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[1:11] <inimical> feeling hyper?
[1:12] <inimical> question: i'm thinking of clearing my hard drive and installing ubuntu on it. Can I just put it on one big partition, or do I have to create separate partitions for uh...swap (looks at netbook conversation earlier)
[1:15] <icedwater> Put it in / and /home - there should even be /usr and /opt partitions if you follow some doctrines, but I think /home is enough. And leave some swap space.
[1:15] <inimical> hm.
[1:16] <jmarki> some doctrines put /var, /boot and /home as extra partitions too
[1:16] <jmarki> but nowadays, just /home, /, and swap should do
[1:16] <inimical> what's the purpose of dividing it into multiple partitions?
[1:18] <jmarki> and also some databases, and webservers used to serve from /var
[1:18] <jmarki> /boot is for security. mount readonly after boot
[1:18] <jmarki> /var is to control logs from eating up all diskspace, thereby hanging the system
[1:18] <icedwater> Safety, so you can mess up individual filesystems :D
[1:18] <jmarki> and also some databases, and webservers used to serve from /var
[1:18] <icedwater> Wow, deja vu?
[1:18] <ruiwen> inimical: i think the most practical purpose in keeping at least /home on a separate partition is that you can wipe your OS partition (/), while still retaining your personal data (/home)
[1:19] <icedwater> It wouldn't be bootable when there's no kernel stuff to work with, but when you reinstall, it's like you never left :P
[1:19] <jmarki> /opt is for to control third party apps. and webservers tend to serve from there
[1:20] <icedwater> Look, there was an earthquake, but my /home is still standing! :D
[1:20] <icedwater> Also, I have shifted my printer, scanner, and WinXP box to the room. Ready for experimentation :D
[1:20] <icedwater> Or, we could use that as the IRC server :)
[1:21] <ruiwen> jmarki: out of curiosity, why do you serve out of /opt?
[1:21] <inimical> firing up your XP box icedwater
[1:21] <jmarki> /usr is mainly to control usr apps. some *nix put user installed apps there. and /usr/local is there
[1:21] <icedwater> If it's too much trouble to set up Yoda, that is.
[1:21] <inimical> so i can have support if i fail somewhere
[1:21] <ruiwen> heh i think yoda would be a great IRC bot
[1:21] <jmarki> ruiwen: some *nix long long time ago like to put it there. especially third party commercial apps
[1:22] <icedwater> Heh... what makes you think you can log in to my XP box?
[1:22] <inimical> i assume .exe files are useless in linux?
[1:22] <icedwater> Nope, they can be run in Wine :P
[1:22] <inimical> icedwater: i'll just format it and try out installing ubuntu on it
[1:22] <inimical> aha
[1:22] <jmarki> inimical: nope. there is wine...
[1:22] <inimical> wine aside, that is
[1:23] <icedwater> Heh, yeah... of course.
[1:23] * icedwater needs ideas for a potential hackerspace theme song :P
[1:23] <inimical> something from world of goo
[1:23] <icedwater> Or the FOSA logo. Or the FOSA website. Or my blog. Or whatever.
[1:24] * ruiwen thinks of Lady Gaga's "Pokerface", but with "Hackerspace"
[1:24] <inimical> no.
[1:24] <jmarki> i can't remember... is the linux binary format different from windows?
[1:25] <yq> theme song??????
[1:25] <yq> EYE OF THE TIGER MAN
[1:25] <ruiwen> jmarki: it's ELF on linux yes?
[1:26] <yq> eye of the coder
[1:26] <ruiwen> haha very retro yq... i like =P
[1:26] <ruiwen> hahaha
[1:26] <inimical> btw, does the ubuntu version for powerpc work on that iMac in the room?
[1:26] <yq> serious.. eye of the coders
[1:26] <ruiwen> it's probably too bloated for the iMac
[1:26] <yq> just really makes you think... whats it really like
[1:26] <icedwater> Hmm... yq: write lor, heh.
[1:26] <ruiwen> kinda bloodshot i think
[1:26] <inimical> what's the specs of that iMac?
[1:26] <icedwater> Wasn't that what we wanted to install last time out? You, rather?
[1:26] <yq> icedwater: damnn hard to write... im doing this song writing project with a friend..... fwah....
[1:27] <icedwater> Hehe yeah, I know, right?
