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[0:17] <ruiwen> hello inimical
[0:17] <inimical> hello
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[0:25] <elfgoh> !twitter Bento Windows XP: http://i29.tinypic.com/2imb6dg.jpg
[0:26] <inimical> i'd be the first to eat that
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[0:43] <elfgoh> hello lingxue
[0:44] <lingxue> hi
[0:44] <lingxue> i get some question =)
[0:44] <elfgoh> lingxue: ok. What is it?
[0:45] <lingxue> how to sense my thumbdrive?
[0:45] <elfgoh> lingxue: let me check my virtualbox ;)
[0:46] <lingxue> okay :)
[0:46] <hyperair> when's my penguin bento coming?
[0:46] <lingxue> why do you stay so late? working?
[0:46] <ruiwen> lingxue: in virtualbox you might be able to connect your thumbdrive from the Devices menu of the VirtualBox window?
[0:46] <inimical> lingxue: we all stay up till 3-4 am usually
[0:47] <lingxue> = =!!
[0:47] <lingxue> unhealthy
[0:47] <inimical> hyperair: i'd rather a mac os x bento
[0:47] <hyperair> inimical: that'll be a rotten apple.
[0:47] <hyperair> inimical: i don't want to eat rotten apples.
[0:48] <elfgoh> lingxue: is ruiwen 's answer helpful?
[0:48] <inimical> hyperair: actually i think it would just consist of rice
[0:48] <inimical> since macbooks are white and all
[0:48] <hyperair> inimical: doesn't make sense.
[0:49] <hyperair> either way who wants to eat a bento with nothing but rice?
[0:49] <lingxue> unknown device 0951:1602
[0:49] <inimical> hyperair: no one
[0:50] <lingxue> error
[0:50] <hyperair> inimical: exactly. hence if that's what a macosx bento is, it's fail.
[0:50] <elfgoh> lingxue: hmmm let me load my Virtual Machine and see what happens
[0:50] <lingxue> thanks
[0:51] <ruiwen> lingxue: could you check which version of virtualbox you have installed?
[0:52] <lingxue> version 3.0.6
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[0:57] <elfgoh> Any one got virtualbox handy?
[0:57] <ruiwen> elfgoh: unable to replicate here
[0:57] <elfgoh> Am trying to see how to mount a usb device in Virtualbox
[0:57] <elfgoh> lingxue: can you paste a screenshot showing the error?
[0:58] <hyperair> elfgoh: why?
[0:58] <lingxue> i am afraid you have to teach me how to paste a screenshot
[0:58] <hyperair> elfgoh: i personally just have my /media as a shared folder in virtualbox.
[0:58] <lingxue> it's not that user friendly
[0:58] <hyperair> lingxue: oh yes it is. just press print screen.
[0:59] <hyperair> lingxue: it's standard on all systems, even windows and mac if i'm not mistaken
[0:59] <elfgoh> hyperair: she's running an ubuntu VM
[0:59] <lingxue> where?
[0:59] <hyperair> aahh
[0:59] <ruiwen> hyperair: heh no PrtScrn on a Mac =P not on the laptops anyway
[0:59] <hyperair> hmph. stupid mac keyboards
[0:59] <ruiwen> i agree
[0:59] <hyperair> i've always hated them. now i hate them more.
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[0:59] <hyperair> them and their stupid input devices
[1:00] <elfgoh> lingxue: http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2152829/MyKeyboard_Full.jpg
[1:00] <hyperair> i'll never forget the stupidity that was the one-button mouse
[1:00] * ini_ is now known as inimical
[1:00] <elfgoh> make sure your cursor is not stuck in the vm
[1:00] <inimical> hyperair: eh i thought the 1 button mouse was cool
[1:00] <inimical> but then i only used it for half an hour
[1:00] <elfgoh> lingxue: or http://clubpenguinrockout.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/keyboard-print-screen.gif for a clearer pic
[1:01] <hyperair> inimical: you and you alone.
[1:01] <hyperair> inimical: two button mice are stupid. but the one button mouse is even more stupid.
[1:01] <hyperair> inimical: at least you could use threebutton emulation with a twobutton mouse.
[1:01] <elfgoh> lingxue: after pressing go to an image program and "paste"
[1:01] <hyperair> with a one-button mouse, what do you get? control+click as right click
[1:02] <hyperair> you seriously cannot get anything more stupid than that.
[1:02] <inimical> hyperair: well kinda cool for half an hour
[1:02] <inimical> hyperair: a refreshing break from my 5-button mouse
[1:02] <hyperair> meh
[1:02] <lingxue> no reflection~
[1:02] <inimical> lingxue: reflection?
[1:02] <lingxue> no use
[1:03] <hyperair> inimical: if i break both your legs, and one arm, leaving you with only one functional appendage, would you say "it's a refreshing break from my usual 4 appendages"?
