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[0:00] <yq> ruiwen: yes good
[0:00] <yq> haha
[0:03] <jarick> What's the theme for the hackfest?
[0:03] <triplez> :)
[0:03] <triplez> hacking for booze? :P
[0:03] <ruiwen> jarick: no theme, anything you want
[0:03] <ruiwen> jarick: though i think elfgoh wants to look at distro remastering
[0:03] <ruiwen> you can join him for that if you're interested
[0:04] <ruiwen> triplez: will hack for booze maybe? =P
[0:04] <schiv> is there somewhere i can read about this hackfest?
[0:05] <triplez> you can read about previous hackfests at www.linuxnus.org
[0:05] <yq> theme: drunkhack
[0:05] <ruiwen> schiv: not yet, we just got confirmatino of venue
[0:05] <ruiwen> schiv: but yeah, we have blog posts of previous hackfests on linuxnus.org
[0:05] <jarick> ruiwen: I don't know what time I will book out.
[0:05] <ruiwen> jarick: where's your camp?
[0:05] <ruiwen> jarick: we have between 1-6pm though
[0:07] <jarick> ruiwen: Pulau Tekong.
[0:07] <jarick> Going back for recourse, fucked up due to foot injuries.
[0:07] <jarick> :(
[0:08] <ruiwen> jarick: ah okie..
[0:08] <ruiwen> jarick: should about noon-ish then, i guess? but you'll need to head home to get your stuff first?
[0:09] <jarick> ruiwen: I'm going to put that one as a "maybe"
[0:09] <jarick> I may book out on Friday evening.
[0:09] <ruiwen> oh okie hope you do then =)
[0:10] * jarick might bring the avrbutterfly.
[0:10] <ruiwen> avrbutterfly?
[0:11] <jarick> ruiwen: Atmel eval kit.
[0:11] <jarick> Has a nice gcc-based toolchain.
[0:11] <jarick> http://www.atmel.com/dyn/Products/tools_card.asp?tool_id=3146
[0:11] <jarick> And has a serial bootloader.
[0:12] <ruiwen> looks interesting.. what plans do you have for it?
[0:13] <dwu> jarick: what are you recoursing? bmt?
[0:13] <jarick> ruiwen: I'm working on a lightmeter.
[0:13] <dwu> ruiwen: hackfest, i hear?
[0:13] <jarick> ruiwen: I'd like to also demo the platform, and the toolchain.
[0:14] <jarick> dwu: Yes.
[0:14] <triplez> hey dwu... or anyone
[0:14] <dwu> jarick: well that blows.
[0:14] <jarick> I fucked up my joints. They're downgrading me.
[0:14] <dwu> triplez: hihi *huggle*
[0:14] <triplez> does anyone know where to get a custom made cake?
[0:14] <ruiwen> dwu: hackfest, yes =)
[0:14] <jarick> And they want me to go for a recourse.
[0:14] <dwu> triplez: bake :)
[0:14] <dwu> ruiwen: details!
[0:14] <jarick> I am going for a recourse. With a stick.
[0:14] <triplez> errr.... not myself... i would rather have a pro do it
[0:14] <dwu> hurhur.
[0:14] <dwu> triplez: google?
[0:14] <triplez> don't want to poison all my guests at the party
[0:14] <ruiwen> dwu: 10 Oct, Red Hat's office, 1-6pm
[0:15] <jarick> dwu: It might be amusing though: Technically, according to the MO, I've got nothing to do for 7 weeks.
[0:15] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, hehe you didnt tell me that you had been in sweden for a year! :D
[0:15] <dwu> ruiwen: sounds eminently doable, for once no goff night.
[0:15] <dwu> triplez: ooh a party?
[0:15] <dwu> triplez: are we invited?
[0:15] <triplez> yes... remember windows 7 party?
[0:15] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: i have told you =) and have you just found out?
[0:15] * jarick wonders if a 6502, some SRAM and a 8 bit toggle switch is permitted.
[0:16] <hyperair> O_o windows 7 party huh
[0:16] <triplez> yes of coz you are
[0:16] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, I might have overheard it :D
[0:16] <ruiwen> triplez: when windows 7 party?
[0:16] <triplez> planning to have it on 24th Oct Saturday
[0:16] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: haha from?
[0:16] <dwu> triplez: ooh yes do want :)
[0:16] <triplez> hoping to get a room at SMU
[0:16] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, I spoke with your college today which i have ai and db class with :-)
[0:16] <dwu> (damn, it's almost oct. time to do halloween plotting)
[0:16] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: ah kenneth, i'm guessing?
