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[0:09] <yq> elfgoh: coolle
[0:09] <inimical> that's funky
[0:10] <inimical> cause i was just studying organelles and thought my mind was playing tricks on me
[0:13] <inimical> oh it's their 11th birthday
[0:13] <concernedcitizen> man I love how inspiration can suddenly come out of nowhere
[0:13] <concernedcitizen> wooo
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[0:23] <icedwater> inimical: Guardian of the room! Who will be in tomorrow?
[0:27] <icedwater> jasonong: Did you msg me about something? :)
[0:27] <icedwater> Missed out on a possible recording session, sadly.
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[0:43] <inimical> icedwater: nice memo
[0:43] <inimical> what time?
[0:45] <icedwater> I was thinking tomorrow morning early.. but any time will do
[0:46] <icedwater> Shipping my computer, printer, scanner and monitor over. No keyboard, though.
[0:46] <icedwater> I have not wiped the HDD so I will probably be zeroing it there :P
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[0:56] <icedwater> Leave me a note here or /memoserv :D
[1:03] <inimical> ah
[1:03] <inimical> morning's fine i think
[1:05] <icedwater> What time in the morning? Because I probably won't be getting transport now, so may have to change plans :P
[1:05] <icedwater> Tuesday possible?
[1:05] * concernedcitizen licks icedwater
[1:06] * icedwater grabs concernedcitizen by the tongue, looking for a freezing ski lift
[1:06] <concernedcitizen> :(
[1:06] <icedwater> Heh.
[1:06] <icedwater> Violentmode off.
[1:06] <icedwater> Anyhow, I'm off to bed.... see you all soon.
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[1:19] <inimical> tuesday morning no :( dreaded test upcoming
[1:19] <inimical> good night
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[1:34] <icedwater> inimical: So what time tomorrow or Tuesday would be good? After your test, maybe?
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[7:59] <concernedcitizen> the curst
[7:59] <concernedcitizen> is back
[7:59] <concernedcitizen> *curse
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[12:33] <icedwater> What curse?
[12:34] <maxus> hi icedwater
[12:34] <icedwater> Hello, maxus :)
[12:34] <maxus> good to see you again
[12:34] <jarick> icedwater: The curse of the simian landmass?
[12:34] * jarick runs
[12:35] <icedwater> Hmm... depends, which landmass might you be referring to? Surrounded by water, or otherwise?
[12:37] * jarick sends icedwater to Mêlée
[12:39] <icedwater> Character not recognised.
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[12:41] <jarick> :(
[12:42] <jarick> icedwater: You mean to tell me that you've not played the Monkey Island series?
[12:42] <icedwater> No, I meant I saw M?l?e on my end. And also, I haven't played the series, yes.
[12:43] <jarick> Ah.
[12:44] <jarick> icedwater: UTF-8. Use it, love it.
[12:44] <freeside> g.i., g.i., i love you long byte!
[12:44] <icedwater> I'm looking to set up German encoding on my keyboard, too, or at least bind some keys to the umlauts.
[12:44] <icedwater> Not too sure how to do that... scim?
[12:44] <hyperair> ibus!
[12:45] <hyperair> well scim used to be the way to go, but ibus seems like a better alternative now
[12:45] <freeside> when all else fails, http://www.copypastecharacter.com/
[12:45] <hyperair> no wait. you're using a german keyboard?
[12:46] <icedwater> No, I want to be able to type German characters easily.
[12:47] <icedwater> Can't seem to find ibus on Debian repos...
[12:48] <hyperair> well then use scim
[12:49] <hyperair> actualy wait
[12:49] <hyperair> you don't need scim/ibus for german characters
[12:49] <icedwater> I would have thought to use that more for Chinese input, anyway... but how how how?
[12:50] <hyperair> umlauts are these: ö ä and so on right?
[12:50] <icedwater> Err... ? ? are question marks. But the umlauts would be the dotty vowels.
[12:50] <hyperair> ._.
[12:50] <icedwater> And that beta-impersonator.
[12:50] <hyperair> go configure your irc client please.
[12:50] <hyperair> your encoding is screwed
[12:50] * icedwater peers in /set
[12:50] <hyperair> and by the way, utf-8 is the way to go
[12:51] <hyperair> what's your locale?
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[12:51] <hyperair> for gtk programs, you can use a combination of <ComposeKey>"<letter> to write an umlaut
[12:51] <icedwater> en_SG.UTF-8
[12:51] <hyperair> meh that's the same as mine
[12:52] <icedwater> Isn't it shitty and unsupported? :P
[12:52] <hyperair> what?
[12:52] <hyperair> UTF-8?
[12:52] <icedwater> No, en_SG.
[12:53] <hyperair> well, it's almost a direct clone of en_GB i think
[12:53] <icedwater> Hmm, OK.
[12:53] <maxus> en_SG adds the occasional "lah" at the end of sentences
[12:53] <icedwater> <ComposeKey> == ?
[12:53] <hyperair> lol
[12:53] <icedwater> maxus: You must be non-Singaporean to say that :P
[12:53] <icedwater> Ah hi Sven :)
[12:53] <hyperair> icedwater: system->preferences->keyboard->keyboard layout->compose key position
[12:53] <maxus> no lah
[12:53] <hyperair> icedwater: set it to something
[12:54] <maxus> see, en_SG in action right there
[12:55] * hyperair facepalm
[12:56] * jarick suspects that the terminal string is sometimes 'loh'
[12:56] <icedwater> Done ü
[12:57] <icedwater> But now irssi charset needs to be fixed.