[1:03] <ruiwen> lingxue: you won't see anything after pressing the button, you need to go to a program like Paint, then select Edit->Paste
[1:03] <lingxue> oh i know, similar to windows
[1:03] <lingxue> okay, get it
[1:04] <ruiwen> lingxue: btw, where are you getting the error? inside the virtual machine? or in XP itself?
[1:04] <lingxue> inside the virtual machine
[1:05] <elfgoh> lingxue: after getting the screenshot can you upload to http://tinypic.com?
[1:06] <ruiwen> lingxue: the error message pops up inside the virtual machine?
[1:06] <ruiwen> lingxue: but yes, do screenshot the error as elfgoh has suggested =)
[1:06] <lingxue> yup
[1:07] <lingxue> i still cannot get the screenshot
[1:08] <ruiwen> lingxue: try grabbing the screenshot when you're outside of the VM?
[1:08] <elfgoh> lingxue: try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkMfCKmhmmc
[1:08] <lingxue> are you sure laptop get this function?
[1:08] <strohi> hello singapur :D
[1:08] <elfgoh> lingxue: can you follow the youtube link for capturing screenshot?
[1:09] <hyperair> singapore.
[1:09] <strohi> oh damn :/
[1:09] <hyperair> =)
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[1:09] <strohi> i'm sry
[1:09] <concernedcitizen> halo
[1:09] <inimical> hyperair: no, i'd say ouch
[1:10] <inimical> with a capital O
[1:10] <hyperair> inimical: heheh. how about if there was a way to do it painlessly? =p
[1:10] <lingxue> okay. i need some time :)
[1:10] <inimical> hyperair: i'd take that offer...for maybe a 1 minute test
[1:10] <hyperair> xD
[1:11] <inimical> of course i want my appendages back
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[1:11] <hyperair> inimical: you're fit to be a gentoo user :-D
[1:11] <inimical> why
[1:11] <hyperair> ask jmarki ;-)
[1:11] * jmarki don't know what's happening, but GENTOO!!
[1:11] <inimical> i hate needing 9001 hours to install an operating system
[1:12] <hyperair> it suits you.
[1:12] <hyperair> masochism, that is
[1:12] * jmarki slaps hyperair
[1:12] <inimical> you said doing it painlessly
[1:12] <inimical> i agreed
[1:12] <inimical> virtualbox suggests a 20 gb virtual hard disk for windows 7
[1:12] <hyperair> hmm good point
[1:12] <hyperair> there's no pain involved
[1:12] <inimical> but i only have 16 gb left
[1:13] <inimical> time to backup some excess anime
[1:13] * hyperair dodges jmarki's slap and trips him :-D
[1:13] <elfgoh> inimical: which part of suggest did you not understand :)
[1:13] <jmarki> kaoz.. that 's like kungfu panda
[1:14] <hyperair> elfgoh: you never know how much space windows 7 needs.
[1:14] <inimical> elfgoh: 16 gb is hardly enough anyway
[1:14] <hyperair> elfgoh: there's always room for getting more bloated.
[1:14] * jmarki flips over hyperair's feet and heel bash hyperair
[1:14] * inimical knocks both hyperair's and jmarki's heads together and walks off with the champeen cup
[1:14] * hyperair catches jmarki by the heels and ties him up to the ceiling
[1:15] * hyperair knocks inimical using a one-button mouse (whirling mouse attack!)
[1:15] <hyperair> reference to applegeeks for anyone who read(s) it
[1:15] * inimical faints. it's super effective!
[1:15] <schiv> gentoo: watching text scroll by for hours is fun!
[1:16] <elfgoh> jmarki: where's your gento brethen to back you up?
[1:16] * jmarki spits at hyperair. starts to wriggle out of bounds
[1:16] * hyperair stands out of range of jmarki's spit
[1:16] * jmarki spits harder
[1:16] * hyperair is still out of range
[1:16] <inimical> i read the article on gentoo on wikipedia
[1:16] * elfgoh sees jmarki spitting out his dentures
[1:17] <hyperair> jmarki: by the way, i tied you up by the heels. =D
[1:17] <jmarki> omg... that's funny
[1:17] <inimical> sounds like it's for control freaks, masochists and people who want to squeeze out every single last bit of performance by only putting in what they barely need
[1:17] <elfgoh> inimical: that's not so hard to believe after knowing jmarki
[1:17] <jmarki> inimical: nononono... it's for people who wants to learn
[1:17] <hyperair> inimical: i'm a control freak. but gentoo isn't worth it.
[1:18] * elfgoh hi5s hyperair
[1:18] <hyperair> jmarki: i've learnt much from other distros. every other distro except gentoo.
[1:18] <lingxue> should i paste it in windows paint or in virtual machine?
