1:58] <patrickhaller> elfgoh: CCC = good
[1:58] <yq> hmm hmmmmmmmm
[1:58] <patrickhaller> DE has a strong hacker culture
[1:58] <yq> elfgoh: heh i just mentioened that to ruiwen
[1:58] <thelaptop> patrickhaller: DE?
[1:59] <patrickhaller> deutschland = de = germany
[1:59] <patrickhaller> TLD
[1:59] <thelaptop> ah!
[1:59] <elfgoh> patrickhaller: yea and I glad we have Isil`Zha and strohi here :)
[1:59] <ruiwen> patrickhaller: indeed.. was just discussing c-base with marioB over drinks just now
[1:59] <thelaptop> that's what i thought... just wanted to be sure
[1:59] <ruiwen> very interesting
[1:59] <triplez> and?
[1:59] <patrickhaller> you bet. german youth seem to have a leg up on coordination
[2:00] <patrickhaller> lots of youth centers
[2:00] <elfgoh> patrickhaller: wrong 2 legs ;)
[2:00] <patrickhaller> or maybe it's the strong engineering ethic
[2:00] <patrickhaller> make things
[2:00] <ruiwen> patrickhaller: what kind of coordination do you mean?
[2:01] <patrickhaller> each german city i've visited has a large youth center
[2:01] <ruiwen> triplez: apparently marioB lives across the street from c-base or something, so he's spent a lot of time there
[2:01] <patrickhaller> kids can get together and make stuff happen
[2:01] <patrickhaller> don't need a RoS ;)
[2:01] <ruiwen> patrickhaller: yeah, that bit here is annoyign
[2:02] <triplez> RoS = ?
[2:02] <patrickhaller> specially if you're not of legal consent age
[2:02] <patrickhaller> registry of societies
[2:02] <yq> ruiwen: here got commonity centre... liek the logo i made for "collaboration" in poster
[2:03] <ruiwen> patrickhaller: though, i'm not so sure if it's the RoS requirement here that's stopping kids from experimenting and making stuff
[2:03] <thelaptop> i'll be blunt: lot's of singaporean kids are too damn lazy
[2:03] <patrickhaller> meng would point to too much school work
[2:03] <patrickhaller> which means any community stuff is just another place to do schoolwork
[2:04] <ruiwen> patrickhaller: i'd agree with that.. kids are too focused on getting their schoolwork done to even think about other things
[2:04] <triplez> and?
[2:04] <ruiwen> it's just the general culture i think, that places official school work way above any form of creative expression/experimentation
[2:05] <patrickhaller> i'd point to the JWZ Criterion
[2:06] <patrickhaller> of all the things a kid can do, which ones will increase the odds of having a girlfriend/boyfriend?
[2:06] <ruiwen> patrickhaller: what's that?
[2:07] <patrickhaller> if creativity in class doesn't do that, then kids won't really go for it
[2:07] <patrickhaller> it seems like clothes, cars, brand-name colleges
[2:07] <patrickhaller> any others?
[2:08] <patrickhaller> how do you signal your intelligence?
[2:08] <ruiwen> in singapore schools? talking back to the teacher is one i guess
[2:09] <patrickhaller> is that a point up in the social rankings?
[2:10] <patrickhaller> ah well, fun stuff to think over.
[2:10] <patrickhaller> i guess monday we'll see more info about the hackerspace
[2:10] <ruiwen> well the snider the remarks, the more ppl talked about that person
[2:10] * triplez pats patrickhaller
[2:10] <inimical> wow 34 people
[2:10] <triplez> now you see how "special" singapore is...
[2:11] <ruiwen> whether or not it made that person appear more attractive/intelligent, i don't really know
[2:11] <patrickhaller> wow. like talking down to a teacher?
[2:11] <patrickhaller> eeps
[2:11] <ruiwen> patrickhaller: i would say the more common case is to attempt to not stand out in any way
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[2:12] <patrickhaller> a bunch of clones.