[1:27] <ruiwen> 233 Mhz, 4 GB HDD.. not sure how much RAM
[1:27] <yq> ruiwen: yeah.. and abit cocked too
[1:27] <inimical> ...
[1:27] <ruiwen> yq: yup definitely
[1:27] <inimical> and to think you wanted to put it in the room window showing our IRC channel
[1:27] <ruiwen> icedwater: no, i was trying to install slackintosh, or at least debian ppc
[1:29] <icedwater> Oh, right.
[1:29] <ruiwen> inimical: try debian PPC on it?
[1:29] <icedwater> inimical: Just IRC and some bots isn't a problem :)
[1:29] <ruiwen> it'll survive with that, i'm sure =P
[1:29] <jmarki> ruiwen: but i vaguely remembering compiling a c program in windows, then scp it to linux to run... =/
[1:30] * inimical is trying to find a place to put the iMac
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[1:30] <icedwater> Get more people to come down to the room.
[1:30] <inimical> i was going to stick paper all over the windows btw
[1:30] <inimical> but the iMac idea is better
[1:30] <icedwater> Shift the table at the side over, that would make a good perch for the iMac.
[1:30] <ruiwen> heh leave a hole for yoda
[1:30] <icedwater> Yeah.
[1:31] <inimical> yoda?
[1:31] <icedwater> Also, I saved ngiin's bits of history.
[1:31] <ruiwen> yeah, that powerful little round green thing
[1:31] <icedwater> inimical: Well, it's small and green...
[1:31] <icedwater> And doesn't talk normally... :P
[1:31] <inimical> small, no. Has more white than green too
[1:31] <inimical> And weighs a ton
[1:32] <icedwater> Anyone used seq24 here?
[1:32] <icedwater> Or done some sort of midi sequencing on Linux?
[1:32] <inimical> shifting the table to the window would kill the room's limited real estate...i'll get a $15 stand for it or something
[1:32] <icedwater> Hmm... true, now that I think of it, it would also block the whiteboard quite nicely.
[1:33] <icedwater> How about the stand in the other corner, near the window?
[1:34] <inimical> that's better used for putting another workstation
[1:34] <inimical> not that it seems necessary hmm.
[1:35] <icedwater> Yep, isn't the iMac another workstation?
[1:35] <icedwater> You could still put the keyboard there, then swivel the screen back to face you when you need to do stuff on it.
[1:35] * inimical remembers the specs
[1:36] * inimical doesn't think that anything productive can be done on it
[1:36] <hyperair> jmarki: cross compiling c programs?
[1:37] <icedwater> As in, change the settings for display, etc.
[1:37] <icedwater> By the way, don't underestimate 233MHz/4GB.
[1:37] <inimical> ah.
[1:37] <icedwater> It should run word processors just fine. Or a midi sequencer. Or a couple of web servers. Hook up a USB drive and you can use it as a file server ... etc.
[1:37] <inimical> i know. i came from the 486 era :x
[1:38] <icedwater> Pscht, that's so new :P
[1:39] <icedwater> I remember the days I was using Wordperfect and Lotus 123 on my 286xt
[1:39] <inimical> so it is.
[1:39] <icedwater> And of course, the older guys will not be bothered to chime in any more :D
[1:39] <jmarki> hyperair: i remember my uni courses use djgpp c compiler to compile on windows. and the code must be able to run on linux... can't remember how my friends did it.
[1:40] <jmarki> maybe they scp their code to the linux servers to compile again... =/
[1:40] <hyperair> jmarki: some cross compiler or other imo.
[1:40] <hyperair> windows fails as a devel platform anyway
[1:41] <ruiwen> hyperair: <flamebait>as a devel platform? </flamebait> (sorry, couldn't resist)
[1:42] * jmarki bursts out laughing
[1:42] <inimical> obvious flamebait even without tags
[1:42] <ruiwen> heh just making sure =P
[1:43] * hyperair scratches his head, not understanding
[1:43] <icedwater> Obviously Windows is a great dev platform!
[1:43] <icedwater> Where do you think all those viruses were written?
[1:44] <hyperair> ._.
[1:44] <hyperair> you know what? you're right.