[1:18] * hyperair hi5s elfgoh back
[1:18] <inimical> lingxue: windows paint and save to a file
[1:18] <elfgoh> lingxue: windows paint
[1:18] <jmarki> hyperair: you are not patient enough. =p
[1:18] <elfgoh> lingxue: yup save it as jpg
[1:18] <elfgoh> then upload
[1:18] <hyperair> jmarki: more like i like treating my computer well.
[1:18] <hyperair> jmarki: burning CPU cycles for the sake of compilation is not good.
[1:19] <inimical> hyperair: on the topic of treating computers well, how high can gpu temps go
[1:19] <hyperair> inimical: i'm not sure, really
[1:19] <inimical> without the core melting
[1:19] <lingxue> only press print screen button or press other buttons with it at the same time?
[1:19] <inimical> lingxue: only print screen
[1:19] <hyperair> inimical: but my friend's notebook gpu had melted his notebook screen.
[1:19] <lingxue> then the paste button is grey
[1:19] <hyperair> inimical: and the core wasn't melted. only some wires nearby charred
[1:20] <elfgoh> lingxue: can you double check that the cursor is not in the vm when doing the print screen?
[1:20] <hyperair> i'd give it somewhere aruond the same as a CPU safe temperature -- somewhere around 80-85 degrees
[1:20] <inimical> hyperair: how hot would that have been
[1:20] <inimical> hyperair: actually cpu safe temps is 100+
[1:21] <hyperair> inimical: well boiling water can melt cheap plastic bottles, but not more expensive ones. i reckon that laptop chassis plastic is much more durable than water bottle plastic, so it has to be higher than boiling point
[1:21] <inimical> hyperair: core series onwards lower their frequencies when they hit 99 though
[1:21] <hyperair> inimical: my cpu hangs when it hits 80.
[1:21] <hyperair> 85 actually
[1:21] <hyperair> eh no
[1:21] <hyperair> not hang
[1:21] <inimical> hyperair: mine runs at 72 on idle and hits 99 on load
[1:21] <hyperair> it just powers off
[1:21] <lingxue> if i leave the error on the screen, i think the cursor cannot be in windows
[1:21] <hyperair> ...WHAT?!
[1:22] <hyperair> inimical: 72 is HIGH. EXTREMELY HIGH
[1:22] <schiv> i timed a gcc bench and -march=$foo $somemorestuff was 9 secs slower than -march=native or -march=i686 tested on a core duo and a core 2 duo
[1:22] <inimical> hyperair: my gpu runs at 80ish idle and highest i got it to was 105 today on a stress test
[1:22] <inimical> hyperair: my laptop
[1:22] <hyperair> that's not good.
[1:22] <hyperair> that's very bad
[1:22] <inimical> hyperair: my laptop's cooling is fubared, never buy BenQ
[1:22] <elfgoh> lingxue: ok let's try another way then. This might work too
[1:23] <hyperair> the general rule is not "don't buy benq" but "don't buy notebooks from manufacturers that don't specialize in computers"
[1:23] <hyperair> e.g. benq comes up with loads of things, including shavers.
[1:23] <elfgoh> lingxue: no wait...
[1:23] <inimical> hyperair: benq makes great projectors
[1:23] <hyperair> those aren'
[1:23] <hyperair> t computers
[1:23] <inimical> apparently
[1:23] <elfgoh> lingxue: when the error shows, just click right-control key to make the cursor go back to windows?
[1:23] <elfgoh> then press print screen?
[1:24] <inimical> hyperair: i was going to get a toshiba. the guy said out of stock and offered me this comparable spec lappy for nearly 200 bucks less
[1:24] <hyperair> inimical: they can be manufacturing great monitors and televisions, but as long as they don't specialize in computers, stay away from them when buying notebooks.
[1:24] <hyperair> inimical: go lenovo.
[1:24] <hyperair> ideapads rock
[1:24] <hyperair> elfgoh: right?
[1:24] * elfgoh hi5s hyperair
[1:24] <inimical> hyperair: later i learned toshiba was shit too as my brother's toshiba takes forever to do it's POST
[1:25] <inimical> i'm going to get a t61 soon so this is irrelavant
[1:25] <hyperair> inimical: toshiba is another jack-of-all-trades brand
[1:25] <hyperair> iirc fujitsu was supposedly the mercedes of notebook brands
[1:25] <inimical> hyperair: you wouldn't believe. none, and i mean none, of the Fn- keys work without software support
[1:25] <hyperair> lolfail
[1:25] <hyperair> complete and utter failure
[1:26] <inimical> hyperair: and the power on self test takes half a minute(exaggeration) before it reaches the bootloader
[1:26] <lingxue> can we use msn or qq? easier?
[1:26] <inimical> lingxue: use /query elfgoh to talk to someone directly
[1:27] <elfgoh> inimical: btw what's the difference between /query and /msg?
[1:27] <hyperair> inimical: ...half a minute brings me halfway into the login process. POST included.