[0:16] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, i mean... i didnt react on it :)
[0:17] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, check! :D
[0:17] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: haha yeah the guy who was peeking at your screen that day =P
[0:17] <SilverWolf> yea :D
[0:17] <ruiwen> cool cool
[0:17] <ruiwen> (get him to spend more time here =)
[0:17] <SilverWolf> Yea... hmm.. but youre finished right?
[0:17] <SilverWolf> ... yes...
[0:17] <SilverWolf> hehe
[0:17] <SilverWolf> at work or?
[0:17] <SilverWolf> or at linuxnus?
[0:18] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: finished? yeah, done with school
[0:18] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: at work? haha no.. #linuxnus i mean
[0:18] <SilverWolf> ah :p
[0:18] <jarick> Good night!
[0:18] <triplez> dwu: so i need a windows 7 cake
[0:18] <SilverWolf> Ill hint him next time i see him.... and and he should go for hackfest also
[0:18] <ruiwen> oh yeah definitely
[0:18] <SilverWolf> Cant wait
[0:18] <ruiwen> not sure if he'll be in any time this week
[0:19] <SilverWolf> But only one day....I mean.... come oooooooooon :)
[0:19] <ruiwen> it's mid terms this week though?
[0:19] <SilverWolf> yeap
[0:19] <SilverWolf> On Thursdag there is AI midterm
[0:19] <triplez> ooooo
[0:19] <ruiwen> ah ok.. that probably explains why i haven't seen him around much
[0:19] <SilverWolf> hehe yea :-)
[0:20] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, you work there full time right?
[0:20] <dwu> triplez: well, ok. do a design and google for a caker.
[0:20] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: yup
[0:20] <SilverWolf> ruiwen cool
[0:20] <ruiwen> triplez: checked out Angies The Choice?
[0:20] <sng_> triplez: http://www.cabel.name/2009/09/windows-7-party.html
[0:20] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: drop by our office some time if you're free
[0:20] <dwu> ruiwen: do they custom?
[0:20] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, did they put up the branch when you came back to singapore, or was it after?
[0:21] <dwu> i do love their cakes though.
[0:21] <ruiwen> dwu: hm have no idea..i see fancy cakes in their display though
[0:21] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, sure :p Youre still at the office?
[0:21] <triplez> sng_: err... no... :)
[0:21] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: haha no, not now
[0:21] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, heheh :D
[0:21] <triplez> sng_: that's super scary
[0:21] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: was over the weekend though
[0:21] <dwu> ruiwen: they do their own designs, i think. prolly will custom, but not sure :)
[0:21] <sng_> triplez: Watch it. ONe of the funnier things you'll see today.
[0:21] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, Im still at com1... after i found out it was 15 min walk from pgp... i have bothered to go home before 11
[0:22] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, hehe, busy, or just hanging out?
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[0:22] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: what, the weekend?
[0:22] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: yeah we're rushing a release
[0:22] <SilverWolf> yeap
[0:22] <SilverWolf> hehe and singaporians know how to work
[0:23] <triplez> sng_: already did... some time ago
[0:23] * yq hands ruiwen employee award
[0:23] <SilverWolf> What the fuck is up with everone still at com1.... there is like 30-40 people still here doing homework
[0:23] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: that's actually very very sad
[0:23] <ruiwen> yq: *sob sob*
[0:24] <triplez> so i assume nobody here would like to go to my windows 7 party... yes? except dwu... :P
[0:24] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, hehe...yes...very... but cool... then im not alone
[0:24] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: many seem surprised to learn that singaporeans think that evenings are for homework and studies i heard
[0:24] <SilverWolf> triplez, hehe im already on win7?
[0:24] <dwu> triplez: you know i loves me a party :)
[0:24] <yq> ruiwen: wah... make me feel guilty
[0:25] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, hehe indeed... it is crazy... normally you can do it in 7-8 hours 5 days a week in copenhagen uni... but here it require at least it is all 7 days
[0:25] <dwu> ruiwen: i don't know what you are, but i ain't that singaporean :)
[0:25] <SilverWolf> triplez, how will we celebrate it?
[0:26] <triplez> i'm thinking just a 30 minute consumer feature run-through... EAT and socialize...
[0:26] <triplez> and then prize giving + cake!
[0:26] <dwu> the cake is a lie.
[0:26] <triplez> .... why lie?
[0:27] <ruiwen> dwu: sure hope party cake isn't a lie
[0:27] <sng_> triplez: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI
[0:27] <sng_> The cake is a lie.