[12:57] <hyperair> hmm?
[12:57] <hyperair> it looks fine to me
[12:57] <icedwater> I still see only ?
[12:57] <icedwater> ...
[12:57] <hyperair> hah
[12:57] * icedwater slaps hyperair :P
[12:57] <hyperair> it's not irssi then. go fix your terminal
[12:57] <hyperair> your terminal is screwed grandly
[12:57] <hyperair> you coming through what, putty?
[12:57] <icedwater> Hm, wait. Yeah. On this box the locale is borked.
[12:58] <icedwater> Nope, should be openSSH I believe.
[12:58] <hyperair> what's the locale locally?
[12:58] <icedwater> It broke.
[12:58] <icedwater> Wait, locally it's en_SG.UTF-8 as I said.
[12:59] <icedwater> On the remote box I broke it somehow.
[12:59] <hyperair> h
[12:59] <hyperair> ah
[13:00] <icedwater> It says ... locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory ... then apparently the LC_* are all set to en_US.UTF-8, so I'm confused.
[13:00] <hyperair> ._.
[13:00] <icedwater> I keep getting locale warnings/errors whenever I apt-get update, so something needs fixing, I just don't know what.
[13:00] <hyperair> echo $LANG
[13:00] <icedwater> en_US.UTF-8
[13:00] <hyperair> and $LANGUAGE
[13:01] <icedwater> en_US:en
[13:01] <hyperair> change that to en_US.UTF-8
[13:01] <icedwater> Just set it?
[13:01] <hyperair> export it
[13:02] <hyperair> or change both to en_SG.UTF-8 if your system supports it
[13:02] <icedwater> OK, exported.
[13:02] <icedwater> ü still doesn't show..
[13:03] <hyperair> meh
[13:03] <icedwater> Do I need to restart something?
[13:03] * hyperair gives up
[13:03] <hyperair> i have no idea
[13:03] <icedwater> It's Ubuntu, incidentally... Jaunty I think.
[13:03] <icedwater> I'm not too adventurous on this box because it's headless... will need a bit of work to debug it :P
[13:03] <hyperair> try restating everything. screen/ssh
[13:04] <hyperair> and make sure your locale gets proeprly set when you start
[13:04] <hyperair> if you've got root access, run sudo locale-gen
[13:04] <icedwater> Hm. I'll see if that works.
[13:07] <icedwater> I did, it seems to have stopped complaining about locale not being set properly, etc.
[13:08] <icedwater> Brb!
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[13:10] <inimical> icedwater: come over anytime today or after 12 tomorrow
[13:14] <icedwater> Odd, the term_charset is defaulting to UTF-8...
[13:14] <icedwater> But yeah, after restarting screen it works for me now Ü
[13:14] <icedwater> Just ... not too sure how to get the ss.
[13:14] <icedwater> ß worked! :D
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[13:15] <inimical> icedwater: ping
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[13:23] <icedwater> Pong!
[13:25] <inimical> come anytime tmr after 12 :)
[13:30] <icedwater> I saw that, no worries.
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[15:13] <icedwater> Anyone know who invited marice_nus2 here?
[15:14] <icedwater> remind me in 1 minute to find out about marice_nus2 ...
[15:14] <marice_nus2> icedwater: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Mon Sep 28 15:15:02 SGT 2009
[15:14] <marice_nus> icedwater: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Mon Sep 28 15:15:03 SGT 2009
[15:14] <icedwater> Geez.
[15:14] <ruiwen> heh
[15:14] <ruiwen> icedwater: extra instance on the server probably?
[15:15] <marice_nus2> icedwater: You asked me to remind you to find out about marice_nus2 ...
[15:15] <marice_nus> icedwater: You asked me to remind you to find out about marice_nus2 ...
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[15:15] <icedwater> That's what I'm thinking.
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[15:22] * Topic is 'NUS Students' Linux User Group : http://linuxNUS.org | Forums: http://opensource.nus.edu.sg/forums | Wiki: http://opensource.nus.edu.sg | Mailing list: http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/linuxnus | Have you seen #ntuoss #ubuntu-sg #codeandroid ? | SG OSS Groups: http://groups.google.com/group/foss-sg?hl=en | Logs: http://opensource.nus.edu.sg/irc/logs/ | Twitter for linuxNUS: !twitter <msg>'
[15:22] * Set by ruiwen on Mon Sep 21 12:45:41 SGT 2009
[15:23] <icedwater> OK, did a little bit of nudging and some extra bots left.
[15:23] [freenode-connect VERSION]
[15:25] <ruiwen> heh
[15:25] <ruiwen> mirjam?
[15:25] <icedwater> remind me in 5 seconds to tell ruiwen about mirjam
[15:25] <mirjam> icedwater: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Mon Sep 28 15:26:00 SGT 2009
[15:26] <mirjam> icedwater: You asked me to remind you to tell ruiwen about mirjam
[15:26] <icedwater> !seen victoria_nus
[15:26] <megan_> I last saw victoria_nus on Fri Jul 17 20:11:10 2009.
[15:26] <icedwater> It's been a while, though, hasn't it megan_?
[15:27] <ruiwen> so marice got replaced?
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[15:28] <icedwater> Yup.
[15:28] <dqminh> hyperair not online today /
[15:29] <dqminh> icedwater: is ntuoss at gmail the NTU's coreteam email address ?
