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[0:01] <hyperair> lol windows has a launch party now?
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[0:26] <elfgoh> Someone should do an equivalent for a distro launch party
[0:28] <ruiwen> an ad?
[0:28] <ruiwen> or a launch party?
[0:28] <ruiwen> karmic releasing soon?
[0:30] <elfgoh> ruiwen: i meant an ad like that on how to do a *nix launch party
[0:30] <ruiwen> ah okie
[0:31] <ruiwen> is there a "proper" way to do a launch party though?
[0:31] <ruiwen> thought the concept was slightly strange.. specifying each and every thing to be done
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[0:37] <icedwater> Hm. Isn't it just a celebration of the launch? Probably including free CDs and install advice, etc?
[0:39] <icedwater> Also, what would I do if my DVD can't be read? Any software that can attempt to rescue portions of it?
[0:40] <icedwater> It's a plain old data DVD.
[0:40] <hyperair> freeside: what are you looking for?
[0:43] <jmarki> omg... that launch party video is legit!
[0:43] <jmarki> http://uk.houseparty.com/windows7uk
[0:44] <kelvinq> wait, i see my name somewhere here...
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[0:47] <icedwater> kelvinq kelvinq kelvinq <---- here.
[0:47] <icedwater> We were talking about the n810 earlier. :)
[0:47] <kelvinq> oh. ok.
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[1:32] <icedwater> g
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[2:20] <propool> crap my mac won't boot
[2:22] <icedwater> Oh no.
[2:22] <icedwater> Anything we can do? :P
[2:24] <propool> lol
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[2:24] <propool> idk
[2:24] <propool> I tried installing it on my portable hard disk
[2:24] <propool> now a folder with a question mark appears when i switch on my mac
[2:25] <ruiwen> it can't find the OS?
[2:26] <propool> I think so...
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[2:29] <icedwater> Hm.
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[2:31] <icedwater> Well, I'm off to bed.
[2:31] <icedwater> In 8 minutes or so.
[2:31] <icedwater> Episode 4 of dollhouse :)
[2:37] <ruiwen> night all
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[2:55] <icedwater> How do I add locales to the Magic?
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[4:08] <inimical> elfgoh: up so late?
[4:08] <elfgoh> inimical: s/late/early/
[4:09] <inimical> early*
[4:10] <elfgoh> hyperair: Mario told me about the built scripts for Lubuntu. I see potential for using it to create a distro for NUS and NTU
[4:11] <elfgoh> s/built/build/
[4:11] <inimical> a customized distro specially for university students?
[4:12] <elfgoh> inimical: yea or rather those in tertiary institutions
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[5:21] <emzekrufus> Morning...
[5:21] <elfgoh> emzekrufus: Good morning to you
[5:21] <emzekrufus> elfgoh: either u
[5:21] <emzekrufus> *u're up early or u havent slept. haha!
[5:22] <elfgoh> emzekrufus: Up at 4am
[5:23] <emzekrufus> elfgoh: whoa, that's early... Getting ready for work or something ?
[5:24] <elfgoh> emzekrufus: bored and not sleepy... so up coding now
[5:25] <emzekrufus> elfgoh: lol...cool. And I've been up the whole night trying to boot my mac. sigh...
[5:25] <elfgoh> emzekrufus: btw have we met?
[5:27] <emzekrufus> elfgoh: That's a very good question. I only ever went to 2 linuxNUS event. The tea session and the installfest.
[5:29] <elfgoh> emzekrufus: well i hope I got your name right. So what ails your mac?
[5:29] <jamesty1> wow you guys are up early
[5:29] <jamesty1> (or really late)
[5:30] <emzekrufus> jamesty1: Well morning to you too... :p
[5:32] <elfgoh> emzekrufus: Selemat Hari Raya Adilfiltri
[5:34] <emzekrufus> elfgoh: Thanks... though I mostly spent my 'holiday' aimlessly reading on stuffs i shouldn't be reading on.
[5:39] <jamesty1> emzekrufus: it's 11:40pm here ;)
[5:39] * jamesty1 is eating choc and reviewing a patch
[5:41] <elfgoh> Ok i give up
[5:41] <elfgoh> my dev server is super laggy now
[5:41] <elfgoh> time for breakfast
[5:42] <emzekrufus> lol... people talking in lingo i don't understand. But breakfast sounds good.