[0:27] <dwu> dudes, you all suck at being geeks. portal already :P
[0:28] <triplez> lol
[0:30] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: i miss working in Stockholm =P
[0:30] <SilverWolf> triplez, So we going to do like this party?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ
[0:30] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, hehe you mean there was less work? :p
[0:30] <dwu> oh yes. i finished my first ever route march today :)
[0:30] <triplez> SilverWolf: NO
[0:31] <ruiwen> SilverWolf: well certainly felt less packed
[0:31] <sng_> And my favorite version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyqlX9toWk
[0:32] <SilverWolf> ruiwen, hehe :p Well, we didnt have the right courses at copenhagen.. so at the moment im not missing it :D
[0:32] <dwu> hurhur, gay vid.
[0:32] <sng_> Certain people have accuse me of crushing on Ms. Day.
[0:32] <sng_> Don't see it myself.
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[0:34] <dwu> they're wrong. you don't crush on felicia, you have an unhealthy obsession.
[0:34] <sng_> Oi.
[0:34] <dwu> you do.
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[0:34] <sng> I didn't say you were wrong.
[0:35] <dwu> oh my god why is this bunk so fricking -warm-
[0:35] <dwu> bloody useless fan.
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[0:50] <triplez> i'm in love with ff13
[0:51] <inimical> ff13=final fantasy 13?
[0:52] <triplez> yes
[0:52] <triplez> why does all the men look so men now...
[0:52] <inimical> darn which reminds me, i haven't played 12
[0:52] <triplez> only the small boy looks so girl... :P
[0:53] <inimical> oh no, it's gonna be released this year
[0:53] <triplez> the jap version
[0:53] <triplez> international will be on february
[0:54] <ruiwen> (anybody here watch(ed) Futurama?)
[0:54] <triplez> yes
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[1:56] <BeBoPt> hi
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[2:05] <schiv> bfs is simply awesome..you guys must try it
[2:06] <schiv> s/try/use/
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[2:23] <SilverWolf> Brainfuck Scheduler ?
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[2:40] <icedwater> Wow, many people awake now eh.
[2:41] <icedwater> And yes, the cake *is* a lie. I always thought nyonya kueh was better anyway.
[2:42] <icedwater> dwu: A heavy shower just passed. It is still drizzling now, but it was a squall a while ago.
[2:43] <schiv> Brain Fuck Scheduler, yes. The guy is good with names.
[2:56] <inimical> icedwater: that shower was timely. i was just about to fall asleep
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[2:58] <inimical> SilverWolf: mugging in pgp?
[3:12] <icedwater> inimical: See you tomorrow after your test? I am yet to figure out how to drag the PC over...
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[3:26] <inimical> icedwater: sure, and as i said: DHL it
[3:26] <inimical> :D
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[10:30] <elfgoh_mobile> Rise and shine everyone!
[10:36] <elfgoh_mobile> Interesting that we have an italian visiting us earlier today
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[11:37] <icedwater> Who, bebopt?
[11:37] <icedwater> Or do you mean visiting you at the office?
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[12:20] <triplez> there was a meeting yesterday?
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[12:26] <icedwater> Not that I know of.
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[12:40] <inimical> argh
[12:48] <icedwater> inimical: argh? How bad was the test?
[12:51] <inimical> icedwater: test post-mortems are bad for health :)
[12:51] <inimical> will you be coming?
[12:52] <icedwater> Heh. Not so soon, maybe around 2.30-3?
[12:52] <icedwater> You going to be in the room till then?
[12:52] <icedwater> If not, just meet me somewhere so I can take the key from you..
[12:53] <inimical> i might not be there, come to pgp for the key :D
[12:54] <inimical> or somewhere that suits you
[12:56] <dwu> coming? where? :O
[13:00] <inimical> dwu: our cozy clubroom
[13:01] <inimical> interested?
[13:04] <icedwater> Hmm... I'll let you know again.
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[13:21] <dwu> inimical: hrm today?
[13:27] <icedwater> Yeah, I'm going over in a while to deliver the PC I promised them.
[13:28] <icedwater> dwu: That monitor you used over the weekend, too.
[13:30] <maxus> hi folks
[13:30] <maxus> i'm really excited with the good hardware support in ubuntu
[13:30] <maxus> worked like a clock on my netbook
[13:31] <maxus> only issue is the microphone
[13:31] <maxus> but i hope that can be fixed
[13:31] <maxus> question is should i install the plain vanilla ubuntu or the netbook edition
[13:31] <maxus> do i need the extra stuff in the netbook one?
[13:32] <maxus> it's 950MB compared to an iso image of around 700
[13:32] <maxus> ubuntu is so snappy and smooth compared to winxp
[13:35] <icedwater> maxus: I guess vanilla works fine :)
[13:39] <elfgoh> maxus: UNR is more efficient with screen real estate
[13:40] <icedwater> Also, who's up for supper on Saturday night?
[13:40] <icedwater> Or, Friday even, if you guys can make it.