[15:31] <ruiwen> dqminh: he should be on some time in the day i guess, he usually is
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[15:44] <icedwater> I have never used that.
[15:45] <ruiwen> dqminh: oh but yeah i remember hyperair saying something like that mail goes to their president, and he manually relays the mails to them
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[16:11] <wywen> dqminh: yes you can contact us at ntuoss@gmail.com
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[16:24] <icedwater> wywen: How did you all fare at SFD? There was a parallel event at NTU too, right?
[16:30] <inimical> icedwater: iirc they were extremely attractive to children :D
[16:31] <icedwater> Ooh, how come?
[16:34] <jarick> SFD?
[16:35] <onetom> guys, i heard from this article http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/press/2009/09/moe-adopts-open-standard-inter.php
[16:35] <onetom> that teachers will get a google apps account
[16:35] <icedwater> Interesting.
[16:35] <onetom> 30thousand teachers at 350 schools
[16:35] <ruiwen> onetom: yup yup
[16:35] <onetom> by the end of this year
[16:35] <onetom> what do u know about this project?
[16:35] <onetom> how is it going?
[16:35] <ruiwen> onetom: good to hear they're embracing open standards at least
[16:36] <ruiwen> onetom: no idea of how it's going though, i just read the press release =P
[16:36] <inimical> i wish google docs had a higher document limit though
[16:36] <jarick> ruiwen: Google apps is open?
[16:36] <onetom> but u r at the university guys, u heard nothing from u teachers about it?
[16:36] <inimical> i tried uploading all my first year stuff onto it and it exploded
[16:36] <ruiwen> jarick: standards-wise, at least, no?
[16:36] <icedwater> onetom: A lot of us here aren't from the uni any more...
[16:37] <ruiwen> onetom: i'm not sure if the Uni is directly under MOE
[16:37] <inimical> onetom: i know of a couple of lecturers using google apps, and one who's literally hooked on it
[16:37] <onetom> shusheong also asked this , jarick
[16:37] <inimical> but besides that nothing official
[16:37] <ruiwen> onetom: so i'm not sure if the NUS lecturers will get google apps too.. rightly now they're pretty much locked into Exchange
[16:37] <onetom> google apps has a published api which allows full control over ur data inside their servers
[16:37] <onetom> it's open in this sense
[16:38] <onetom> u r not vendor-locked
[16:38] <onetom> and regarding the standardness, they r using http and xml..
[16:39] <onetom> roughly thats all about standardness
[16:39] <onetom> i guess
[16:39] <onetom> i would be happy to teach google apps
[16:39] <onetom> but i dont have any degrees, not that i dont have teacher degreee :)
[16:39] <ruiwen> onetom: teach google apps?
[16:40] <onetom> well, i can imagine a lot of teachers, like literature or history teachers who are a bit challanged by it
[16:40] <onetom> since they dont really understand the computer ingeneral
[16:41] <wywen> pffft don't underestimate the humanities people ...
[16:41] <inimical> you don't need a degree to give a introductory tutorial on it
[16:41] <inimical> :)
[16:41] <icedwater> wywen: True.
[16:41] <onetom> wywen: it''s not underestimation, it's experience -- a hungarian tho..
[16:41] <jarick> onetom: They are not contractually obligated to release the details of their data storage mechanism.
[16:41] <onetom> and it's not about humanities
[16:42] <jarick> But I will not debate this, for I have a book to read.
[16:42] <wywen> Heh... beware them all the same :D
[16:42] <icedwater> jarick: What book?
[16:42] * icedwater should finish his stack of library books too :P
[16:43] <onetom> jarick: why is it important how they store the data?
[16:43] <wywen> onetom: you know, vendor lock, things like that. Of course it's important.
[16:43] <onetom> jarick: until they promise a certain level of data access protection and we believe it for them just in case of an ISP or other SaaS provider
[16:44] <onetom> wywen: what is vendor lock in not telling about HOW they store the data when they are telling u HOW to access it and what is trhe format?
[16:45] <icedwater> Hey, why the caps? :P
[16:45] <wywen> :p
[16:45] <onetom> u access it thru http and not ATAPI or SATA...
[16:45] <ruiwen> indeed.. i would be much more concerned about how to get my data out rather than how they store it in the first place
[16:46] <onetom> icedwater: to emphasis the key words in my sentence
[16:46] <ruiwen> they could be using monkeys with written index cards for all i care =P
[16:46] <wywen> It's a black box. TRUE
[16:46] <onetom> but the protocol is not black..
[16:47] <onetom> just in case of an SD card
[16:47] <wywen> Well black box means you know how to interact with it, but you don't know what is going on inside ;)
[16:47] <ruiwen> wywen: that is true, yeah
[16:47] <onetom> u dont have to know it's storing it on flash and not on spinning disk
[16:47] <icedwater> onetom: Which is why SD isn't an open standard, is it?
[16:47] <onetom> u still talk to it thru ATA
[16:47] <jarick> icedwater: Book 2 of Stephenson's Baroque Cycle.
[16:47] <wywen> Yep. You don't have to know that the FBI/CIA whatever has access to your data or whatever :)
[16:47] <jarick> onetom: No, you have a SPI mode.
[16:48] <icedwater> wywen: They always do, anyway.
[16:48] <jarick> Or there's a propriatary mode, that requires you to pay for the standard.
[16:48] <icedwater> I gave them yours yesterday.
[16:48] <onetom> sorry, CF, not SD
[16:48] <jarick> I kant spell.