[2:12] <triplez> drones you mean
[2:13] <patrickhaller> i've been thinking a bunch about clones recently
[2:13] <patrickhaller> like if you could clone yourself genetically
[2:13] <patrickhaller> how many times would you do it
[2:13] <jamesty2> what can we do to improve this clone/drone culture?
[2:13] <patrickhaller> most sci-fi assumes that you'd get along with your clones
[2:13] <patrickhaller> ignore it, and hack on stuff
[2:14] <patrickhaller> do interesting things
[2:14] <patrickhaller> get known
[2:14] <patrickhaller> date hot korean girls
[2:14] <ruiwen> patrickhaller: jamesty2: reward creativity and accept that failing is not the end of the world i'm thinking
[2:14] <patrickhaller> get in the straits times doing that
[2:15] <triplez> lol
[2:15] <patrickhaller> so kids see you standing out and doing cool stuff
[2:15] <patrickhaller> be a role model
[2:15] <jamesty2> patrickhaller, ruiwen: MOE (ministry of education) is trying to do all those
[2:15] <jamesty2> but changing culture takes time
[2:15] <patrickhaller> date hot korean girls?
[2:15] <yq> yeah i think its kinda rooted in asian cultures?
[2:15] <patrickhaller> i'm going to enroll ... ;)
[2:15] <yq> to not stand out?
[2:16] <yq> like some kinds go singing in the train probably the parents will ask him to stf up
[2:16] <jamesty2> yq: there is some truth to that, but singaporeans tend to be a bit more extreme
[2:16] <yq> though i think its slowly changing
[2:17] <jamesty2> yq: agreed
[2:17] <yq> er? jamesty how extreme? haha
[2:17] <patrickhaller> how would you measure "standing out"?
[2:17] <jamesty2> yq: i mean, if you look at some of the foreign students from HK, China, Taiwan, they do not seem to be afraid to stand out as much as Singaporeans in general
[2:18] <mallipeddi> ruiwen: patrickhaller it's the same in any Asian country as well. Too much emphasis on school grades, academic achievements, etc. Same in India. Things like creativity, experimentation, etc are not valued highly enough by these societies. Main reason is in these countries if you fail because of experimentation in your youth, you're looking at a pretty shitty life ahead of you - the standard of living for an avg person is very low compared to countries
[2:18] <yq> patrickhaller: its like... in a situation where a kid starts making a bit of noise in the train. there's a chance that the parent will go crazy and shut him up or smthing.
[2:19] <yq> mallipeddi: yeah and its this sort of thinking that breeds these kind of culture.. and its just never ending =P
[2:20] <patrickhaller> but with that much pressure, you'd expect a higher suicide rate
[2:21] <ruiwen> patrickhaller: yq: i would say that "standing out" also seems to include "being noticed". like if a student, or a subordinate, in the presence of a superiors, is afraid of voicing his thoughts if he thinks they are likely to a) offend, b) go against that of his superior
[2:21] <jamesty2> mallipeddi: i absolutely agree
[2:22] <mallipeddi> patrickhaller: btw it's not that uncommon in India for students to commit suicide just because they failed an exam or couldn't get into an undergrad school they wanted to.
[2:22] <yq> ruiwen: or even C) performing better than peers
[2:22] <yq> becomes "spoil market"
[2:22] <yq> hah.. we even have a term for it
[2:22] <patrickhaller> "spoil market"?
[2:23] <ruiwen> mallipeddi: i wonder how failing at creativity early in life would lead to a "shitty life" ahead.. would it because, like yq said, that superiors view that as a negative trait?
[2:23] <ruiwen> patrickhaller: it means raising the bar for your peers
[2:23] <patrickhaller> for real?