[13:40] <icedwater> elfgoh: How much more efficient?
[13:40] <maxus> elfgoh: good point
[13:40] <elfgoh> maxus: And Ubuntu 9.10 arriving on 29/10 fyi
[13:41] <maxus> elfgoh: guess i can always upgrade
[13:41] <icedwater> Heh, just in time?
[13:41] <elfgoh> icedwater: enough for me to suggest that you google up some reviews and look at the screenshots
[13:41] <maxus> UNR is the netbook edition?
[13:41] <maxus> an N for Netbook
[13:41] <maxus> ah
[13:41] <icedwater> Upgrade path would probably be smoother with the vanilla edition I guess.
[13:41] <elfgoh> maxus: R for remix
[13:42] <icedwater> Also, I've used the netbook remix and seen the launcher before... it was pretty handy, but I'm not sure what else you mean by efficient with screen real estate.
[13:42] <icedwater> elfgoh: How about you tell me what *you* think about it, instead of quoting reviews and screenshots?
[13:42] <icedwater> Call me lazy, but I want to hear it from you :)
[13:43] <maxus> so you're saying it will look like this
[13:43] <maxus> http://www.tuxradar.com/files/unr1.jpg
[13:43] <maxus> http://www.tuxradar.com/files/unr1.jpg
[13:44] <maxus> what? UNR makes it very easy to run programs by listing all the available applications directly on your desktop
[13:44] <elfgoh> icedwater: A picture speaks a thousand words. That's why I told you to google it
[13:44] <maxus> I'm not really sure if i want that
[13:44] <elfgoh> icedwater: Lazy
[13:44] <maxus> sounds like a kindergarden mode
[13:44] <elfgoh> icedwater: Am using the pictures to support my Pov
[13:44] <maxus> okay, this is useful
[13:45] <maxus> But the real surprise comes when you launch any program, because they nearly all launch automatically maximised and with their window decoration (the brown bar at the top) removed.
[13:45] <maxus> Instead of window decorations, UNR launches programs as if they were browser tabs.
[13:45] <maxus> but part of the magic of UNR is that work has been put in to save pixels everywhere and eventually all those savings add up: you really do get more data on your screen with UNR
[13:46] <maxus> I'm not sure if i like the idea of having everything maximized
[13:47] <maxus> i sure hope the UNR lets you normalize windows
[13:48] <maxus> lol - this is a ghastly example
[13:48] <maxus> http://www.tuxradar.com/files/unr5.jpg
[13:49] <maxus> and oops
[13:49] <maxus> The only other problem - also minor - is Gnome's viciously slow code for reading icons, which is compounded by the fact that UNR won't change tabs until the icons for that tab have been loaded.
[13:50] <thelaptop|work> ooo are we talking about UNR? i don't really use it on my 701
[13:56] <icedwater> Hm
[13:56] <icedwater> I've been using eeebuntu for a while now, I don't use my 701 frequently but when I do I like that.
[13:57] <icedwater> It's got some support for the asus hotkeys, so that's good, I can change the screen brightness using the keyboard.
[13:58] <icedwater> elfgoh: While a picture occasionally speaks a thousand words, or somewhere in that order, I would prefer drafting a thousand words because then you have more control over how people understand the words as opposed to hoping they draw the right conclusions from your picture :P
[13:59] <maxus> screen brightness worked right out of the box without UNR
[13:59] <icedwater> Also, this is no excuse for plopping pictures and links instead of really sharing what you think :)
[13:59] <icedwater> maxus: Which laptop are you using?
[13:59] <maxus> Acer inspire one
[14:00] <maxus> Hari Raja sales edition
[14:00] <maxus> :p
[14:00] <maxus> i think it's the same as the ordinary one
[14:00] <icedwater> You were the one who ... yeah, I recall.
[14:00] <icedwater> Yeah, it should be the same. Acer Aspire One, eh... which colour did you get? :P
[14:00] <maxus> they didn't ask me which color i wanted
[14:00] <maxus> i just got one
[14:00] <elfgoh> icedwater: Have you seen screenshots of UNR prior to this conversation?
[14:00] <maxus> it is black
[14:00] <maxus> and i like that
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[14:02] <icedwater> elfgoh: As mentioned, I used it before, memory needed refreshing as I'd had it wiped for ziyong to install Android I think.
[14:04] <elfgoh> icedwater: it's one thing to ask for a thousand words before seeing or refreshing your memory with the screenshots, and quite another to ask after seeing the screenshots. At least IMHO.
[14:06] <icedwater> Well, they are different things, but equally valid in my opinion.
[14:08] <icedwater> Now that I *have* seen the screenshots, what is your point?
[14:08] <icedwater> I think I like vanilla Ubuntu better, and I don't see the need for everything to be maximised by default.