[16:48] <wywen> icedwater: They are eeeeebil! :D
[16:48] <icedwater> onetom: Same question (because I don't know...) - is CF an open standard?
[16:49] <jarick> onetom: Ah, but you don't know what they do with your data: The process is not examinable.
[16:49] <jarick> Or replicatable.
[16:49] <onetom> i dont see any problem with the FBI or the CIA looking into the singaporean educational materials
[16:49] <onetom> they are very welcome to learn
[16:49] <jarick> onetom: I can build a CF interface.
[16:49] <jarick> I understand enough from examination to build a CF flash memory device.
[16:49] <jarick> But I can't do the same with google apps.
[16:50] <icedwater> So what's the API for, then, jarick?
[16:50] <jarick> icedwater: WRT?
[16:50] <jarick> Google apps?
[16:50] <icedwater> Yup.
[16:50] <icedwater> Doesn't that allow you to construct an interface, as it were?
[16:50] <wywen> Hmmm I think NTUOSS has a Google Apps API talk coming up ...
[16:50] <jarick> The API just defines a way to manipulate objects. I can't replicate a apps.jarick.org and move my data over to it.
[16:51] <icedwater> Manipulate what objects?
[16:51] * elfgoh sees a lively debate going on and is tempted to jump right in
[16:51] <jarick> icedwater: Example, your docs.
[16:51] <jarick> icedwater: Say, for instance, google goes down.
[16:51] <jarick> Where's my own version of google apps?
[16:52] <jarick> Can I run google docs without google's servers?
[16:52] <jarick> Can I ask another vendor to run the apps?
[16:52] <onetom> yes, in that case u r left without proper applications to process ur data, BUT at least u still can read it as text
[16:52] <wywen> Eh... but if the servers are down... API no working
[16:52] <icedwater> wywen: Right.
[16:52] <jarick> wywen: I assume a migration period.
[16:53] <onetom> but i think this contract is about to produce a highavailability server park for singapore
[16:53] * elfgoh tells everyone to check out Open Goo as an alternative to Google docs: http://www.opengoo.org/
[16:53] <icedwater> Hm.
[16:53] <jarick> onetom: Ah, by your same argument, docx is a open format, because I can read it as text.
[16:53] <onetom> i know opengoo
[16:53] <onetom> my friend is trying to publicize it in hungaryy
[16:53] <onetom> we have even tried to contribute some code to it
[16:53] <onetom> but the community sux
[16:54] <onetom> and the code is terriible from inside..
[16:54] <wywen> Meh MOE loves to tie up with big companies to make themselves look good hehee.
[16:54] <jarick> onetom: Also, mdbs are open because I can open them as text.
[16:54] <jarick> Not pretty, but openable.
[16:54] <elfgoh> icedwater: do we have a bot missing?
[16:54] <jarick> maurice?
[16:54] <onetom> jarick: what do u mean? mdb? access? itn it binary?
[16:54] <inimical> marice came back as mirjam apparently
[16:54] <jarick> wywen: Don't forget partnerships with foreign educational bodies.
[16:54] <onetom> isnt
[16:55] <jarick> onetom: Yes, access. I can open it in text, and manipulate it, no?
[16:55] <wywen> jarick: yeah. UNSW. *cough*
[16:55] <onetom> it thin its binary, so no
[16:55] <jarick> (Part of the argument why I do my stuff in LaTeX)
[16:55] <jarick> onetom: What about docx?
[16:55] <wywen> MS WORD docx sucks. Ask me about writing papers in it!
[16:55] <onetom> that one is better since they published the dtd for it finally
[16:56] <jarick> wywen: Tell me about Loom.
[16:56] <icedwater> remind me in 10 seconds to ask wywen about papers in docx :P
[16:56] <mirjam> icedwater: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Mon Sep 28 16:56:23 SGT 2009
[16:56] <onetom> so i can move out data from it at least
[16:56] <mirjam> icedwater: You asked me to remind you to ask wywen about papers in docx :P
[16:56] <onetom> but i had the bad luck of generating open office xml too
[16:56] <wywen> jarick: awesome game. You get to play music and stuff. Also: ECED
[16:56] <onetom> programmatically
[16:56] <onetom> and xml sux
[16:56] <onetom> in general
[16:57] <jarick> wywen: OW! That hurt!
[16:57] <onetom> but it doesnt change the fact it's open, since u can read it's specificatipon
[16:57] <wywen> jarick: Cfgc!!!
[16:58] * jarick *horks* at wywen
[16:58] <jarick> onetom: And can you do the same with google docs?
[16:58] <wywen> hmmm I forgot the spell to turn things into a fried chicken ...
[16:58] <jarick> I can't read the data storage specs.
[16:58] <jarick> wywen: Everything else other than those two have a variation.
[16:59] <onetom> define data storage specs
[16:59] <jarick> Because both of those are heard on the audiotape.
[16:59] * icedwater is heading out :)
[16:59] <jarick> onetom: How to pull my formatted data out, put it in, and represent it.
[16:59] <onetom> they have extensive api documentation and data structure specification
[17:00] <wywen> Does it include markup data?
[17:00] <jarick> onetom: Doesn't change the fact that you're dependant on their service.
[17:00] <jarick> And you're bound by their ToS
[17:00] <onetom> u mean how can u get the generated html an pdf from them?
[17:01] <onetom> or what markup data?
[17:01] <wywen> Well style information
[17:01] <wywen> Does GDocs have semantic information on top of style :/?