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[6:32] <inimical> ah, time for breakfast
[6:32] <inimical> shuttle buses seem up
[8:02] <maxus> good morning to all of you Ø=
[8:02] <maxus> :)
[8:04] <concernedcitizen> morning :)
[8:05] <maxus> i have an interesting thing to do
[8:06] <maxus> i need to "save" the windows installation from my netbook so i can format the harddrive and install linux
[8:06] <maxus> this damn thing didn't come with an install cd
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[9:05] <icedwater> maxus: How large is your Windows install?
[9:06] <maxus> icedwater: there is supposed to be an i386 folder there that will either fit a dvd or cd
[9:07] <icedwater> I see.
[9:07] <maxus> apparently, i need to turn it into a bootable disk image and burn it, then i will be good to go
[9:07] <icedwater> Yup ... my brain is offering something along the lines of mkisofs blah blah...
[9:08] <maxus> ??
[9:10] <icedwater> Wait, thinking of the specific command.
[9:10] <icedwater> Though I'm sure there should be a Linux program with a GUI for this..
[9:10] <icedwater> Have you tried one of the rescue CDs?
[9:11] <icedwater> No, wait.
[9:15] <maxus> rescue CDs?
[9:16] <maxus> this thing came without CDs
[9:16] <maxus> and without an optical drive too, since it's a netbook
[9:19] <dwu> heh.
[9:19] <dwu> rescue CDs are not from the manufacturer.
[9:25] <maxus> still, the thing is without optical drive
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[9:39] <jmarki> maxus: make systemrescuecd into a usb boot disk -> boot from usb -> repartition using gparted -> image using partimage
[9:40] <maxus> jmarki: thanks, how do i check if my netbook boots from usb?
[9:40] <maxus> i know some of them do
[9:40] <jmarki> eh? bios? most do nowadays
[9:40] <jarick> maxus: BIOS should have an option.
[9:41] <maxus> jarick: thanks, i will check
[9:41] <jmarki> maxus: of course the steps outlined has some gotchas, but that's the fun part. =p
[9:42] <maxus> hah
[9:42] * jarick wonders if jmarki also enjoys autoflagellation.
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[9:44] <icedwater> My bad, heh. I should have been a little more specific :D
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[9:51] <jmarki> maxus: aww... the steps do work. i'm doing it so often nowadays
[9:51] <jmarki> sigh.... okok, here's the gotchas
[9:52] <jmarki> 1) use an empty usb thumby. depending on which method you use to create the usb bootdisk, your entire thumby may be wiped out
[9:53] <jmarki> 2) many, if not most, harddisks are not partitioned properly. the partition table is not on cylinder boundaries, which make for interesting re-partitioning headaches
[9:54] <jmarki> 3) gparted is a gui, so you must be able to startx. vesa driver should work in most, but not all, cases
[9:54] <maxus> 2) huh?
[9:55] <maxus> I've never had any issues repartitioning a hdd
[9:55] <jmarki> 4) ntfs support is, and most likely will always be, experimental. so imaging windows on ntfs is, hmm... interesting
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[9:56] <jmarki> 5) partimage will image a partition, and restore the image to a partition of the exact same size.
[9:57] <jmarki> 6) you need somewhere to store your image, and it cannot be the same partition you are trying to image. hence the repartitioning of the harddisk beforehand
[9:58] <jmarki> re (2), the recovery/rescue partitions are normally misaligned. so far, i've seen it on lenovo, dell, toshiba, fujitsu systems
[9:59] <maxus> jmarki: i think that's a bit complicated. all i want is to rescue the install files for windows to a bootable device
[9:59] <icedwater> 2) Partitions don't end on proper cylinders. It shows up on my LG recovery partition, so you can add that to your notebook.
[9:59] <jmarki> sigh... this is the easiest method, you know...
[9:59] <maxus> the just wipe everything, repartition, and install linux and possibly windows
[9:59] <icedwater> maxus: Why not just save your personal data, then do a clean install of Windows?
[10:00] <maxus> icedwater: that would be ideal if they gave me the files for winodws on anything besides the hdd itself
[10:00] <icedwater> This is why I like the way $HOME is set up in Linux. Just grab that, wipe and restore if you want.
[10:00] <icedwater> maxus: Don't quite understand what you mean...
[10:00] <jmarki> maxus: wiping everything includes wiping the restore partition? that's the partition which has your windows rescue image?