[14:08] <elfgoh> icedwater: Imagine if you had never see a painting of Mona Lisa. I could use a million words to describe it. But the appreciation and understanding of the description will be so much more enhanced if you had seen the actual painting itself
[14:09] <icedwater> Well... actually... you have a point, but having seen the Mona Lisa I would have to say ... nope.
[14:09] <icedwater> *wink*
[14:09] <elfgoh> icedwater: For instance, i could bitch about a flaw in Mona Lisa's left eye.......
[14:10] <icedwater> Also, one problem with normal Ubuntu, I guess, is that some dialogs run out of the bottom edge of the screen. So that is one area where UNR wins, I guess, though unr5.jpg is kind of ugly.
[14:10] <elfgoh> it's bigger than the right eye
[14:10] <icedwater> elfgoh: Are your eyes exactly the same size?
[14:10] <ruiwen> does anyone know it this is legit: http://sites.google.com/site/chromeoslinux/home ?
[14:10] <icedwater> If you have an answer, how did you measure them?
[14:11] <elfgoh> icedwater: no they are not, but that was really a hypothetical argument, and hence the usage of "could bitch"
[14:11] <icedwater> Why not try it, ruiwen? I think it looks all right... no harm trying it right? It's just an ISO :P
[14:12] <icedwater> Even better, it's a VM thingamajig.
[14:12] <ruiwen> icedwater: the question if it's packaged from google
[14:12] <ruiwen> icedwater: ie. an official thing
[14:13] <icedwater> Well, I am not sure. Also, if it were official wouldn't there be more info about it?
[14:14] <freeside> funny y'all mention the mona lisa, i was just thinking this picture kind of had that quality: http://mengwong.com/photography/20090929-imatch/dsc_1917.html
[14:15] <elfgoh> freeside: I have a hypothesis that most people's master eye is bigger than their other eye
[14:15] <icedwater> elfgoh: That needed to be phrased better, then. It implied there *was* a flaw and your choice was whether or not to bitch about it, hence the *could*.
[14:15] <ruiwen> icedwater: yeah, didn't notice any official announcement of any sort, so was wondering
[14:16] <icedwater> Yeah, also, I would think the official team would have it on something other than a Google Site.
[14:16] <ruiwen> icedwater: you do appear to have some time now though, wanna give it a test run for all of us?
[14:16] <icedwater> Heh, I don't have virtualbox installed on my amd64.
[14:16] <icedwater> I could test it in Windows though.
[14:17] <elfgoh> icedwater: Well I set a trap and you fell right in.
[14:18] <elfgoh> It was done at an unconscious level though
[14:19] <icedwater> elfgoh: Er... what trap?
[14:19] <elfgoh> Feeling mischieviously malicious today
[14:19] * elfgoh waves to icewater in the pithole and seals the pithole entrance
[14:20] * icedwater defines himself as not being in a trap, and walks away, chuckling at poor icewater.
[14:20] <icedwater> I don't think anyone here saw anything that looked vaguely like a trap... but if you insist, then good for you :)
[14:21] <icedwater> ruiwen: Also, moot point. Downloading the vmx.tar.gz gives me all of 0 bytes, I can't use it either way.
[14:21] <icedwater> -1 for credibility then. Or maybe they're just careless.
[14:22] <ruiwen> icedwater: i guess not official then, their download link is on some wuala, which i figure google won't use for their own releases
[14:22] <icedwater> Also, if anyone here would like to point out the trap which elfgoh claims to have set @ 14:18 and show me *why* I am, beyond the shadow of a doubt, trapped, I would like to be enlightened so as not to fall into any of the further traps that there might be outside :)
[14:23] <icedwater> ruiwen: However, the .iso.gz seems to be OK... will check the md5sum.
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[14:24] <icedwater> I was intending to wipe my SUSE partition anyway, so I have a bit of space to try a new OS with. :D
[14:25] <maxus> in Uni i had a professor with a really creepy eye
[14:25] <maxus> one of her eyes were wide open and the other one half closed
[14:26] <icedwater> Hm
[14:26] <maxus> some people's eyes can be different due to accidents or injuries though, so you can be tricked
[14:27] <maxus> and the facial shape can be formed by always sleeping on one side
[14:27] <icedwater> Oh dear, I always sleep on my back ... is the back of my head flatter then? :P
[14:27] <maxus> icedwater: do you sleep on your back all throughout the night
[14:29] <maxus> i really scared my grandmother when she was hosting me one night my parents were away, because i fell asleep in one position and was in the exact same position next morning
[14:29] <maxus> she wondered if i was still alive
[14:31] <maxus> and this guy has the same eyes as Kimberly in that picture http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v296/192/30/682866607/n682866607_813687_6093.jpg
[14:32] <maxus> anyway: faces and eyes aside
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[14:33] <maxus> if i install ubuntu, how many partitions should i make on the 160GB HDD
[14:33] <maxus> can i fit an os and programs on 40GB?