[17:02] <onetom> it's the oher way around i think
[17:02] <onetom> while u r creating a google doc, u tell the semnatics
[17:02] <jarick> onetom: Also, I still want to have a fallback solution before I would consider google docs.
[17:02] <jarick> I still can't set up a local google docs server.
[17:02] <onetom> and they give u a set of default ogick which turns it into visual representation
[17:03] <onetom> that par is not really openand not even easily customizable
[17:03] <onetom> part
[17:03] <onetom> but u can get the semantics out what u have input to them
[17:04] <onetom> jarick: with google waves even this statemment will change
[17:04] <ruiwen> jarick: what's your take on Wave then?
[17:04] <onetom> i will be able to setup a wave server
[17:04] <onetom> and i think sooner or later google appss will be part of it
[17:04] <onetom> so i wont be worried about the current missing parts
[17:05] <ruiwen> yeah i was wondering if Wave would be their "big reveal" where everything turned out to be available to the public
[17:05] <onetom> from productivity and feasibility point of view, it's a gogod choice to let them manage the hw infrastructure below these apps
[17:05] <wywen> Hmm... the problem with Goog is that we don't even know if their teams inside are working with each other >__>
[17:06] <ruiwen> wywen: it would seem that they do no?
[17:06] <jarick> ruiwen: I'm confused by the specs.
[17:06] <onetom> well.. i think they have issues
[17:06] <jarick> I'm confused by XMPP, actually.
[17:06] <wywen> ruiwen: Not really :p...
[17:06] <ruiwen> wywen: although, most of the google app suite was purchased, so it's possible that they haven't able to put everybody happily together so soon
[17:06] <onetom> they bought most of the parts of their apps suite from different companies
[17:06] <jarick> It looks counterproductive.
[17:06] <ruiwen> wywen: how so?
[17:06] <onetom> and they r trying to harmonize these
[17:07] <onetom> thats why i mentioned yesterday the google sites export
[17:07] <ruiwen> jarick: wave? how so?
[17:07] <wywen> ruiwen: Duplicate projects that seem to compete with each other :D
[17:07] <ruiwen> wywen: such as?
[17:07] <onetom> it was a vendor lockin until a few days ago
[17:07] <wywen> ruiwen: Chromium Android
[17:07] <jarick> ruiwen: XMPP confuses me. It's too poll-ish.
[17:08] <onetom> i dont like xmpp either
[17:08] <onetom> looks bloated
[17:08] <onetom> but in waves there is a debug window
[17:08] * wywen pities GOOG engineers working hard at unifying things
[17:08] <onetom> where u can have a look at the actual raw data which got communicated
[17:08] <onetom> and it's binary
[17:08] <onetom> and pretty concise
[17:09] <ruiwen> wywen: or Chrome OS vs Android?
[17:09] <onetom> but of course u can have a look at its xml equvivalent
[17:09] <onetom> too
[17:09] <wywen> ruiwen: yes... it seems :/
[17:09] <jarick> I spend far too much time staring at logic analyzers.
[17:09] <jarick> :(
[17:09] <ruiwen> wywen: yeah, i'm waiting to be able to understand that move on their part too
[17:10] * jarick wanders off for a bit
[17:12] <wywen> ruiwen: Everything google does makes sense if you think of it as a bunch of disparate teams that barely talk to each other :p
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[17:14] <wywen> man, reading that MOE article sounds like someone just threw a lot of buzzwords together
[17:14] <ruiwen> wywen: although, google seems to have this habit of seemingly moving in disparate directions, then coalesce them at some suitable point down the road
[17:14] <wywen> ruiwen: true. OR THEY KILL one of the competing bits... e.g. Google Video/Youtube
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[17:15] <wywen> I barely get excited over what GOOG does. hehehe.
[17:16] <ruiwen> wywen: but it's interesting to see how they bring things together i think
[17:16] <wywen> ruiwen: True :)
[17:16] <wywen> The only GOOG project I am remotely excited about is the ParrotVM thing
[17:16] <ruiwen> wywen: though true, sometimes they do have to seem to take the spaghetti on the wall route =P
[17:17] <ruiwen> oh is parrot is by google?
[17:17] <wywen> Not initially
[17:17] <wywen> I think they adopted it sometime back
[17:17] <wywen> I'm interested in seeing it fight with the JVM ...
[17:18] <ruiwen> icic
[17:19] <wywen> Hmm.. the other thing I am interested in is OpenCL. But that was by Apple.
[17:19] <wywen> But maybe my interest in OpenCL is due to my hatred of CUDA
[17:21] <wywen> I realise the best outcome of MOE moving to Google Apps is that Wizlearn can finally go die a slow and horrible death!
[17:22] <ruiwen> what's Wizlearn?
[17:22] <wywen> The thing they used to be using.
[17:23] <wywen> Or are they going to keep both? Who knows.
[17:24] <jarick> wywen: Are you an educator?
[17:24] <jarick> Do you use cockpit?
[17:24] <wywen> jarick: Nope. Bitter Final year student from NTU :p
[17:25] <jarick> Ah.
[17:25] * wywen hopes to avoid ending up as an educator!
[17:27] <wywen> I need an idea for my next paper. I want to go to Italy.
[17:27] <wywen> http://www.europar2010.it/
[17:27] <ruiwen> what's cockpit jarick?
[17:30] <jarick> ruiwen: It's a painful thing designed for school admin.
[17:31] <ruiwen> jarick: for uploading slides and stuff? or..?