[1:27] <inimical> oops
[1:27] <hyperair> elfgoh: /query gives a new window. /msg doesn't.
[1:27] <inimical> elfgoh: what hyperair said
[1:27] <hyperair> elfgoh: rather, /msg sends a message, /query just opens the window.
[1:27] <hyperair> some clients make /msg open a new window
[1:27] <hyperair> some don't
[1:27] <elfgoh> i see thanks
[1:27] <hyperair> /msg was meant as a one-time thing
[1:28] <hyperair> when you send a message to a channel, you're /msg-ing the channel after all
[1:28] <hyperair> i think.
[1:28] <elfgoh> lingxue: it is ok to talk here. More people can help you here
[1:29] <lingxue> i don't mind
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[1:29] <elfgoh> lingxue: so have you managed to capture the screenshot? Which step are you stuck at?
[1:30] <inimical> hyperair: btw the fn-keys and post problems belong to toshiba
[1:30] <hyperair> inimical: i know.
[1:30] <inimical> hyperair: however my cpu has its virtualization extensions permanently disabled as there's no option in bios to turn it on
[1:32] <hyperair> inimical: that's pretty sad. my cpu doesn't even come with virtualization extensions. heh
[1:32] <hyperair> funniest part is that most core2duos had
[1:32] <hyperair> all except this particular model that i got
[1:32] <inimical> yours was before merom?
[1:32] <hyperair> merom?
[1:32] <hyperair> what's merom?
[1:33] <hyperair> T5750. what does that tell you? =\
[1:33] <inimical> a core2duo codename
[1:33] <hyperair> yeah
[1:33] <hyperair> well it was bought last year
[1:33] <hyperair> last year.. somewhere around august.
[1:34] <inimical> Intel VT: Supported by T5500 (those with stepping L2 only), T5600 and all T7xxx
[1:34] <inimical> mine's a t5500 =/
[1:36] <hyperair> with or without stepping L2?
[1:37] <inimical> with
[1:37] <inimical> not that it makes a difference with this bios
[1:38] <hyperair> notebook bioses are generally very locked down aren't they
[1:39] <inimical> not asus, clevo, or zepto ones
[1:39] <inimical> but then again those are performance notebooks
[1:40] <inimical> lingxue: how's the troubleshooting going?
[1:43] <lingxue> http://i33.tinypic.com/2mx53bs.jpg
[1:44] <hyperair> windows win.
[1:44] <elfgoh> lingxue: can you expand on "Details" and show the previous window before this screenshot?
[1:44] <hyperair> obviously something is grabbing the thumbdrive.
[1:45] <hyperair> iirc, thumbdrives need to be unmounted in the host before they can be connected as a usb device to the guest.
[1:45] <inimical> i.e. eject it in my computer?
[1:45] <hyperair> and windows has loads of things which grab the thumbdrive for no real reason
[1:45] <hyperair> well it usually tries to automatically eject, if i'm not mistaken
[1:45] <hyperair> i don't feel like opening virtualbox
[1:46] <elfgoh> heh let's be patient and wait for lingxue 's screenshot
[1:46] <elfgoh> though I am inclined to agree with hyperair
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[1:47] <inimical> if the thumbdrive is grabbed, using unlocker to free it may work
[1:48] <hyperair> stupid windows and let's grab resources attitude
[1:48] <schiv> on linux it's automatically unmounted in host..has worked 100%
[1:48] <hyperair> it can fail.
[1:48] <lingxue> http://i36.tinypic.com/15i6opf.jpg
[1:48] <hyperair> just open a shell and cd into the mount point
[1:49] <schiv> well yeah provided nothing is using it
[1:49] <hyperair> virtualbox error messages are always cryptic
[1:49] * hyperair sighs
[1:49] <schiv> that's when ps aux comes in
[1:50] <elfgoh> hyperair: fyi lingxue is a beginner. So you gotta be more detailed
[1:50] <elfgoh> But let's try and get her to eject her thumbdrive first?
[1:50] <hyperair> elfgoh: i wasn't particularly trying to help her. i was just ranting.
[1:50] <hyperair> schiv: more like lsof
[1:51] <elfgoh> lingxue: can you eject your thumbdrive from windows, then put it back in?
[1:51] <hyperair> schiv: and ls -l /proc/*/cwd | grep somedir
[1:51] <elfgoh> lingxue: after that try to enable the usb drive in virtualbox?
[1:51] <schiv> hyperair: yes that one as well. ps aux | grep $mountpoint has helped me some
[1:51] <hyperair> schiv: since when does ps aux show you mountpoints?
[1:52] <schiv> hyperair: when a process is reading a file from $mountpoint
[1:52] <schiv> or writing
[1:52] <hyperair> schiv: aren't you confusing ps aux with lsof?
[1:52] <schiv> hyperair: nope
[1:52] <hyperair> schiv: the only path ps aux shows you is the path to the program.