[10:00] <maxus> icedwater: when i bought the netbook, i was not given the install files
[10:00] <jmarki> unless you really don't want windows anymore, please don't do that
[10:01] <maxus> jmarki: what restore partition?
[10:01] <maxus> there is only one partition as per now
[10:01] <ruiwen> maxus: you want to burn the restore files out to a DVD?
[10:01] <jmarki> maxus: look at your harddisk partition table
[10:01] <icedwater> jmarki: Restore partition was referring to *my laptop*.
[10:01] <sng> Or you *could* just grab one of the about 500 free partitioning tools for windows, partition, and install Linux.
[10:02] <maxus> ruiwen: exactly
[10:02] <sng> Unless the easy way offends you deeply or something. :)
[10:02] <jmarki> icedwater: nowadays, every system i'm seeing has a restore partition
[10:02] <icedwater> Yeah, my bad, maxus: repartitioning is the easier way :P
[10:02] <jmarki> and most of the time, they are misaligned
[10:02] <ruiwen> maxus: have a look in your netbook's manual? they usually have a utility that allows you to do that, or some instructions at least
[10:02] <maxus> sng: yes, i have no issues or concerns about the partitioning thing, that's the easy part
[10:02] <jmarki> the wonders of vendor cloning harddisks for distribution
[10:03] <ruiwen> maxus: my sis' laptop had those instructions
[10:03] <sng> maxus: The hard part is?
[10:03] <icedwater> It would be what I would automatically do, I just got caught up in the backup questions.
[10:03] <maxus> ruiwen: good idea, i will have a look
[10:03] <icedwater> Once you've repartitioned safely, your stuff is safe. No need for reinstalling. Just get a bootloader set up properly..
[10:03] <maxus> though i don't think this thing came with a manual
[10:03] <ruiwen> maxus: which is it?
[10:04] <maxus> Acer
[10:04] <icedwater> I'm guessing it wouldn't be the Aspire One?
[10:04] <maxus> Aspire One
[10:06] <icedwater> Hmm.. so you chose to buy the Windows version instead, eh, for familiarity?
[10:06] <icedwater> Good choice, actually. And good on you for wanting to try Linux too :)
[10:07] <ruiwen> maxus: i'm reading something about the eRecovery utility.. do you have that?
[10:07] <ruiwen> something having to "Start the eManager with the “e”-key on your notebook or the “e”-icon on your Windows desktop"
[10:07] <maxus> icedwater: got it from the Courts Hari Raja sale
[10:08] <icedwater> Ah, nice, Hari Raya sale. :)
[10:08] <ruiwen> maxus: support.acer-euro.com/.../eRecovery%20Procedure%20before%20Vista%20Upgrade.v1.doc
[10:08] <ruiwen> might this help?
[10:08] <maxus> i asked for a linux version but the blank face made me believe the staff had never heard of linux...
[10:08] <concernedcitizen> man I wished I had the $
[10:08] <maxus> Error
[10:08] <maxus> An Error occured.
[10:08] <maxus> Please, http://support.acer-euro.com/ to redirect to a valid navigation point.
[10:08] <ruiwen> hm oh wait
[10:09] <ruiwen> the link's truncated
[10:09] <maxus> lol
[10:09] <ruiwen> grr google.. can't copy a link out of it properly
[10:09] <maxus> no wonder
[10:09] <maxus> got it
[10:09] <maxus> http://www.experts-exchange.com/Hardware/Laptops_Notebooks/PC_Laptops/Q_24706473.html
[10:09] <maxus> ah, wait
[10:09] <maxus> no that's not what i want
[10:09] <ruiwen> here's my google string "acer burn restore partition to dvd"
[10:09] <maxus> http://support.acer-euro.com/documents/eRecovery%20Procedure%20before%20Vista% 20Upgrade.v1.doc
[10:09] <ruiwen> ah yeah
[10:10] <ruiwen> that looks familiar =P
[10:10] <sng> Hehe. I was in a bar last week where there was a meeting of the "Lennox Users Group". :)
[10:11] <ruiwen> heh. Lennox must be rather popular there
[10:11] <jmarki> maxus: if you can boot into an erecovery ultility, then you definitely have recovery partitions on your harddisk. please don't simply "wipe and repartition".
[10:11] <icedwater> Yup, good point.
[10:12] <maxus> http://support.acer-euro.com/documents/eRecovery%2520Procedure%2520before%2520Vista%25
[10:12] <maxus> bye, thanks for helping
[10:12] <ruiwen> an error page?