[17:31] <jarick> ruiwen: No, nominal rolls and all that.
[17:31] <jarick> Exam results.
[17:33] <wywen> Hmmm I hear lots of horror stories about internal apps used by the govt/GLCs
[17:34] <ruiwen> jarick: ah okie
[17:34] <ruiwen> icedwater wants to be an educator i think, so perhaps he can introduce some change then
[17:35] <wywen> Ooooh. Good luck
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[17:51] <onetom> will anyone come to cambodia to the barcamp?
[17:52] <onetom> wywen: how is parrotvm special?
[17:53] <onetom> have u tried the ioloanguage or squeak?
[17:54] <onetom> there are lots of great stuff outhere already just ppl somehow not recognizing it
[17:54] <onetom> but follow the trends no matter how crazy they are :)
[17:55] <onetom> inferno with it's limbo language is also a very astonishing project
[17:55] <onetom> not to talk about my favourite language, rebol
[17:56] <onetom> which i plan to present at the barcamp too
[17:57] <wywen> onetom: nothing's special about it yet. All I want is an implementation of Python on it without the GIL.
[17:57] <jarick> onetom: Isn't that the one with the funny context-sensitive keywords?
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[18:02] <anything> yo
[18:02] <elfgoh> wah anything
[18:02] <elfgoh> anything: lame name ;)
[18:03] <anything> hey at least i'm back boy
[18:03] <anything> elfgoh: slacking nv do work ah...
[18:04] <elfgoh> !twitter APT has a competitor: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg00010.html
[18:05] <elfgoh> Am doing the most boring part of my job now.... skinning
[18:07] * wywen is slowly typesetting a paper to be camera ready.
[18:10] <jarick> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Cat=2621773&k=beagle board
[18:10] <jarick> wywen: In what?
[18:10] <jarick> Also, that's in SGD
[18:13] <wywen> jarick: If you're asking about my paper it's about scheduling tasks on parallel processors.
[18:13] <jarick> DVI out, USB host.
[18:13] <jarick> Linux.
[18:13] <jarick> All under $150
[18:13] <wywen> Um... latex
[18:14] <jarick> wywen: Ah, got something already readable?
[18:14] <jarick> I'm working on a new parallel processing paradigm.
[18:14] <wywen> jarick: Yep.
[18:15] <jarick> Not really new, but it's more of a rehash of a pipeline flow processor.
[18:15] <wywen> I see... pipelining isn't very new .
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[18:15] <jarick> wywen: Dynamically reconfigurable pipelines are.
[18:15] <jarick> Relatively
[18:16] <wywen> Dynamically reconfigurable? How?
[18:16] <jarick> wywen: Crossbar switch like thing.
[18:16] <jarick> Not really a crossbar switch.
[18:16] <jarick> More of a shared partitionable multiport memory.
[18:17] <jarick> Configurable so that a given set of CPUs will be limited to a virtual address range.
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[18:18] <wywen> So is it dynamically partitioned?
[18:18] <jarick> So your programs can take on a CPU0->CPU1->CPU2->...->CPU0 structure, until a preset test is completed.
[18:18] <jarick> wywen: Yes, think MMU here.
[18:19] <jarick> Something like prime factorization would be a candidate for this.
[18:19] <jarick> Or most NP complete problems.
[18:19] <jarick> One "CPU" will do verification.
[18:19] <wywen> I work on general DAG structures
[18:20] <jarick> One moment, I think I overetched the board.
[18:21] <wywen> I work in simulation and abstract mathematical structures... So I don't worry about overetching board structures. Muahahaha.
[18:21] <jarick> :(
[18:21] <wywen> I DO have to worry about segfaults, though.
[18:23] * jarick wonders if wywen plays a game involving glass beads.
[18:24] <wywen> No. Me no play games involving glass beads.
[18:25] <jarick> wywen: I concern myself with more practical, implementable aspects.
[18:25] <wywen> jarick: I focus more on algorithms
[18:26] * jarick expects that wywen must be a hit at parties. :D
[18:26] <wywen> and techniques!
[18:26] <onetom> jarick: it's not funny, it's powerful ;))
[18:26] * jarick made the sad mistake of discussing filter stability at a dinner party.
[18:26] <wywen> :D
[18:26] <wywen> I don't talk about my work
[18:26] <jarick> Then again, it's a wonderful way of getting rid of people.
[18:27] <hyperair> hmm someone unexpected turned up
[18:27] <wywen> I was here for hours... !
[18:27] <hyperair> oh
[18:27] <hyperair> whoops =p
[18:27] <onetom> jarick: i made a frontend in it for PIC microcontroller burning for example
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[18:28] <jarick> "It should be evident that there are several poles with this setup." Them: "Ah, right. Err, poles. Right, I think I see Harold over there."
[18:28] <jarick> onetom: What, the beagle board?
[18:28] <wywen> Poles! You mean people from Poland??? :D
[18:29] <jarick> wywen: Where's the paper?
[18:29] <onetom> jarick: sorry, im not sure about the electronic terminology.. beagle board?
[18:29] <jarick> I'm waiting for my board to electroplate.
[18:29] <onetom> test board ?
[18:29] <jarick> onetom: The PIC microcontroller?
[18:29] <jarick> You built a programmer with the beagle board?
[18:29] * jarick wonders how onetom got the +12V
[18:29] <onetom> my father did the electronics
[18:30] <wywen> jarick: sitting on my HD!