[2:23] <yq> patrickhaller: yeah kind of like someone doing more than required or more than the others
[2:23] <patrickhaller> that's expressly what you're supposed to do in the States
[2:24] <ruiwen> patrickhaller: yes, like in class, if a teacher asks a question, and only one student knows the answer, sometimes he wouldn't volunteer that
[2:24] <patrickhaller> the best thing you can do is destroy your class
[2:24] <yq> haha
[2:24] <inimical> ruiwen: so true
[2:24] <ruiwen> patrickhaller: only if a few start to show that they will answer will they all somewhat agree with one another
[2:24] <Isil`Zha> jarick: just checked your link. that's a nice one. thanks :)
[2:25] <patrickhaller> wow
[2:25] <inimical> although it's rather a given fact that if you stand out in pri/sec school classes, you'll get badmouthed by a portion of people
[2:26] <mallipeddi> ruiwen: well in India you've to plan things out perfectly to achieve a decent std of life (you can life comfortably - you've a house, you've a car, etc). lots of these things are given for the most part in most European countries. Even if you fail, ok you may not have had that awesome 6-figure salary/career ahead of you, but you still have the basic things that you need to lead a comfortable life.
[2:26] <patrickhaller> same in the states, we don't have complete isolation
[2:26] <patrickhaller> even smart people go to school with retards
[2:26] <patrickhaller> big big social problems there
[2:27] <patrickhaller> but all the smart kids know that at the 20th year reunion they'll have good lives
[2:27] <triplez> ruiwen: imo it's not the case anymore... standing out. from what i'm seeing (the grown ups) there are quite a number who stands out and don't really mind, and those who wants to stand out and just fails at that
[2:27] <ruiwen> on a side note, i also find some singaporeans so completely fixated on achieving the "desired" results that they lose track of the aim of obtaining of those results in the first place, eg. "I must score above 90 on my tests", as opposed to "my test scores are an indication of how well i've learnt my stuff"
[2:27] <patrickhaller> same in the states
[2:28] <ruiwen> triplez: perhaps, times are changing, yes.. but i think those willing to step out are not yet the majority
[2:28] <inimical> ruiwen: i thought it was "i have to score above 90 in my test so i must learn my stuff well"
[2:28] <patrickhaller> there has to be a reward for doing so
[2:28] <mallipeddi> ruiwen: hehe....have seen that in NUS.
[2:29] <ruiwen> inimical: well, at least that's understanding the purpose behind the test scores
[2:29] <triplez> ruiwen: apparently you haven't seen the divas of social media yet... *Scary*
[2:29] <Isil`Zha> hmmm... my browser is not supported?! http://susestudio.com/account/login i'm using firefox
[2:29] <patrickhaller> ok, i haz to go pass out.
[2:29] <patrickhaller> seeyz
[2:30] <triplez> see you patrickhaller
[2:30] <triplez> good discussion
[2:30] <jamesty2> Isil`Zha: ? works for me
[2:30] <Isil`Zha> 3.5.3 to be precise
[2:30] <ruiwen> one example is my friend telling me whilst in the Army, that the best way to become a marksman, was to aim slightly below the target in the range so that the bullet would richochet off the sand and hit the target most of the time
[2:30] <jamesty2> Isil`Zha: you get that all the time?
[2:30] <Isil`Zha> which version?
[2:30] <Isil`Zha> i'll clear the cache and try again
[2:30] <triplez> serious?
[2:31] <yq> bye patrickhaller
[2:31] <Isil`Zha> yes, again
[2:31] <yq> im off too
[2:31] <yq> nite
[2:31] <ruiwen> goodnight patrickhaller
[2:31] <ruiwen> goodnight yq
[2:31] <ruiwen> good discussion tonight indeed
[2:31] <jamesty2> Isil`Zha: please file a bug via the feedback email
[2:31] <Isil`Zha> gn8 to both of you ;)
[2:31] <jamesty2> nites guys!
[2:31] <triplez> i mean serious to ruiwen
[2:31] <triplez> :P
[2:31] <jamesty2> ruiwen: huh i've never heard of that technique before
[2:32] <jamesty2> ruiwen: and i seriously doubt that works ;)
[2:32] <ruiwen> triplez: i've never met the hardcore social media people.. are you saying that they're those completely unafraid to speak out?