[1:44] <jmarki> so is DOS
[1:44] <hyperair> you're damn right
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[1:45] * jmarki has *some* faith *some* virus writers write their software on *nix
[1:45] <inimical> icedwater: i see your dell chassis belongs to the "notoriously hard to open" category
[1:45] <icedwater> Perhaps. There are cross-compiler kits anyway.
[1:45] <jmarki> what if they accidentally infect themselves while doing testing? =D
[1:45] <icedwater> inimical: Nah, it's easy. You just lack the skills.
[1:46] <jmarki> inimical: there should be a level/button somewhere
[1:46] <icedwater> Right-click My Computer and select Open :)
[1:46] <ruiwen> everything's easy to open with a big enough hammer =)
[1:46] <inimical> i'll figure it out eventually
[1:46] <hyperair> icedwater++
[1:46] <inimical> the button to open the chassis apparently does nothing
[1:46] <jmarki> inimical: eh? press and pull the cover open?
[1:46] <icedwater> Might have been dislocated while moving. It worked fine for me before.
[1:46] <icedwater> Yeah, you have to press and pull.
[1:47] <jmarki> that chassis can't be *that* old. the ones with weird configurations are in the pentium 3 era
[1:48] <icedwater> Don't worry, it took me a while to figure out the first time too. Think you need to pull the bottom the other way a bit.
[1:48] <inimical> i prefer chassises (word) held together with screws instead of levers
[1:48] <inimical> the bottom? what?
[1:48] <hyperair> inimical: i like the screwless ones.
[1:48] <jmarki> inimical: which dell model?
[1:48] <hyperair> inimical: they don't need you to cart a toolbox everywhere you go
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[1:48] <inimical> i dunno, it's a rig with p4+HT
[1:49] <inimical> hyperair: i always have a screwdriver handy
[1:49] <hyperair> inimical: that's because you always have a few screws loose =D
[1:49] <hyperair> i don't
[1:49] * hyperair hides
[1:49] * jmarki was resisting saying that
[1:50] <jmarki> rotfl
[1:50] <inimical> let me get this chassis open first. rawr.
[1:50] <hyperair> =p
[1:52] <jmarki> inimical: the old dell chassis hinges are at the front. the entire chassis swings open into a 'V'
[1:53] <inimical> yeah, i figured
[1:53] <jmarki> and there were 2 buttons
[1:53] <inimical> got it open finally
[1:53] <jmarki> and we humans have only 2 hands
[1:53] <inimical> there's one button at the bottom apparently
[1:54] * jmarki hurrays! inimical may have 3 hands!
[1:54] <jmarki> =p
[1:54] <inimical> btw icedwater: why does your computer have 2 sound cards
[1:54] <icedwater> Uhhh.. what?
[1:54] <inimical> jmarki: that's what screwdrivers are for
[1:54] <inimical> adding the extra hand
[1:55] <inimical> don't tell me you never noticed yourself having 2 soundcards
[1:55] <inimical> i figured it out though so it's okay
[1:55] <icedwater> Are you sure they are soundcards?
[1:55] <icedwater> :P
[1:55] <inimical> well...one's integrated and one's in the pci slot
[1:56] <icedwater> I only looked inside once... to reset a jumper when I forgot the BIOS password or something.
[1:56] <inimical> your bios has a password?
[1:56] * hyperair believes sound cards are a waste of time. the inbuilt ones are awesome enough
[1:56] <inimical> !support hyperair
[1:56] <icedwater> I think that's the default setup, the integrated might already be there but they supplied another with the harman kardons.
[1:57] * jmarki recalls the old creative sound cards in the P4 days...
[1:57] <inimical> i have to haul my pentium d here sometime
[1:57] <sng> "in the P4 days".
[1:57] <jmarki> WHAHAHAHAHAH
[1:58] <inimical> wasn't all too long ago
[1:58] <sng> My lawn. Let me show you the way off. :)
[1:58] <jmarki> omg...
[1:58] <inimical> like...4,5 years?
[1:58] <icedwater> My P4 days were about 15 years ago...
[1:58] <sng> icedwater: That is a lie.
[1:58] <inimical> icedwater: o rly.
[1:58] <icedwater> sng: Here, 4th grade is called Primary 4...
[1:59] <sng> icedwater: OK.
[1:59] <sng> :)
[1:59] <icedwater> See, I didn't cake.
[1:59] <icedwater> Err, lie.
[2:00] <inimical> let's see what's in icedwater's hard drive...