[1:52] <hyperair> schiv: not what it's accessing.
[1:52] <schiv> hyperair: zombified mplayer
[1:53] <hyperair> what?
[1:53] <schiv> hyperair: mplayer $loadsofoptions /media/somethumbdrive/file.avi
[1:53] <hyperair> aaah
[1:53] <hyperair> that's different!
[1:53] <hyperair> that's the arguments to the program!
[1:54] <hyperair> not everything has all its paths passed in as arguments you know
[1:54] <hyperair> lsof works better imo
[1:54] <schiv> hyperair: correct..
[1:54] <schiv> hyperair: hence, "helped me sometimes"
[1:54] <hyperair> then why suggest ps aux? sounds like a roundabout way of doing things
[1:55] <schiv> hyperair: because it came to my mind before lsof :)
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[1:56] * hyperair headdesks
[1:56] <freeside> itym facepalm
[1:56] * schiv runs away
[1:56] <lingxue> thanks :) it works
[1:57] <elfgoh> lingxue: great!
[1:57] <inimical> yay another problem solved
[1:57] <hyperair> whee.
[1:57] <hyperair> all hail windows xp and its screwed locks
[1:57] <inimical> so i assume the root cause was xp locking the drive
[1:57] <freeside> http://www.ascd.org/publications/books/108008/chapters/Describing_the_Habits_of_Mind.aspx
[1:58] <inimical> hyperair: unlocker is the answer...temporarily
[1:58] <hyperair> a hack solution as a workaround for a hack of an operating system. whee.
[2:01] <elfgoh> lingxue: btw, we talk about many different things here... such as anime, games, funny videos and pics too :D
[2:01] * hyperair hears anime
[2:02] * hyperair can't wait for the new season of anime to begin
[2:02] <schiv> that is wrong! there must be a #linuxnus-offtopic
[2:02] * hyperair smacks schiv
[2:02] * jmarki smacks schiv
[2:02] <lingxue> :)
[2:02] <jmarki> =p
[2:02] * elfgoh tapes schiv 's mouth
[2:02] <hyperair> yay =)
[2:02] * schiv can't speak
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[2:02] <elfgoh> schiv: our channel isn't big enough for #linuxnus-ot yet
[2:03] <hyperair> agreed
[2:03] <elfgoh> Besides it is so boring if we talk about just techie stuff ALL the time
[2:03] <hyperair> also, i don't have enough slots for yet another channel baering the same community
[2:03] <schiv> elfgoh: yes..i guess same applies for pasting of anything < 4 lines
[2:03] <jmarki> nonono.... linuxnus is a geek channel. geeks and anime is synchronous
[2:03] <hyperair> jmarki: hear hear.
[2:03] <inimical> jmarki: hell yeah!
[2:03] <hyperair> otakus unite!
[2:04] <elfgoh> Well I absolutely disagree!!
[2:04] * jmarki smacks elfgoh
[2:04] <jmarki> =D
[2:04] <elfgoh> I am supporting diversity, not geeks == anime
[2:04] * schiv humbly supports elfgoh on that statement
[2:04] <inimical> nonono...synchronous is not equals to
[2:04] <jmarki> okok geeks == hon too
[2:05] <inimical> jmarki: leave me out of that
[2:05] <hyperair> same here
[2:05] <elfgoh> And I can't believe my 13 year old cousin is wasting her time on anime
[2:05] <jmarki> oh... okay...
[2:05] <elfgoh> trying to get her out of that
[2:05] * hyperair tapes elfgoh to the floor
[2:05] <inimical> elfgoh: consider it breeding new geeks
[2:05] * hyperair also gags elfgoh
[2:05] <jmarki> no.... that's devastating to the young mental physique!
[2:05] <elfgoh> She should spend more time on other more useful stuff
[2:05] <inimical> when video codecs get complicated enough she'll start researching them
[2:05] <hyperair> anime is useful
[2:05] <inimical> then slowly get into coding
[2:05] <inimical> then foss
[2:05] * jmarki blindfolds elfgoh
[2:05] <inimical> yay
[2:06] <hyperair> it's an enriching and educatio-who the hell am i kidding.. ._.
[2:06] <elfgoh> she should learn programming or some web design
[2:06] <inimical> hyperair: yourself
[2:06] <elfgoh> Ok so what are the benefits of watching anime?
[2:06] <hyperair> it relaxes the mind
[2:06] <elfgoh> hell.... reading the manga is faster
[2:06] <jmarki> eh... anime fans learn about codecs and such very soon
[2:06] <elfgoh> waste less time
[2:06] <inimical> but i did get interested in coding from looking at codecs and how they work
[2:07] <hyperair> you learn how to shout your attack names loudly and conspicuously before doing anything
[2:07] <jmarki> geeks like manga too!