[18:30] <onetom> i was on the "safe side" always... just dealt w SW
[18:31] <jarick> onetom: Ah, I thought you did a PIC programmer with the beagle board.
[18:31] <jarick> The beagle board is a cheap single board linux running embedded computer.
[18:31] <wywen> Don't think my boss will happily let me show my paper to strangers on the internet until it's submitted, though :/
[18:31] <onetom> no, i did the communication from PC thru serial to it with REBOL
[18:31] <jarick> onetom: Ah.
[18:31] <jarick> wywen: OK then.
[18:31] <wywen> At least you people can show others the "Lookit the shiny circuits I made"
[18:31] <onetom> and ofcourse i was doing the embedded programming too for the PIC
[18:32] <onetom> we build house automation system, dog heart stimulator and a lot of other stuff
[18:32] <hyperair> dog heart stimulator? O-o
[18:32] <onetom> like car mileage meter reverser
[18:33] <onetom> hyperair: for the pharmacology institute
[18:33] <jarick> wywen: Not really.
[18:33] <onetom> they need to measure the SNRT (SInus Node Recovery Time)
[18:33] <jarick> Most people are interested only in the external casing and the UI
[18:34] <wywen> I think circuits are nice
[18:34] <jarick> onetom: So you disturb the poor dog's rhythm.
[18:34] <onetom> which is the time after the sinus node starts to work again if u stop external stimulation
[18:34] * jarick plays the "animal rights" card.
[18:34] <wywen> Ewwww... dog nose implants
[18:34] <onetom> yes
[18:35] <onetom> and we made stuff for preparated bunnies and rats too
[18:35] <wywen> onetom: do you stick the things in there yourself, or do you rely on the dirty lab coat people to do it?
[18:35] <onetom> mmy father was working for the biochemistry department and made a lots of experimental instruments
[18:36] <onetom> doctors were doing the operations, like platina heart implants for the rabbits
[18:37] <onetom> but one of those doctors has operated our cat which had an accident and broke its leg
[18:37] <onetom> i was standing next to the operation table as a ~6-7yrs old boy
[18:37] <onetom> 10yrs later the father of that dude has operated my testicles :)
[18:38] <jarick> onetom: What happened?
[18:38] <onetom> btw, do u know the nobel-prize owner guy who found that the most C vitamin can be extracted from the yellow pepper (chilli)
[18:39] <onetom> Szentgyorgyi Albert
[18:39] <onetom> he made his discovery in the very same biocheemistry institue
[18:39] <onetom> which is now named after him
[18:39] <jarick> Ah.
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[18:40] <onetom> but he got the nobel prize for describing the citrus-cycle in the power transmission process of the plants
[18:40] <jarick> onetom: Must be hard to tell the cab driver the address.
[18:40] <jarick> Hmm, the resist failed to strip.
[18:41] <onetom> :)
[18:41] <jarick> Back in 10 mins.
[18:41] <onetom> its like saint george albert
[18:43] <onetom> and the name of the city is Szeged [~seghed]
[18:44] <jarick> Not that bad then.
[18:44] <jarick> :(
[18:44] <jarick> Bloody resist.
[18:45] <onetom> regarding my testicle; it was a problem which is a problem for 10% of every men once in their life at least
[18:45] <onetom> normally it goes away by itself
[18:45] <onetom> it's called a testicle appendix torsion
[18:45] <jarick> Ah.
[18:45] <onetom> that appendix is a small , functionless piece of meat
[18:46] <jarick> onetom: Don't have one.
[18:46] <onetom> which can be tied up with the ondo tunnel i guess
[18:46] <onetom> so they had to cut it out
[18:47] <onetom> but the real "fun" about it was the local anesthesis
[18:47] <onetom> they pushed a huge needle into my ass
[18:47] <onetom> waited for a few minutes
[18:47] <onetom> and knocked on my balls to chk if i feel it or not
[18:47] <onetom> i told them im not sure
[18:47] <jarick> Heh.
[18:48] <onetom> and they took it as a NO :))
[18:48] <jarick> "Does it hurt when I do *this* *WHAM*"
[18:48] <onetom> so they made the incision
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[18:48] <onetom> afterwards they didnt want to believ that i reall feel it :)
[18:48] <onetom> they were saying things like:
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[18:49] <onetom> nooo its not that , its just an out-radiated feeling which u feel because we pull the stuff
[18:49] <onetom> etc
[18:49] <onetom> but now i have to go to shower
[18:49] <onetom> bbl
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[19:29] <SilverWolf> Hey mates
[19:32] <JeremiahViztree> hwy
[19:33] <JeremiahViztree> SilverWolf: i just got my SSD
[19:33] <SilverWolf> JeremiahViztree, I saw :D
[19:33] <JeremiahViztree> clone my OS now lolx
[19:33] <SilverWolf> Whats up with putting it in with USB?
[19:33] <SilverWolf> THAT IS WRONG :D
[19:33] <SilverWolf> What brand is it?
[19:34] <JeremiahViztree> it has a build-in usb
[19:34] <JeremiahViztree> Team is the bran
[19:34] <JeremiahViztree> im cloning my OS over thats y i plugin the usb
[19:34] <SilverWolf> team?
[19:34] <SilverWolf> What is team?
[19:34] <JeremiahViztree> this hardisk do not reqiure a shell or case to use the usb
[19:35] <JeremiahViztree> the memory maker
[19:35] <SilverWolf> Okay, Ive never heard of it
[19:35] <JeremiahViztree> transend
[19:35] <SilverWolf> WOT?!