[2:00] <jmarki> omg... P4... the days of 5" floppies and lemmings on DOS... good old days
[2:00] <ruiwen> goodnight guys
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[2:00] <icedwater> Night :)
[2:00] <inimical> jmarki: i still have a stack of those, and a working 5.4" drive to boot
[2:01] <sng> 5.4" bah.
[2:01] <icedwater> Yeah, lemmings rock!
[2:01] <jmarki> inimical: clone the harddisk first!! then we can dig around for interesting tibits
[2:01] <sng> New fangeled tech.
[2:01] <inimical> sorry, 5.25
[2:01] <inimical> !!
[2:01] <jmarki> inimical: how do you know the drive is working?
[2:01] <icedwater> One of these days, jmarki, I'm heading round to your company with a large magnet...
[2:01] <inimical> because i have a 486 connected to it
[2:01] <sng> I have a stack of 8 inchers someplace.
[2:01] <sng> Or used to.
[2:02] * jmarki have never seen an 8" floppy
[2:02] <inimical> that's got to be er...huge
[2:02] <sng> inimical: Eight inches to be exact.
[2:03] <icedwater> Heh.
[2:03] <inimical> sng: reminds me of dinner plates
[2:04] <jmarki> icedwater: magnets don't really work, you know?
[2:04] <inimical> a degausser would work well
[2:07] <icedwater> jmarki: I'm sure they will work fine when I use them to smash your LCD monitors.
[2:08] <jmarki> icedwater: well, we are getting a secure destruction company to cart all our old harddisks for incineration. "with armoured trucks"
[2:08] <jmarki> =D
[2:08] <icedwater> Nice.
[2:08] <jmarki> $300/garbage bin...
[2:09] <inimical> icedwater: your hard drive does work right?
[2:11] <icedwater> Yup.
[2:11] <inimical> okay my enclosure can't handle IDE drives well apparently...
[2:11] <icedwater> Did you not try to see if it booted before taking it out?
[2:12] <inimical> it did
[2:12] <icedwater> Yup, that's good then.
[2:12] <inimical> !remind me in 5 hours to buy a new 3.5" hard drive enclosure
[2:12] <icedwater> Because the last time I booted it was quite a while back, so at least you're more updated :D
[2:12] <icedwater> Drop the \!
[2:12] <inimical> the what?
[2:12] <inimical> oops
[2:13] <inimical> remind me in 5 hours to buy a new 3.5" hard drive enclosure
[2:13] <mirjam> inimical: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Wed Sep 30 07:13:04 SGT 2009
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[2:39] <inimical> icedwater: your rig is really quiet
[2:40] <icedwater> Maybe it's not working? :P
[2:40] <inimical> no, i'm using it
[2:40] <inimical> one of my external hard drives generates more noise working normally
[2:40] <icedwater> I programmed the monitor's inbuilt processor to simulate a working system :P
[2:41] <inimical> icedwater: don't tempt me to use internet memes :D
[2:41] <icedwater> Go on, go on.
[2:42] <inimical> Cool story bro.
[2:42] <inimical> also, i'm not using your dell's monitor :P
[2:43] <icedwater> :P
[2:44] <icedwater> Incidentally, vodka ribena is not too bad :D
[2:44] <inimical> that's so random. Where did you drink it?
[2:45] <inimical> alright, spill the beans. Which account is an Administrator, and what's the password?
[2:45] <jmarki> inimical: windows?
[2:45] <inimical> yes, icedwater's windows
[2:46] <jmarki> http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=239
[2:46] <jmarki> nvm.... try ntpasswd
[2:46] <jmarki> =p
[2:47] <icedwater> inimical: I made it, of course.
[2:47] <icedwater> inimical: I thought you were going to format it?
[2:47] <inimical> not just yet...gonna dig a little
[2:47] <inimical> :D
[2:48] <jmarki> inimical: you really don't know how to snoop. clone the harddisk first, then format it. snoop at your leisure later. =D
[2:48] <jmarki> tsk tsk
[2:48] <jmarki> forensics 101
[2:49] <inimical> i was going to do that, but my external enclosure doesn't accept IDE drives
[2:49] <inimical> what would you suggest?
[2:49] * inimical is as interested in icedwater's data as jmarki
[2:49] <jmarki> livecd?
[2:49] <inimical> and store the cloned image on?