[2:32] * jamesty2 used to train recruits how to shoot at range
[2:32] <ruiwen> jamesty2: haha according to my friend it worked for him =P
[2:33] <elfgoh> ruiwen: his zeroing sucks la
[2:33] <mallipeddi> *observation* you get a bunch of Singaporeans together. they'll pretty soon talk about NS :)
[2:33] <triplez> lol
[2:33] <jamesty2> haha
[2:33] <triplez> ruiwen: yes
[2:33] <ruiwen> jamesty2: but that's a classic example of focusing too much on achieving the result (making marksman), and forgetting about the larger goal (learning to shoot accurately)
[2:33] <jamesty2> ruiwen: yeah
[2:34] <ruiwen> sorry to bring in NS mallipeddi, heh, just wanted to highlight that example coz it struck me pretty deeply
[2:34] <jamesty2> mallipeddi: hey how's life over there
[2:34] <mallipeddi> ruiwen: no probs. just an observation :)
[2:34] <Isil`Zha> jamesty2: is it the version? actually before it tells me that it claims that i have cookies blocked. which isn't true
[2:35] <ruiwen> mallipeddi: it's true, though.. was just telling someone else about it today too =p
[2:35] <mallipeddi> jamesty2: life's good. going on a month-long trip to USA next week. looking forward to it.
[2:36] <jamesty2> Isil`Zha: no it should work for all version of firefox
[2:36] <Isil`Zha> jamesty2: i see. do you have a lower version working or the same?
[2:37] <jamesty2> Isil`Zha: i have several different versions, but yeah i'm sure it's supposed to work in all version of firefox
[2:38] <jamesty2> if ($.browser.mozilla || $.browser.safari || $.browser.opera) { $unsupported.hide(); } else { ...
[2:38] <Isil`Zha> hmm
[2:38] <jamesty2> that's the browser detection code ^^
[2:38] <jamesty2> which uses jQuery
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[2:38] <jamesty2> mallipeddi: nice! i saw your tweet on that. is that a business trip?
[2:40] <mallipeddi> jamesty2: vacation/business - my parents live on the East coast now. Visiting them for a couple of weeks. Then I'll be off to the Sunnyvale office for the rest of the month. I'm also attending the Hadoop Summit at NYC.
[2:41] <Isil`Zha> jamesty2: i'm a bit worried that noscript messes with it but i turned it off for the site, which usually works fine
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[2:41] <Isil`Zha> opera has no issu
[2:41] <Isil`Zha> e
[2:42] <Isil`Zha> i'll file a bug later after i verified it's not the extension
[2:42] <jamesty2> mallipeddi: wow nice
[2:43] <jamesty2> Isil`Zha: great
[2:44] <triplez> oh jamesty2
[2:44] <Isil`Zha> jamesty2: alright. the buck is passed to noscript ;) deactivating the extension makes the site work fine. weird enough still
[2:44] <triplez> i've something to tell you
[2:44] <jamesty2> Isil`Zha: we hate noscript
[2:44] <Isil`Zha> ^^
[2:44] <mallipeddi> jamesty2: just checking out susestudio after a while. what happened to the logins you sent me during the alpha period? Now I only see the OpenID login option.
[2:44] <jamesty2> triplez: ?
[2:44] <triplez> MS sg is also looking at doing a clone of suse-studio for windows 7... but more for internal partners
[2:44] <triplez> OEM partners
[2:45] <jamesty2> mallipeddi: yeah we dropped email to id
[2:45] <jamesty2> mallipeddi: it sucks
[2:45] <jamesty2> triplez: oh that's not surprising
[2:46] <triplez> jamesty2: :) just thought you might be interested to know
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[2:46] <jamesty2> triplez: yup, thanks
[2:46] <jamesty2> triplez: you seem to be busy blogging reviews these days?