[14:35] <ruiwen> kelvinq: hey you've met jiayuan?
[14:35] <elfgoh> maxus: remember to backup 1st btw. 1 parition for windows, 1 for /, 1 for /home. yes to the 40GB question
[14:35] <kelvinq> ruiwen: nope. who is jiayuan?
[14:36] <thelaptop|work> maxus: 16 partitions of 10GB each
[14:36] <maxus> elfgoh: i don't really have anything on the machine that i want to keep
[14:36] <maxus> but thanks for the advise
[14:36] <ruiwen> kelvinq: heh he said he met you at TEDx.. just came back from Stockholm.. ring any bells?
[14:37] <kelvinq> oh yes. now i remember. :)
[14:38] <maxus> elfgoh: what about swap partition, is that something that the installer makes for me, or will i need to dedicate one?
[14:38] <inimical> icedwater: after reading the above conversation i'd have to say you are an extremely pedantic person :)
[14:39] <elfgoh> maxus: ah yes and 1 for swap too. Am not too familiar with the installer. But the safest would be to dedicate one for swap
[14:39] <icedwater> maxus: Well, my / on benoit is 48G, of which I'm using 37G. That's including /home. On guerrero, I have a 8.4G partition for / and a 12G for /home, but each of those is only 50-60% used.
[14:40] <icedwater> inimical: Pedantic, what's that? :P I prefer specific :P
[14:40] <maxus> and the swap partition should be equal to the sleep image plus a could of gig, right?
[14:41] <maxus> i guess 4.5 gig is enough
[14:41] <icedwater> Would be good, but I personally never had the sleep thing work out nicely for me, so I usually have less swap and just not hibernate it.
[14:41] <maxus> could=couple
[14:41] <maxus> autocorrect was being a bit too eager there...
[14:41] <icedwater> maxus: I think 2GiB is a little more than sufficient.
[14:42] <maxus> icedwater: the netbook seems to hibernate whenever i press the sleep button
[14:42] <icedwater> Yeah, if it works for you, give it swap then :)
[14:42] <icedwater> Though I think 4.5GB is still enormous.
[14:43] <maxus> i guess suspend is equal to hibernate
[14:43] <elfgoh> maxus: I think that's the case for swap if you want to suspend/hibernate properly
[14:44] <maxus> modern applications and browsers typically eat excessive amounts of swap
[14:44] <maxus> elfgoh: you mean you never hibernate? so you power off the thing when you go from one place to another?
[14:45] <onetom> modern = bloated snot pellet shit piles?
[14:45] <maxus> i find it's always good to have a bit more swap than the bare minimum
[14:45] <maxus> I've set aside 8GB on my macbook
[14:46] <maxus> 4GB for the sleep image and 4GB swap
[14:46] <maxus> and yes, sometimes my swap is 3-4 GB
[14:46] <onetom> it's alwayss good to have a some swap space for the memleaking apps :)
[14:47] <onetom> i run god on our servers to monitor rails apps
[14:47] <onetom> the author of god claims it's not mleaking
[14:47] <maxus> exactly, even firefox leaks
[14:47] <onetom> but on a fucking buguntu it eats up 1G+ in a week :)
[14:48] <maxus> except the firefox team calls it a feature, since they store things you have recently seen in ram for fast access
[14:48] <onetom> but we have 10G swap on 8G boxes..
[14:48] <elfgoh> onetom: heh. What distro are you using on that netbook of yours btw?
[14:48] <onetom> jaunty netbook remix
[14:49] <onetom> chormium
[14:49] <maxus> onetom: what are the benefits of jaunty?
[14:49] <onetom> firefox for the netbanks coz they need java
[14:49] <onetom> and gnome terminal
[14:49] <onetom> and skype
[14:49] <onetom> nothing else runs in 99% of the time
[14:49] <onetom> this is the 1st time i use buguntu
[14:50] <onetom> i used gentoo earlier
[14:50] <icedwater> onetom: Heh.
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[15:10] <icedwater> Hey, has anyone here seen/used the Asus N10Jb?
[15:10] * icedwater goes to look for reviews.
[15:13] <maxus> icedwater: how is the battery life?
[15:13] <icedwater> Found this on the product page for Asus N10JB: Windows®. Life without Walls™. ASUS recommends Windows.
[15:13] <icedwater> I wonder if I can email them to say that there can be no Windows without Walls...