[19:35] <SilverWolf> Okay :-)
[19:35] <SilverWolf> Was it expensive?
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[19:35] <JeremiahViztree> $455
[19:35] <JeremiahViztree> it is $$$$
[19:36] <JeremiahViztree> buy i wan it on my mac.. speed boost plus longer a battery and i can work on the bus tooo
[19:36] <JeremiahViztree> won be afraid of bumpy roads now
[19:41] <SilverWolf> JeremiahViztree, is the model nr. TS128GSSD25-M?
[19:41] <JeremiahViztree> yup
[19:41] <JeremiahViztree> y?
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[19:42] <JeremiahViztree> anythg wrong SilverWolf?/
[19:43] <triplez> boo
[19:46] <SilverWolf> JeremiahViztree, well, I think if it using the Jmicron controller as in the past models, then after you have written all the data ones on it, then the performance will drop a lot
[19:46] <JeremiahViztree> i see
[19:47] <JeremiahViztree> where do u se the model number?
[19:47] <SilverWolf> On the disk?
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[19:49] <JeremiahViztree> http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/teamgroup/en/productDetail.php?pd_id=357&pl1_id=7&pl2_id=48
[19:50] <JeremiahViztree> this one
[19:50] <JeremiahViztree> SilverWolf:
[19:51] <SilverWolf> oki :-) Cool
[19:52] <SilverWolf> I dont know what is in it :-) But.. .anyway.. every SSD is soooo much cooler than normal harddisks :D It is going to be a blast! :D
[19:52] <SilverWolf> vruuuuum!
[19:53] <JeremiahViztree> yea
[19:53] <JeremiahViztree> hmmup have to update firmware
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[20:09] <onetom> JeremiahViztree: i also work on the bus too.. even with hdd.. but my life is online, so im not worried ;)
[20:10] <onetom> i use an eee 1000he -- 5+hrs / battery on ubuntu even if im online thru bluetooth or usb connection to my sony ericsson k770i
[20:10] <JeremiahViztree> onetom: hmmmp i cant afford to lose my data
[20:10] <JeremiahViztree> im using a mac
[20:11] <onetom> im using ssh for work :)
[20:11] <JeremiahViztree> i see i tether using my iphone or my htc magic
[20:11] <JeremiahViztree> or my huawei modem
[20:11] <JeremiahViztree> i lost my data b4
[20:12] <JeremiahViztree> was damn painful
[20:12] <onetom> i do rsync at least 1 time a day
[20:12] <JeremiahViztree> nice
[20:12] <onetom> thats the key to no loss
[20:13] <onetom> and as we talked about it today, i have a couple of google documents too ;)
[20:13] <JeremiahViztree> ic
[20:13] <onetom> they store it on raid 1000 probably ;))
[20:14] <onetom> so i dont mind if they read my scripts in exchange :)
[20:14] <JeremiahViztree> ?
[20:15] <onetom> nvm. i was just refering back to the morning debate we had here
[20:15] <JeremiahViztree> onetom: have we met...
[20:16] <onetom> but how big is ur mac?
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[20:16] <JeremiahViztree> are u the guy wit the glasses?
[20:16] <JeremiahViztree> 13 inches
[20:16] <onetom> i found using even my 12" ibook a bit inconvenient
[20:16] <onetom> on a bus or mrt
[20:17] <JeremiahViztree> onetom: have i seen u b4?
[20:17] <onetom> i have glasses, yes but it's true in case of many of us :)
[20:17] <JeremiahViztree> hackfest and codeandroid?
[20:17] <onetom> hackfest, yes
[20:18] <JeremiahViztree> are u the guy with a pinoy wife? or tai wife?
[20:18] <onetom> i went ther w andras, the other hungarian guy
[20:18] <onetom> yes, thai
[20:18] <JeremiahViztree> ok
[20:18] <onetom> and u ?
[20:18] <JeremiahViztree> soo this is ur nick here lolx
[20:18] <JeremiahViztree> Jeremiah
[20:19] <JeremiahViztree> u know me
[20:19] <onetom> most certainly, i just cant recall u by ur name
[20:19] <JeremiahViztree> hmm
[20:19] <JeremiahViztree> u got facebook?
[20:19] <onetom> yeah
[20:20] <JeremiahViztree> see pm
[20:20] <onetom> i was expecting u to do a similar quiz but on urself as u did on me :)
[20:22] <JeremiahViztree> ok onetom im swapping my HDD to SSD now going to shutdown now brb
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[20:50] <SilverWlf> where is hackfest hold ? :-)
[20:50] <SilverWlf> At Redhat?
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[22:04] <elfgoh> wah who is left hand grip in HoN chat now?
[22:05] <jarick> Left hand grip?
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[22:59] <SilverWolf> where is hackfest hold ? :-)
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[23:00] <triplez> redhat office
[23:00] <triplez> 10th oct
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[23:05] <SilverWolf> triplez, awesome :D
[23:05] <triplez> :)
[23:05] <SilverWolf> only the 10 oct?
[23:05] <SilverWolf> 10 to 11?
[23:08] <triplez> only 10th
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[23:55] <ruiwen> yay
[23:56] <ruiwen> venue confirmed for Hackfest
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[23:57] <yq> ruiwen: booze venue ?
[23:57] <ruiwen> yq: booze?
[23:58] <ruiwen> yq: heh after hackfest eh?
[23:58] <yq> ;)
[23:58] <ruiwen> any where in town is good =p
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