[2:46] <triplez> :) just happened to get fancy gadgets to play with
[2:47] <Isil`Zha> ok, now i just need an invite :)
[2:47] <triplez> but i'll start writing dev stuff very soon again... :)
[2:47] <jamesty2> Isil`Zha: you shoulld get one in 15mins
[2:47] <mallipeddi> jamesty2: ok it let me login fine using OpenID.
[2:47] <Isil`Zha> jamesty2: great
[2:48] <jamesty2> hrm i should attempt to blog
[2:48] <jamesty2> does anyone what any blog host recommendations?
[2:48] <triplez> wordpress.com
[2:48] <triplez> posterous.com
[2:48] <triplez> blogspot.com
[2:49] <triplez> that's about all i'll recommend... :P the rest are too... personal blogs... kinda
[2:49] <triplez> unless you're into those?
[2:51] <Isil`Zha> jamesty2: ok. looks nice. i'll test this tomorrow (or, well, rather "later" ^^). thanks ;)
[2:55] <mallipeddi> jamesty2: I use tumblr.com. I like it. Very minimalistic.
[2:57] <triplez> night
[3:03] <jamesty2> triplez: nights
[3:03] <jamesty2> mallipeddi: oo tumblr has nice themes
[3:05] <elfgoh> dwu: or any other perlers... wondering if there is any interest to port frozen bubble to windows... read that there isn't such a port yet
[3:06] <elfgoh> at leat not the latest version
[3:08] <elfgoh> Only 1.0.0 windows port available, but it is now 2.2.0
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[3:13] <dwu> elfgoh: I love perl, but have no interest at all in coding for windows.
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[8:08] <concernedcitizen> ZE CLOUD
[8:08] <concernedcitizen> morning
[8:09] <concernedcitizen> awww, I miss jamestyj :(
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[10:57] <thelaptop> pretty quiet in here
[10:57] * concernedcitizen licks thelaptop
[10:58] <thelaptop> concernedcitizen: keep your licking to yourself good citoyen
[10:58] <concernedcitizen> I can't reach :(
[10:59] <ziroday> whee for super easy rom installs
[11:35] <inimical> good morning all
[11:36] <concernedcitizen> in other news, 'lich' is now in HoN
[11:36] <concernedcitizen> as plague rider.
[11:38] <inimical> what were the skills translated as
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[14:29] <ruiwen> Pics are up
[14:29] <ruiwen> SFD 09: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ruiwen/sets/72157622290106025/
[14:29] <ruiwen> installfest: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ruiwen/sets/72157622411570442/
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[14:32] <hyperair> ooh
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[14:35] <concernedcitize1> oo prawn!
[14:36] <ruiwen> prawn?
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[15:24] <jmarki> !twitter Jono's The Art Of Community under CC-BY-NC-SA license http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/
[15:26] <jarick> IT'S ALIVE!
[15:26] <jarick> MY CLS SLAVE FLASH SYNC WORKS!!!!!!
[15:28] <jarick> http://www.zooomr.com/z/photos/zoom/8190688/size-32/
[15:28] <jarick> \o/
[15:28] <jarick> 14 hours of hacking at it!
[15:28] <jarick> Ambient lighting is with a SB600
[15:28] <jarick> On CLS slave mode, channel 3a
[15:30] <jarick> I probably should clean up my desk.
[15:31] <thinkstrohi> g'day
[15:31] <concernedcitize1> I noticed the photos of SFD in ruiwen's flickr is full of kids
[15:32] <jmarki> ruiwen's a family guy! =D
[15:32] <concernedcitize1> ;)
[15:36] <concernedcitize1> ahh hi elfgoh, i see you've won something
[15:37] <SilverWolf> hehe
[15:42] * jmarki wonders how to automatically make photos horizontally aligned
[15:46] <jarick> jmarki: First solve the "identify horizontal edge" problem first.