[2:50] <icedwater> Yeah, you can boot a liveCD and mount the drives, then copy stuff to a USB stick.
[2:50] <jmarki> the harddisk which had your external enclosure?
[2:50] <inimical> testing
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[2:50] <jmarki> sorry, harddisk originally in your external enclosure?
[2:51] <inimical> does hiren's bootcd have something to clone drives?
[2:51] <jmarki> a lot...
[2:51] <inimical> alright
[2:51] <inimical> tell you when it's done :P
[2:51] <jmarki> hiren is not opensource! and is windows/dos based
[2:51] <jmarki> =(
[2:52] <inimical> as linus torvalds once said, we use the best tools for the job :D
[2:52] <jmarki> best tool == system rescue cd
[2:52] <jmarki> =p
[2:52] <inimical> okay, you got me there :/
[2:55] <icedwater> You've got hiren's boot CD? I must have seen that somewhere before... got a link to it?
[2:55] <inimical> bing it :D
[2:55] <inimical> http://www.hirensbootcd.net/
[2:55] <icedwater> Bing :(
[2:56] * icedwater goes to sleep. Up in 4-5 hours for more levelling, some coding and reading perhaps.
[2:56] <inimical> that's a fan download site btw, author's site is at www.hiren.info
[2:56] <inimical> levelling on?
[2:56] <jmarki> inimical: can't download from hiren.info
[2:57] <inimical> that's the author's site
[2:58] <icedwater> inimical: http://www.aardwolf.com :)
[2:59] <inimical> whoa...this reminds me of text games played through telnet
[2:59] <icedwater> Hmm.. it is.
[2:59] <jmarki> icedwater: how do you remember your map?
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[3:00] <icedwater> There's an ascii-art map for when I feel like checking it... shows the surrounding 5x5 or so, depending on walls and closed doors
[3:00] <icedwater> But usually I know my way around from experience.. reading the room descriptions helps :)
[3:00] <jmarki> ahh
[3:01] <icedwater> Also, I've been playing for 10 years or so now, with 1-2 years break in between.
[3:01] <inimical> i used to play something like this...couldn't get out of the starting area
[3:01] * inimical has horrible mental maps
[3:01] <icedwater> Content has changed quite a lot, and it's still evolving.
[3:01] <icedwater> inimical: I'm a helper there, if you ever want to sign up let me know :)
[3:02] <inimical> if i ever get THAT bored, yeah :D
[3:03] <icedwater> It's actually pretty good... most of the development is done by one guy in his spare time, we just suggest stuff and he has a team of Immortals to help admin the game.
[3:04] <jmarki> how many players on average?
[3:04] <icedwater> He recently set up a bugtracker that's linked to the in-game forum system which he's also revamping (it's on the to-do list at any rate.)
[3:04] <icedwater> Well, there are typically 200-400 players online, of which I would expect 70% or so to be active?
[3:04] <icedwater> Single server in a datacentre.
[3:04] <jmarki> wah... any idea about the hardware specs and load? =p
[3:05] <icedwater> Heh, I could ask next time :P But I don't really know.
[3:05] <jmarki> ahh.... help me ask? that's interesting...
[3:05] <icedwater> Actually, I could probably ask now :)
[3:10] <jmarki> cool... =p
[3:11] <icedwater> OK, left him a note, since he doesn't seem to be online.
[3:11] <icedwater> 3pm at Florida now, so he's probably at work.
[3:11] <jmarki> okay... thanks!
[3:12] * icedwater goes to sleep...
[3:12] <jmarki> tata
[3:12] <icedwater> Oh wait.. do you have any other questions? :P
[3:13] <jmarki> me go sleep too
[3:13] <icedwater> Hehe OK
[3:13] <jmarki> nay... that's the most interesting part...
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[3:15] <inimical> ah, i'll fiddle with icedwater's rig some other time
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[7:13] <mirjam> inimical: You asked me to remind you to buy a new 3.5" hard drive enclosure
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[9:56] <ruiwen> good morning all
[9:58] <triplez_cell> good morning.
[9:58] <triplez_cell> you seem to be in a good mood.
[9:59] <ruiwen> i do?
[9:59] <triplez> yes you do
[9:59] <ruiwen> just because i wished everyone good morning? =)
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[10:01] <triplez> :P
[10:03] <ruiwen> anyone using Singtel's paperless billing?