[2:07] <inimical> then i got interested in areas like why not they combine all their features
[2:07] <elfgoh> inimical: show me the stats to prove you are not an anomaly
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[2:07] <inimical> then i found out about the GPL and from then on foss
[2:07] * hyperair found out about FOSS after switching to ubuntu.
[2:07] <hyperair> and i found out about ubuntu on webdesignforums.net
[2:08] <elfgoh> The only reason to watch anime would be something like an Ubunchu anime
[2:08] * jmarki had always like anime =p
[2:08] <hyperair> ...i read the manga. it was a waste of time
[2:08] <inimical> elfgoh: lol what
[2:08] * elfgoh fondly recalls Ubunchu manga
[2:08] <hyperair> ubunchu that is
[2:08] <elfgoh> inimical: UBUNCHU
[2:08] <jmarki> ~ubunchu eek
[2:09] <jmarki> omg... cute sysmin gals... nooooooooooo.......
[2:09] <hyperair> oi. that's a good thing you know
[2:09] <jmarki> too sweet too close to home
[2:10] <hyperair> you hopeless cynic
[2:10] <jmarki> in sailor uniform somemore
[2:10] <jmarki> @.@
[2:11] <ruiwen> imagine them as your colleagues jmarki
[2:11] <inimical> ruiwen: do not feed the hopeless addict
[2:11] <schiv> there..that's what you learn from anime
[2:12] <jmarki> hmm..... that may be more fun... many of my colleagues are old geezers. =p
[2:12] <inimical> jmarki: don't be too happy, you're joining them in a few years
[2:12] <elfgoh> inimical: ++
[2:12] * jmarki already feels like an old geezer
[2:13] <hyperair> girls only look good in sailor uniform in anime.
[2:13] <jmarki> hmm.... okay cute sweet sysmin gals in sailor uniforms may be worth checking out. =D
[2:13] <inimical> hyperair: i disagree. my ex looks great in a sailor uniform at cosplay conventions
[2:13] <hyperair> in the same way some blue haired girls look damn cool in anime
[2:14] <hyperair> inimical: statistically rare. perhaps your ex is just at the end of the distribution curve
[2:15] <schiv> or perhaps he has strange eyes
[2:15] <hyperair> well anyway, don a blue haired wig and you'll look utterly ridiculous. but there are cool blue-haired girls in anime.
[2:15] <hyperair> yeah eyes too
[2:15] <inimical> schiv: i'm normal ... i think?
[2:15] <hyperair> they've got as many colours in eyes as they have hair (dye) colour
[2:15] <schiv> inimical: good to know :)
[2:15] <hyperair> inimical: a weirdo never believes that he's weird.
[2:16] <inimical> hyperair: there's room for self-doubt, i said 'i think'
[2:16] <schiv> hyperair: think that's sort of a by-product of animes being...jap products? where you notice features always get more and more caucasoid.
[2:17] <hyperair> schiv: hmm?
[2:17] <hyperair> schiv: what's your point?
[2:17] <hyperair> (no, i think blue-haired caucasions will look equally if not more ridiculous)
[2:17] <schiv> hyperair: the hair and eye colours..refering to jap culture
[2:18] <hyperair> find me a cool looking blue-haired girl in real life.
[2:18] * inimical secedes from this discussion
[2:18] <schiv> never saw one
[2:18] <hyperair> same here =.=
[2:18] <schiv> or wait i might have
[2:18] <hyperair> ?
[2:18] <schiv> mad hair-raising day
[2:18] <hyperair> wut
[2:18] <schiv> some charity thing
[2:19] <schiv> happened long ago..
[2:19] <hyperair> blue-haired? and looking cool with blue hair?
[2:19] <hyperair> not like some utterly ridiculous punk with bad fashion taste?
[2:20] <schiv> i don't know if my eyes had problems..so i cannot claim 100% =p
[2:20] <hyperair> meh
[2:21] * hyperair totally wants to meet a real life kaname chidori
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[2:22] <hyperair> cosplay dosen't count
[2:23] <schiv> hold an audition
[2:23] <hyperair> ...that'll end up as a cosplay competition
[2:24] <hyperair> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/failblog/~3/udu-aQBvdAk/ <-- win
[2:24] <schiv> oh yeah =/
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[2:28] <ruiwen> http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~magi/personal/humour/Computer_Audience/Alice%20in%20UNIX%20Land.html
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[2:30] <inimical> winblows hanged. joy
[2:31] <hyperair> that's what you get for using it
[2:31] <jmarki> ruiwen: cool!
[2:32] <schiv> inimical deserves wind blows fron front punch punch
[2:32] <inimical> well, i was testing civilizations iv out
[2:33] <schiv> then you're excused
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[2:40] <ruiwen> inimical: indeed. was just cursing at windows here too. in the time spent waiting for it to just shut down i could actually take a nap
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[11:03] <jarick> http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=5054
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[13:36] <concernedcitizen> sup
[13:41] * ziroday waves
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[13:48] <concernedcitizen> sigh
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[14:22] <jarick> No one enjoying their public holiday?