[15:46] <jarick> s/first.$//
[15:46] <jarick> Might work if the camera's exif data has raw accelerometer data
[15:47] <jmarki> sigh...
[15:48] * jmarki thinks his "soft touch" pressing the button has to be softer then
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[15:50] <dwu> Heh, I think the kids photos were taken by me.
[15:50] <jarick> dwu: Were you in a pedobear costume?
[15:51] <dwu> No.
[15:51] <jarick> I'm amazed at how many people think pedobear is cute.
[15:52] * dwu has no idea what pedobear is.
[15:53] <jarick> dwu: Google.
[15:54] <dwu> Better things to do.
[15:54] <jmarki> jarick: what made you say that?!?
[15:55] <jarick> jmarki: Say what?
[15:55] <jarick> It's just noise in the neurons.
[15:55] <jmarki> pedobear
[15:55] <jarick> jmarki: Random thought.
[15:56] <jmarki> ah.... okay....
[15:56] <jarick> Someone stuck a 4chan link in another channel.
[15:56] <jarick> jmarki: Why the interrobang?
[15:57] <jmarki> what's interrobang?
[15:58] <jarick> jmarki: Technically, the '‽' character.
[15:58] <jarick> But also can be used to refer to the ?!? sequence.
[15:58] <jarick> Or any other varient.
[16:03] * elfgoh thinks it is a good time to do some housework today
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[16:14] <concernedcitize1> did I hear a pedobear?
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[16:42] <kelvinq> woo, yq is not here.
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[17:13] <concernedcitize1> oops
[17:13] <concernedcitize1> wrong butan
[17:16] <thinkstrohi> the red one?
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[17:16] <concernedcitize1> ja.
[17:17] <concernedcitize1> I must say, the intro video of HoN on the website is pretty coal
[17:17] <concernedcitize1> http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/
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[17:24] <elfgoh> HoN is awesome!
[17:24] <concernedcitize1> i'm playing on the lowest graphical settings
[17:24] <concernedcitize1> so i was kinda surprised it looked that good
[17:29] * concernedcitize1 is tempted to try lxde
[17:30] <elfgoh> concernedcitize1: go on and try it. ain't going to hurt
[17:30] <concernedcitize1> yup
[17:30] * hyperair doesn't have enough hard disk space to accomodate more than one DE.
[17:31] <hyperair> once the ubuntu in NTU is resynced, i'll consider freeing up some space
[17:31] <elfgoh> hyperair: well lxde doesn't take up a lot of space IIRC
[17:32] <concernedcitize1> ubuntu in ntu is resynced?
[17:32] <concernedcitize1> what?
[17:32] <hyperair> er
[17:32] <hyperair> ubuntu mirror
[17:32] <hyperair> no internet connection means cannot sync
[17:32] <hyperair> cannot sync means it's > 3 months out of date.
[17:33] <hyperair> more than 3 months out of date means that several GB worth of downloading is required
[17:33] <concernedcitize1> i think for my next reformat
[17:33] <concernedcitize1> i'll give archlinux a try
[17:33] <concernedcitize1> hehehe
[17:33] <hyperair> =O
[17:33] <hyperair> it's a good distro
[17:37] <elfgoh> hyperair: what's the reason you left arch again?
[17:45] <ziroday> arch is nice, except that they're community can be a bunch of asshats
[17:45] <ziroday> err s/they're/their
[17:46] <thinkstrohi> ... it seems so, that every body have this opinion ziroday O.o
[17:46] <ziroday> thinkstrohi, heh :)
[17:46] <thinkstrohi> :)
[17:47] <thinkstrohi> it runs here on my testmachine since 4 days ... because thats the only rolling distro without compiling, i know :/
[17:47] <ziroday> on the other hand pacman is lovely, and rolling release is funs
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[17:47] <thinkstrohi> emerge/portage \o/ *waves*
[17:48] <ziroday> never tried gentoo, probably should before it dies out
[17:48] <thinkstrohi> :p
[17:48] <thinkstrohi> >/CTCP thinkstrohi version
[17:48] <thinkstrohi> :p
[17:50] <ziroday> oh dear and my new bloody case has a broken fan already
[17:56] <thinkstrohi> O_o
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[18:18] <concernedcitize1> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_version_10_04_going_to_be_codenamed_Lucid_Lynx
[18:18] <concernedcitize1> oh heyo
[18:20] * dwu still awaits Sexy Skunk and Kinky Kangaroo.