[10:03] <sng> Yes.
[10:03] <sng> Somebody is.
[10:03] <sng> Somewhere.
[10:04] <ruiwen> i should rephrase then, anybody *in this channel* using Singtel paperless billing? =P
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[10:06] <onetom> ruiwen: i am
[10:07] <ruiwen> onetom: cool, do they send you email/sms to remind you to go check your bill? or do you have to remember to go check each month?
[10:07] <onetom> both
[10:08] <ruiwen> as in both email and sms?
[10:08] <onetom> 1st sms tells u the amount, the 2nd just reminds that u have a few days left
[10:08] <onetom> yes, email n sms
[10:09] <ruiwen> onetom: ah ok, thanks thanks
[10:10] <ruiwen> was considering using the service
[10:10] <onetom> i pay them thru posb
[10:10] <onetom> but i cant trasnfer from my citibank to my posb...
[10:10] <onetom> and i cant pay them from citibank directly
[10:11] <ruiwen> they don't take citibank?
[10:11] <onetom> and i receive my salary to the citibank acc of course..
[10:11] <ruiwen> GIRO?
[10:11] <onetom> u
[10:12] <onetom> u have to establish some contract between the 2 banks 1st or stg
[10:13] <ruiwen> ic
[10:13] <onetom> and i couldfailed to do itelectronically
[10:13] <onetom> and i was lazy to show up personally for exevery fucking payee at their office..
[10:13] <onetom> ce
[10:14] <ruiwen> do you use GIRO for your Singtel bill onetom?
[10:14] <onetom> my connection was lagging 2 senteces :) -- i stopped downloading house in the background ;)
[10:14] <onetom> thae later i suspect
[10:15] <onetom> there is a pay bills menu on the posb netbank interface
[10:15] <onetom> it would be a great help if u could help me paying from my citibank acc...
[10:15] <onetom> but now i have to pai ab nahm
[10:16] <onetom> go shower -- my wife just gave me an angry look :)
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[10:22] <ruiwen> grr. singtel doesn't accept the +tags in an email address =(
[10:35] <onetom> why is it so important? u can filter them anyway (on serverside too)
[10:36] <onetom> or is there any automatic filtering based on these +tags?
[10:36] <ruiwen> onetom: no there isn't, i just wanted to see if singtel would redistribute my email elsewhere
[10:36] <onetom> aah! :) good trick
[10:37] <onetom> from their side too.. they dontt allow addresses with tracker devices attached :)
[10:44] <ruiwen> perhaps, or they just never considered that "+" is a valid character in an email address
[10:45] <onetom> i would bet on that on too
[10:46] <onetom> >> type? +asd@x
[10:46] <onetom> == email!
[10:47] <onetom> thats my favourite validator ;) -- the rebol itself
[10:48] <ruiwen> rebol eh? is the +asd@x part some regex-y thing?
[10:49] <onetom> no, the above says that the datatype of +asd@x is email address
[10:50] <onetom> since it is recognized as such by its language parser
[10:58] <ini_> good morning
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[11:03] <elfgoh> Hello ra
[11:03] <elfgoh> Hello ras
[11:05] <icedwater> How does the asd work though?
[11:06] <onetom> icedwater: r u talking to me? -- a'la robert de'niro ;)
[11:07] <icedwater> You talking to me?
[11:07] <dqminh> has anyone seen any of our new members on IRC in the last few days ? :p
[11:08] <icedwater> I don't know, they don't have recognisable nicks do they?
[11:08] <inimical> dqminh: don't think so
[11:08] <dqminh> hmm, its ok. They all have mid-term I think
[11:09] <triplez> dqminh: boo!!!!!!
[11:09] <dqminh> inimical: midterm ended ?
[11:09] <ruiwen> dqminh: i ran into angad at the bus stop yesterday, he said he'll pop by
[11:09] <inimical> 2 more papers
[11:10] <inimical> easy ones though
[11:10] <inimical> introduction to programming in java... :D
[11:10] <dqminh> ruiwen: yup, angad sent me a mail yesterday too I think
[11:10] <dqminh> inimical: free this Saturday ?
[11:11] <elfgoh> dqminh: so 5 new coreteam members in all this year?
[11:11] <inimical> dqminh: i have to go back to my hometown though, some family matters
[11:11] <elfgoh> dqminh: the others did not respond?