[15:13] <maxus> seems like it ships with vista
[15:13] <maxus> lol
[15:14] <icedwater> It is listed as having XP Home, apparently.
[15:14] <icedwater> http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=gbeOY4yDJi2Up2Pn
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[15:16] <maxus> right, this is the new one
[15:17] <maxus> i was reading a blog about the previous model
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[15:17] <maxus> okay, why do they have so many models
[15:18] <maxus> http://www.asus.com/search.aspx?searchitem=1&searchkey=n10
[15:19] <maxus> http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=IGZ0EOQK52Q6ZOAr
[15:19] <maxus> Operating System
[15:19] <maxus> Genuine Windows Vista® Ultimate,
[15:19] <maxus> sorry
[15:19] <maxus> wrong one
[15:20] <icedwater> Hmm... OK
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[15:36] <icedwater> Which mobile broadband plan is best? (Planning to get a dongle so my mum can have network everywhere, but she's not sure of her usage.)
[15:37] <icedwater> The broadband plans are paid by the month, right? You don't have to sign a two-year contract for that?
[15:39] <ruiwen> M1's plans are unlimited i think, and not as expensive as Singtel/Starhub, but i'm not sure about how good the connectivity is
[15:40] <kelvinq> singtel's the best, imho.
[15:41] <kelvinq> used to be 5gb unlimited.
[15:41] <kelvinq> but recently they up to 50gb unlimited silently.
[15:41] <kelvinq> that should be more than enough for your mom.
[15:41] <icedwater> I'm leaning towards Starhub, because she already has a phone plan there... though I don't think they can work out an add-on and sell her the dongle for a lower price right?
[15:41] <icedwater> kelvinq: I think 1GB is more than enough for most people..
[15:42] <kelvinq> icedwater: i remember bill gates saying something to that tune too.
[15:42] <icedwater> Well, it's not been that long since I said it. :D
[15:43] <icedwater> Seriously, if you don't Youtube, and you only check your mail now and then, there's no need for more than, say, 50MB of data.
[15:43] <elfgoh> ruiwen: do you have any idea if the ticketing system by comcen has a project page somewhere?
[15:43] <icedwater> 100MB should be enough of a buffer I think?
[15:43] <icedwater> Even with relatively constant web surfing and SSH connections I've never gone above 300ish.
[15:44] <ruiwen> elfgoh: RT? i think it's internal
[15:44] <ruiwen> elfgoh: why?
[15:45] <elfgoh> ruiwen: ah not open source?
[15:45] <elfgoh> or is it open source but only internal?
[15:45] <onetom> kelvinq : wow, thats cool. i dont even have an EP, but i still have the "5G" 1Mbit 3G plan and a 4Mbit ADSL
[15:45] <ruiwen> elfgoh: oh you mean for their project itself? and not NUS's implementation?
[15:45] <onetom> however i dont even have a flat where i can use it :) does any of u want it? :)
[15:46] <ruiwen> elfgoh: it's open source.. this is it i think http://bestpractical.com/rt/
[15:46] <elfgoh> ruiwen: My boss was asking about ticketing systems. I thought Comcen developed their own?
[15:46] <ruiwen> elfgoh: hm no.. don't think it's developed internally
[15:46] <elfgoh> ruiwen: i see my bad
[15:49] <ruiwen> elfgoh: ticketing for bug reports and such?
[15:49] <elfgoh> yea
[15:50] <icedwater> elfgoh: What mobile broadband plan are you using now?
[15:50] <elfgoh> icedwater: the cheapest one from singtel
[15:51] <ruiwen> elfgoh: word of caution about trac 0.11.1, if you're considering that.. seems a bit slower than 0.10
[15:52] <ruiwen> elfgoh: also, text fields in their default schema are horribly when searching using mysql
[15:52] <ruiwen> *horribly slow
[15:56] <elfgoh> ruiwen: I see. Thanks for the tip
[16:00] <icedwater> elfgoh: That would be the Youth Plan?
[16:01] <ruiwen> elfgoh: btw, not that i'm not recommending trac, just that it takes some time to optimise and work around =)
[16:02] <elfgoh> icedwater: hmmm seems that my plan isn't around anymore
[16:03] <elfgoh> icedwater: apparently Singtel changed their price plans to suck even more $$ out of us
[16:03] <elfgoh> icedwater: but i am using a 30GB / mth
[16:03] <elfgoh> for a price of $20/mth.
[16:04] <elfgoh> Currently that price gives a 1GB /mth plan
[16:04] <elfgoh> icedwater: oops
[16:05] <elfgoh> was looking at surf on mobile
[16:05] <elfgoh> icedwater: then yea I am on 1mbps plan
[16:05] <ruiwen> elfgoh's plan still exists, but only as a dongle plan
[16:24] <icedwater> Yup, Dongle plan is what I'm looking for.