[18:20] <concernedcitize1> Mammylicous Mommies
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[18:31] <triplez> hello
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[18:33] <triplez> ziyong!
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[18:49] <SilverWolf> triplez, hey
[18:49] <triplez> hey
[18:50] <SilverWolf> hony?
[18:56] <triplez> no sorry
[18:56] <triplez> tred
[18:59] <SilverWolf> tred? :-)
[19:03] <concernedcitize1> WORD
[19:04] <concernedcitize1> to spend 1.7k or not to spend
[19:04] <SilverWolf> argh.. new hon update
[19:04] <SilverWolf> concernedcitize1, on what?
[19:05] <concernedcitize1> t400
[19:05] <SilverWolf> ah
[19:05] <SilverWolf> what specs does it have?
[19:06] <concernedcitize1> http://www.smu.edu.sg/cit/helpdesk/downloads/09_LEN_FF.pdf
[19:07] <SilverWolf> nice :-)
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[19:58] <ziyong> ?
[20:03] <SilverWolf> ??
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[20:16] <davidc_> ?
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[20:37] <jarick> http://www.zooomr.com/z/photos/zoom/8191894/size-32/
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[22:45] <concernedcitizen> anyone up for a gam?
[22:47] <elfgoh> meeeeee
[22:47] * concernedcitizen licks elfgoh
[22:47] <jarick> A herd of whales?
[22:47] * strohi waves
[22:47] <concernedcitizen> gay asian male
[22:48] * concernedcitizen entering game
[22:49] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: wait need to open laptop
[22:49] <elfgoh> switch on i mean
[22:49] <concernedcitizen> sure.
[22:50] * concernedcitizen loves the feeling when he commits a bugfix
[22:51] <jarick> concernedcitizen: The scary feeling where you don't know if someone is going to file a bug report against your fix?
[22:52] <concernedcitizen> don't remind me!
[22:52] <concernedcitizen> :(
[22:52] <jarick> http://www.zooomr.com/z/photos/zoom/8191894/size-16/
[22:53] <jarick> I got bored just now.
[22:54] * concernedcitizen waits for elfgoh
[22:54] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: patching
[22:55] <freeside> who's entering a gay asian male?
[22:55] <elfgoh> lmao
[22:55] <concernedcitizen> what's a good bugtracker with git repo support nowadays?
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[22:59] <freeside> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40495/bug-tracker-setup-with-git-integration
[22:59] <freeside> http://hiddenreflex.com/main/?p=28
[22:59] <freeside> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=231558
[23:00] <freeside> http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/InterfacesFrontendsAndToolsWishlist
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[23:17] <ini_mobile> hmm...what's on for recess week?
[23:17] <freeside> HoN
[23:18] <ini_mobile> hell no
[23:18] <concernedcitizen> thanks mang
[23:19] * ini_mobile wishes starcraft 2 would release itself already
[23:19] <concernedcitizen> i'm still waiting for my duke nukem forever.
[23:19] <freeside> did any of y'all try Spore?
[23:20] <freeside> it was so hyped ... how is it now that it's released?
[23:20] <concernedcitizen> it wasn't that fun actually
[23:20] <concernedcitizen> :(
[23:20] <ini_mobile> hasn't spore been around for a year
[23:21] <ini_mobile> or am i dreaming
[23:22] <concernedcitizen> it has.
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[23:25] <ini_mobile> hi quadruplez
[23:25] <triplez> hi
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