[11:11] <dqminh> elfgoh: there are some others who cannot come last Saturday
[11:11] <dqminh> I sent another email to them to call for another meeting
[11:11] <elfgoh> dqminh: i see
[11:12] <dqminh> probably this weekend
[11:12] <elfgoh> dqminh: will be good to plan a calendar of events for SoC for purpose of budgeting..
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[11:12] <icedwater> Yeah, let me know so I can try to crash it.
[11:12] <icedwater> Calendar of events for SoC? Why?
[11:13] <elfgoh> (Calendar of linuxnus events) for SoC
[11:13] <icedwater> Ah, right.
[11:14] <inimical> i'll go draw up something on docs
[11:19] <ruiwen> coreteam: see recent mail on hackfest venue thread.. thoughts?
[11:20] <dqminh> ruiwen: will we still be able to use the venue without Harish's presence ?
[11:21] <ruiwen> i hope so, will need to mail.. but his mail does indicate that that's the case, if somewhat not ideal
[11:21] <ruiwen> but importantly, do we still want it on the 10th?
[11:22] <dqminh> i'm fine with any date
[11:22] <dqminh> and there's nwo only 1 response on the FB event page, we havent sent it to our ML and publish on website
[11:22] <dqminh> so i think its fine
[11:30] <icedwater> Hm, OK. How about a change in venue?
[11:30] <icedwater> I wonder if it's possible to get the NEC though...
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[11:31] <icedwater> Would be nice, since it's above the clubroom.
[11:31] <ruiwen> still think NEC is abit too out of the way for a public hackfest though
[11:31] <icedwater> True true.
[11:31] <icedwater> But - put it there and they will come.
[11:31] <ruiwen> i think it's possible to carry on on the 10th.. just need to ask harish about arrangements
[11:32] <icedwater> ruiwen: All our hackfests have been public, we had a pretty good attendance for the one that ended up at Arts Canteen right?
[11:32] <ruiwen> not entirely i think, only those who are really interested
[11:32] <ruiwen> icedwater: which was only our people..
[11:32] <icedwater> Still a large turnout. I wouldn't say ziyong, honcheng and jeff are *our people*
[11:33] <icedwater> And Ahmad also came down... despite not being involved in coreteam for some time...
[11:33] <icedwater> How many turned up for the AR hackfest, by the way?
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[11:34] <icedwater> !seen filePeter
[11:34] <megan_> I last saw filePeter on Fri Sep 25 23:57:18 2009.
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[11:35] <ruiwen> icedwater: "our people" as in close personal friends and such
[11:36] <icedwater> Yeah... OK fair enough.
[11:36] <ruiwen> icedwater: i think it would be better if hackfest attendance went beyond our personal clique
[11:36] <icedwater> Of course, of course. But where else then? Sure Redhat is good to go?
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[11:37] <ruiwen> so yeah, if we wanna continue on the 10th, will need to work out the logistic arrangements with harish
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[12:15] <onetom> icedwater: i think there were 10+ ppl
[12:15] <onetom> in rotation
[12:17] <icedwater> I see.
[12:18] <onetom> or u want them name by name?
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[12:20] <onetom> like at the history exam:
[12:20] <icedwater> Heh, no worries, just wanted to gauge the attendance :)
[12:20] <icedwater> 10+ is not bad, really.
[12:20] <onetom> teacher: could u tell us about the victims of the 2nd world war?
[12:21] <onetom> student: well, 32 million ppl died during the course of it
[12:21] <icedwater> First, there was...
[12:21] <onetom> teacher: okay, this one everybody knows, but for a mark 5 ... by name? :)
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[12:29] <icedwater> Only 5, eh. Should be 50 on a scale of 1 to 5 :P
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[13:46] <yq> ruiwen:
[13:49] <icedwater> yq:
[13:49] <yq> er?
[13:50] <yq> ure with icedwater ?
[13:50] <yq> ruiwen: ok. i found what i needed =P sorry to have bothered u
[13:50] <icedwater> Nope lol. Just disturbing you :P
[13:50] <icedwater> Where are you now anyway?
[13:58] <yq> i am home =)
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[14:05] <icedwater> Which is eastside if I recall?