[16:35] <icedwater> inimical: In the room today?
[16:36] <inimical> icedwater: probably not anytime soon
[16:41] <icedwater> Hmm, OK.
[16:41] <icedwater> At PGP now eh?
[16:41] <inimical> yup
[16:42] <icedwater> Can we meet there, and my mum will drive us over?
[16:42] <inimical> you're lugging your hardware over?
[16:42] <inimical> oh sure
[16:42] <icedwater> Yeah. Great :)
[16:42] <inimical> saves me a shuttle bus trip yay
[16:42] <icedwater> I will be there around 5.30 heh.
[16:42] <icedwater> You were planning to go there anyway?
[16:42] <inimical> well yeah, but not till late at night
[16:42] <icedwater> Heh. OK.
[16:45] <icedwater> So, see you at 5.30 at the lobby? (Where the bus drops people off.)
[16:49] <inimical> okay
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[16:50] <icedwater> Ta :)
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[17:03] <onetom> anyone here coming to cambodia this weekend?
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[17:07] <ruiwen> not me, onetom.. it's barcamp right?
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[18:15] <onetom> ruiwen: http://barcampphnompenh.org/whos-coming/
[18:22] <maxus> onetom: I'm coming
[18:23] <maxus> coming Friday staying till Tuesday
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[18:39] <kelvinq> wooo... maxus you are going?
[18:45] <maxus> yes, kelvin, is anybody else planning to go from SG
[18:45] <maxus> except Preetam
[18:45] <maxus> :)
[18:45] <maxus> i see Mohan has signed up
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[18:46] <kelvinq> hmm... i'm trying to convince myself to go.
[18:46] <kelvinq> not many people from sg actualy.
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[18:48] <maxus> come on, join us
[18:49] <kelvinq> trying to!
[18:49] <kelvinq> life in a startup is... er... restrictive.
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[18:56] <maxus> yeah, tell me about it... I'm bringing heaps of work for my trip...
[18:58] <triplez> hmm?
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[19:06] <ruiwen> icedwater: ping
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[23:02] <elfgoh> oh hello hongphuc
[23:03] <hongphuc> hello elfgoh
[23:03] <hongphuc> we are in Sai Gon now
[23:03] <hongphuc> are you coming for GNOME asia Summit?
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[23:05] <elfgoh> hongphuc: unfortunately not. I have to be responsible at my workplace :(
[23:06] <hongphuc> elfgoh: i understand, anyway, hope you come to visit in the future
[23:06] <hongphuc> elfgoh: Vietnam is a beautiful country
[23:07] <elfgoh> hongphuc: yes I have heard. I have quite a few Vietnamese friends.
[23:08] <elfgoh> hongphuc: Also have friends telling me about their adventures in Vietnam
[23:08] <hongphuc> elfgoh: adventures?
[23:09] <hongphuc> elfgoh: what kinds?
[23:09] <elfgoh> hongphuc: one of my Singaporean friends ate Dog meat by accident in Vietnam :D
[23:10] <hongphuc> elfgoh: keke...did he like it?
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[23:10] <elfgoh> hongphuc: what kinds are there? :o
[23:10] <elfgoh> hongphuc: I am not knowledgeable in that :s
[23:11] <elfgoh> hongphuc: He thought it was quite good, until he found out that it was dog meat xD
[23:11] <elfgoh> hongphuc: and he has a pet dog at home :p
[23:12] <yq> elfgoh: hmmm cant let his dog smell his breath from now
[23:12] <elfgoh> hongphuc: btw there is barcamp at cambodia 3-4 Oct
[23:13] <yq> =P
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[23:13] <hongphuc> we r going to be there
[23:13] <hongphuc> are you?
[23:14] <elfgoh> hongphuc: can't :( too many project release milestones
[23:14] <elfgoh> Won't sleep alot tonight
[23:15] <elfgoh> hongphuc: are you still studying?
[23:15] <hongphuc> elfgoh: oh, you will not come to cambudia either?
[23:15] <hongphuc> elfgoh: I finished
[23:16] <elfgoh> hongphuc: oh! Congrats! So what is your job now?
[23:16] <elfgoh> hongphuc: well not me, but onetom will be there for barcamp cambodia.
[23:16] <elfgoh> Nov will be Singapore barcamp again
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[23:16] <hongphuc> elfgoh: onetom??
[23:17] <elfgoh> hongphuc: onetom is in the channel. He is a hungarian.
[23:17] <hongphuc> elfgoh: hm, okie
[23:18] * elfgoh wants to travel a bit.... :s
[23:18] <elfgoh> brb
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