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[14:40] <hyperair> i enjoyed mine mostly through sleeping
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[14:53] <jarick> hyperair: And you are not doing this now.
[14:53] <jarick> Why is this the case?
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[15:01] <hyperair> jarick: there's only so much you can sleep before you end up even more tired than before
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[15:09] <jarick> hyperair: I see.
[15:09] <jarick> Kopi?
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[15:26] <hyperair> jarick: i only drink that out of necessity to avoid caffeine tolerance/addiction
[15:27] <jarick> Ah.
[15:27] <jarick> hyperair: I was suggesting the social varient that might involve the beverage.
[15:28] <hyperair> ?
[15:28] <jarick> hyperair: "Let's go out for a social drink"?
[15:28] <jarick> Except with non-alcoholic beverages.
[15:28] <hyperair> ah
[15:29] <hyperair> wait, was that an invitation?
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[15:30] <jarick> hyperair: It was.
[15:30] * jarick is a bit weary of hacking at this board.
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[15:32] <hyperair> oh.
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[15:33] <hyperair> where are you?
[15:33] * hyperair is in NTU and reluctant to head anywhere too far out
[15:33] <jarick> I see.
[15:33] <Isil`Zha> there was a plan to meet downtown today, right?
[15:34] <jarick> hyperair: I'm in yishun.
[15:34] <jarick> Isil`Zha: Just did a B5 marathon over the weekend.
[15:35] <Isil`Zha> jarick: congrats. :)
[15:35] <Isil`Zha> which seasons?
[15:35] <jarick> Isil`Zha: 1-3
[15:35] <Isil`Zha> nice
[15:36] <jarick> The trick is to run the subtitles and everything at 1.8x speed.
[15:36] <jarick> Then gradually accelerate to 2.2x.
[15:36] <jarick> And speed non-dialog portions up to 3x
[15:36] <jarick> It's the only way I'll watch a movie.
[15:37] <jarick> Or a dvd collection.
[15:37] <Isil`Zha> hmmm i din't think i could do that. it kills the atmosphere
[15:37] <Isil`Zha> *don't
[15:37] <jarick> I see.
[15:37] <jarick> But most of the entertainment comes from the dialog
[15:38] <hyperair> B6?
[15:38] <hyperair> i mean B5?
[15:38] <hyperair> what's that?
[15:38] <jarick> "Did I mention that my nose is on fire and that I have fifteen wild badgers living in my trousers?"
[15:38] <Isil`Zha> ^^
[15:39] <Isil`Zha> B5 is the best SF show i know ;)
[15:39] <Isil`Zha> you should give it a try hyperair
[15:40] <jarick> I dunno, the later seasons of DS9 were also pretty interesting.
[15:40] <jarick> </troll>
[15:40] <jarick> But in all seriousness, it's still interesting.
[15:40] <Isil`Zha> ^^
[15:40] <Isil`Zha> i didn't say it's the only show you can watch out there. ;)
[15:45] <hyperair> Isil`Zha: but what is it exactly?
[15:45] <hyperair> and what's SF?
[15:45] * hyperair only knows of SF as sourceforge =.=
[15:45] <Isil`Zha> :) science fiction
[15:46] <jarick> hyperair: Babylon 5.
[15:46] <jarick> Lovely series.
[15:51] <hyperair> oh
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[17:01] <jarick> triplez_cell: You do?
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[18:02] <ini_mobile> any activities on for recess week?
[18:10] <ruiwen> what activities would you like ini_mobile?
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[18:14] <elfgoh> triplez_cell: ruiwen I feel quite ill... food poisoning and flu....
[18:14] <elfgoh> Think i need to rest at home
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[18:15] <triplez_cell> hugs elfgoh
[18:15] <ruiwen> elfgoh: shucks.. rest well
[18:15] <jamestyj> elfgoh: sorry to hear that, hope you get well soon
[18:17] * elfgoh feels the love
[18:18] <elfgoh> It's the erratic weather i guess. I got caught in the rain too
[18:18] <elfgoh> Everybody take care of themselves!
[18:22] <jarick> elfgoh: I'm going to Pl. Tekong next week!
[18:22] <jarick> :(
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[19:49] <melynx> hi all
[19:51] * elfgoh waves
[19:54] <melynx> heee
[19:54] <melynx> i just got my htc magic
[19:54] <melynx> playing with it now ^.^
[19:54] * elfgoh yays
[19:55] <melynx> yup yup
[19:55] <melynx> emerging android-sdk 1.6
[19:55] <elfgoh> melynx: you should consider putting a hero ROM on it
[19:55] <melynx> myhero?
[19:55] <elfgoh> melynx: hero as in htc hero
[19:56] <melynx> the myhero rom?