[10:12] <jmarki> gtg.... late late...
[10:12] <icedwater> maxus: So what are you planning to do with it now?
[10:13] <ruiwen> maxus: did you manage to download that .doc file
[10:13] <maxus> http://support.acer-euro.com/documents/eRecovery%2520Procedure%2520before%2520Vista%2520Upgrade.v1.doc
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[10:13] <maxus> yup, tnx
[10:14] <ruiwen> cool =) hope it works out for you
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[11:17] <elfgoh> Quick straw poll: Wordpress or Drupal for content management
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[11:17] <elfgoh> or even Joomla?
[11:23] <hyperair> elfgoh: distro for NUS and NTU?
[11:24] <elfgoh> hyperair: yea
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[11:26] <ruiwen> elfgoh: hyperair: planning for an NUS/NTU distro?
[11:26] <hyperair> i didn't know of any plans
[11:26] <hyperair> until elfgoh mentioned it at 4am. wtf were you doing up at 4?
[11:27] <elfgoh> hyperair: I woke up
[11:27] <hyperair> ..
[11:27] <hyperair> damnit i wish i woke up that early
[11:27] <hyperair> i forgot to set my alarm and slept through all my core subjects' lectures today
[11:27] <hyperair> well actually come to think of it if i rushed, i could make this one. but nevermind
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[11:28] <ruiwen> you woke at 4am elfgoh? for?
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[11:33] <icedwater> For not being able to sleep.
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[11:37] <elfgoh> ruiwen: just woke up early can't sleep and wanted to code
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[11:38] <ruiwen> elfgoh: i see
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[12:00] <elfgoh> hyperair: this is the interest for a Tertiary distro: http://lijiumixin.spaces.live.com/?_c11_BlogPart_BlogPart=blogview&_c=BlogPart&partqs=cat%3DOpen%2520Source
[12:01] <elfgoh> s/interest/inspiration
[12:02] * hyperair thinks that open source groups / linux user groups are there for bringing open source geeks togetehr
[12:02] <hyperair> so the whole use linux/don't play linux is a little conceited
[12:04] <elfgoh> hyperair: regardless, I think building a distro off Ubuntu or Lubuntu using those build scripts could get possibly advance Open Source in NTU and NUS
[12:05] <elfgoh> well think on it
[12:05] <hyperair> yeah it could
[12:05] <hyperair> i've thought of it before..
[12:06] <hyperair> it's not that we don't have the expertise. there are many guides to remastering ISOs
[12:06] <hyperair> it's more of... what should we include?
[12:06] <hyperair> what CAN we include that will be useful?
[12:06] <hyperair> and who will use it?
[12:06] <hyperair> and how significant a difference will the end product have from the original?
[12:07] <ruiwen> (am thinking institute-specific repo, perhaps?)
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[12:08] <elfgoh> hyperair: university specific configs will be one
[12:09] <elfgoh> hyperair: *Gasp* evolution already configured for NTU exchange server
[12:09] <elfgoh> or wireless/printing configurations
[12:09] <hyperair> hmmmm
[12:09] <hyperair> those require usernames/passwords
[12:10] <hyperair> perhaps writing an pap that does it would be better
[12:11] <elfgoh> hyperair: and maybe software that are commonly used by Computing students (if there are any)
[12:11] <elfgoh> hyperair: and most importantly.....
[12:12] <elfgoh> hyperair: a configured IRC client that will populate #ntuoss!!!
[12:12] <hyperair> software that are commonly used eh..
[12:12] <hyperair> netbeans by default..
[12:12] <hyperair> sounds like an idea
[12:13] <hyperair> and we can use our ntuoss mirror as a buildd
[12:13] <hyperair> i mean package repository
[12:13] <hyperair> hmm there might be something to this after all, eh
[12:13] <elfgoh> While at it, you could include FF that has useful NTU bookmarks configured perhaps
[12:14] <icedwater> How do you make a custom distro anyway?
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[12:14] <hyperair> it dpeends on the base distro
[12:14] <icedwater> Kernel and supporting apps and drivers, right? :P
[12:15] <elfgoh> LUNCH!