[19:56] <melynx> i heard that there are still some stuff left to be ironed out
[19:56] <melynx> (",)
[19:57] <elfgoh> melynx: hmm I am not sure. Check with ruiwen. He has a magic with a hero rom
[19:57] <melynx> i now getting the sdk first... than backup my rom....
[19:57] <melynx> than start hacking it... lol
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[20:07] * hyperair wonders who melynx is
[20:07] <melynx> someone....
[20:07] <melynx> lol
[20:07] * elfgoh whispers to hyperair gentoo
[20:07] <hyperair> OH
[20:08] <hyperair> what a masochist. =D
[20:10] * elfgoh calls for Ubuntu bashers to throw their wrath upon hyperair
[20:10] <melynx> =.=""""
[20:11] * hyperair bashes elfgoh
[20:13] <jarick> The program 'bash' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install bash
[20:14] <elfgoh> Am going to sleep now.... unwell......
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[20:15] <hyperair> lolwut?
[20:21] <melynx> zzzzz
[20:21] <hyperair> /me yawns
[20:21] <melynx> seems like they kept the cygic mobile maps on the sd card and i formatted it...
[20:27] <melynx> you know they shld say the micro sd card contain stuff.....
[20:27] <melynx> grrr
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[21:39] <melynx> ehh
[21:39] <melynx> any1 here recently just bought magic?
[21:39] <melynx> htc magic?
[21:43] * jarick would get one if it came in a camera-free configuration.
[21:43] <dwu> jarick: They're removable safely, I believe.
[21:43] <dwu> (I've been told)
[21:43] <melynx> lol
[21:44] <melynx> they actually put the sygic map software on the 2gb storage card
[21:44] <melynx> quite cool eh
[21:44] <melynx> i didn't know abt it
[21:44] <melynx> formatted it
[21:44] <melynx> and POOF
[21:44] <melynx> yay
[21:48] <jarick> dwu: But the Army doesn't permit devices with removed cameras.
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[21:48] <dwu> It does, if it looks like it never had one.
[21:49] <jarick> dwu: Core value 8?
[21:49] <dwu> *sigh* go play in the road or something?
[21:51] <jarick> dwu?
[21:51] <jarick> Why the rude dismissal?
[21:51] <dwu> Packing, not available to get into random facetiousness.
[21:53] <jarick> OK.
[21:53] <jarick> DEploying?
[21:55] <ini_> dwu: have fun on your trip
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[21:59] <dwu> inimical: what trip.
[21:59] <dwu> jarick: no.
[22:00] <jamestyj> pictures from the opensuse conference last week, if anyone is interested http://gallery.opensuse.org/Conference%2009/index.html
[22:08] <inimical> dwu: you were packing, so i assumed you were going on a trip
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[23:07] <triplez> /msg dwu yo
[23:07] <triplez> oops
[23:08] <hyperair> you should do that with some important password sometime =p
[23:13] <triplez> hehhe
[23:18] <hyperair> =)
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[23:46] <ruiwen> hey kelvinq
[23:46] <kelvinq> hey ruiwen.
[23:46] <kelvinq> you say that i am not sharing enough on #linuxnus right?
[23:46] <kelvinq> alright, now i'll share!
[23:47] <ruiwen> haha when did i say that?
[23:47] <ruiwen> good to catch up with you in person today after so long though
[23:48] <schiv> where do i get those air pressure cans besides challenger? (which is $18 and small)
[23:50] <ruiwen> schiv: air pressure cans? compressed air?
[23:51] <schiv> ruiwen: err yeah..compressed-air cans
[23:51] <ruiwen> schiv: ah okie.. but um.. afraid i don't know.. sim lim maybe?
[23:52] <kelvinq> ruiwen: ok, think now we will work together more often. let's get the hackerspace up and running. i'll share with my company folks tomorrow.
[23:52] <schiv> ruiwen: nobody there knows what i'm talking about :(
[23:52] <kelvinq> ruiwen: definitely can get something up and running very quickly.
[23:52] <kelvinq> schiv: you should be able to find plenty of that in sls.
[23:53] <ruiwen> kelvinq: yup yup, looking forward =)
[23:53] <schiv> kelvinq: what do they call it? because i've tried explaining this to the retailers..all of them say they use battery-powered vacuums and have never heard of these cans.
[23:56] <kelvinq> schiv: really? maybe more in audiophile shops then.
[23:56] <kelvinq> schiv: the adelphi may have them too. call before going down.
[23:57] <schiv> kelvinq: ahh..never thought they'd carry these. thanks
[23:57] <kelvinq> actually, i think more audiophile hack into hardware than computer geeks now. vaccum tubes are forever. ;)
[23:59] <dwu> Compressed air is 18 at challenger?
[23:59] <dwu> I recall less, but oh well. Also, online.
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