[12:15] <hyperair> welll
[12:15] <hyperair> i suppose
[12:19] <kelvinq> anyone here familiar with complex joins in a large db? (about 8gb in size)
[12:20] <hyperair> i've only done joins in an ms access database before
[12:20] <hyperair> and that was ages ago
[12:20] <hyperair> haha
[12:20] <kelvinq> :)
[12:21] <hyperair> meh. syncing 10G and counting..
[12:22] <hyperair> ubuntu mirrors are scary.
[12:22] <hyperair> three.. no four months out of date, and one sync takes >10G
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[13:44] <elfgoh> Hello newux
[13:44] <elfgoh> :o
[13:44] <newux> hi!
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[14:06] * elfgoh just read Gnome-shell as Gnome-hell :s
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[14:08] * elfgoh waves to vaidyagi
[14:08] <elfgoh> is that you anand?
[14:08] * vaidyagi waves back
[14:08] <vaidyagi> Nope, it's Gaurav of the Vaidya
[14:08] <elfgoh> vaidyagi: oops
[14:09] <vaidyagi> elfgoh: hehe, too many open-source interested Vaidyas around these days. We're going to have to cut down in the future.
[14:09] <elfgoh> vaidyagi: well Harish was complaining that there were too many Harishes in FOSS
[14:10] <vaidyagi> elfgoh: Haha also true
[14:10] * triplez licks elfgoh
[14:10] <triplez> are you feeling better?
[14:10] <elfgoh> triplez: not well enough to be producing my usual quality of code
[14:15] * icedwater pats elfgoh on the head. Rest well.
[14:17] <elfgoh> yea I took 2 min to figure out why I should be doing an if instead of an if-else, a mistake which shouldn't have occured in the 1st place
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[15:07] <ruiwen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jywQLnUnMG0&feature=related Robots dancing to the Wondergirls' Nobody
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[15:23] <icedwate2> g
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[16:11] <icedwater> I wonder what is a reliable way to get any sort of response on this channel.
[16:11] * icedwater ponders.
[16:11] <icedwater> HoN?
[16:12] <icedwater> Didn't work this time.
[16:12] <hyperair> squee.
[16:12] <icedwater> inimical: No lessons today?
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[16:20] <icedwater> JeremiahViztree: hello
[16:20] <JeremiahViztree> Hi
[16:20] <icedwater> Saw a little bit of your poster in one of the SFD photos. :)
[16:20] * icedwater wasn't in Singapore at the time.
[16:21] <jamesty1> moin
[16:26] <icedwater> Morgen!
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[16:29] <JeremiahViztree> Ok nice
[16:29] <JeremiahViztree> icedwater: U where u there
[16:32] <icedwater> ?
[16:32] <icedwater> On another note, how does supper tomorrow evening sound? Maybe not at Al-Ameen again, but in the vicinity and followed by a night of hackage.
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[16:53] <inimical> icedwater: it's recess week
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[16:58] <ruiwen> icedwater: will probably be working late tomorrow i'm afraid
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[17:03] <icedwater> I see. Any news on the coreteam meeting tomorrow, then?
[17:03] <icedwater> Or was last night it?
[17:07] <ruiwen> should be tomorrow, check with dqminh
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[18:04] <ziyong> ruiwen: you got ngiin's email
[18:04] <ziyong> supposed to send him email but forgot his add
[18:07] <elfgoh> ziyong: you lucky i just came back from office
[18:07] <ziyong> :D
[18:07] <ziyong> thanks
[18:07] <ziyong> :D
[18:08] <elfgoh> oops s/office/meeting/
[18:08] <ruiwen> ziyong: what mail?
[18:09] <ziyong> ok lio!
[18:09] <ziyong> liao
[18:09] <ziyong> thanks liao
[18:09] <ziyong> got liao
[18:09] <ziyong> :p
[18:09] <ziyong> thanks!
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[18:31] <kelvinq> Alternative Models of Funding for our Hackspace?
[18:31] <kelvinq> http://www.affectlabs.com/2009/06/15/alternative-funding-models/
[18:33] <ruiwen> kelvinq: thanks for the link, reading now =)
[18:33] <ruiwen> haha the grandma rock band is awesome
[18:33] <kelvinq> whee!
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[23:19] <concernedcitizen> hey guys anyone still have any more beta invite keys?
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[23:24] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: yea I do
[23:25] <concernedcitizen> could I get an invite?
[23:25] <elfgoh> concernedcitizen: pm me an email
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[23:32] <icedwater> Any details on meeting time and place tmr, or will it be decided during codeAndroid?
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