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[14:11] <yq> yeap yeap kembangan area
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[14:30] <ruiwen> yq: paiseh was at lunch
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[14:32] <yq> ruiwen: np. found what i needed =P
[14:33] <yq> ruiwen: lunch on friday? im going school to get smthing signed
[14:34] <ruiwen> ooh this friday is 3 oct hor
[14:34] <ruiwen> got a nus startups lunch leh
[14:34] <ruiwen> wanna go?
[14:35] <yq> ruiwen: ah haha am i one of the startups ? =P
[14:35] <yq> yeah definitely
[14:35] <ruiwen> heh are you not?
[14:36] <ruiwen> you're in a startup in nus right?
[14:36] <yq> hah i think i am
[14:36] <yq> but heard no wind of it
[14:36] <ruiwen> but yeah it's not official
[14:36] <ruiwen> just something wenhan is organising i think
[14:36] <yq> anyway im getting a shared space beside linuxNUS room
[14:36] <ruiwen> haha yay
[14:36] <yq> =( no private room
[14:36] <ruiwen> ah wait
[14:36] <ruiwen> shared space?
[14:36] <ruiwen> as in shared with other companies?
[14:36] <yq> yea
[14:37] <ruiwen> oh ok.. not so yay
[14:37] <yq> im not sure if thats the new format
[14:37] <ruiwen> sharing with whom?
[14:37] <yq> errr alot?
[14:37] <yq> the admin mentioned is a huge space...
[14:37] <ruiwen> hm strange
[14:37] <yq> quite disgusting
[14:37] <ruiwen> haha open concept eh
[14:37] <yq> yeah 20 tables/chairs
[14:37] <yq> i've heard one of the prof saying that this might be the format to go
[14:38] <yq> im just not too sure if they are really doing it to encourage sharing
[14:38] <yq> or just to cramp as much into little spaces...
[14:38] <ruiwen> yq: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/event.php?eid=153880628972&index=1
[14:39] <ruiwen> a little bit of both i guess
[14:39] <ruiwen> perhaps a little of the co-working concept
[14:40] <icedwater> Heh.
[14:40] <yq> orh heh
[14:40] <yq> i fail the criterea
[14:40] <yq> not funded yet =P
[14:40] <yq> can i fund myself then go ?haha
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[14:41] <icedwater> I give you funding :P $0.10
[14:42] <yq> yay!
[14:42] <ruiwen> haha they didn't say funded by whom right?
[14:42] <yq> funded by icedwater
[14:42] <ruiwen> btw, coreteam, do we have a decision as to whether or not to hold hackfest on the 10th?
[14:43] <icedwater> Good to go :)
[14:46] <yq> im up for it too
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[15:53] <yq> is it possible to have different workspaces with different set of desktop icons?
[15:55] <ruiwen> not that i know of yq
[15:55] <yq> hrmmm
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[17:17] <icedwater> Just booted up the ISO for Chrome OS :P Playing around with it.
[17:18] <icedwater> It seems to be a custom openSUSE build, but I guess that's just because it's made with suseStudio :P
[17:24] <ruiwen> icedwater: yeah from the looks of it, it's just suse with chrome stuck on it
[17:24] <icedwater> Yup.
[17:26] <icedwater> Nothing else remarkable I guess, except that it starts Chrome immediately after booting.
[17:33] <icedwater> And it looks nice only in 800x600, I guess the other resolution's images hadn't been packaged yet.
[17:33] <icedwater> Brb, going to linuxmode.
[17:37] <icedwater> Back ... ooh this font is pretty :D
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[18:31] <elfgoh> Did anyone experience an earthquake?
[18:32] <elfgoh> I am at home now... but my colleagues in office experienced something...
[18:32] <ziroday> elfgoh: was that what it was? I just thought I was going insane
[18:32] <elfgoh> ziroday: yea could be... and i thought my chair was vibrating a bit
[18:33] <ziroday> elfgoh: straitstimes.com has nothing
[18:33] <ziroday> twitter!
[18:33] <elfgoh> ziroday: it just happened
[18:34] <ziroday> yay its not just me
[18:34] <ziroday> alexischeong 7.9 sumatran earthquake woots. tremors in SG. why isnt CNA website loading??
[18:34] <ziroday> woops, didn't mean to copy all of that
[18:35] <ziroday> hmm supposedly there is a tsunami warning, but I have a feeling we're safe
[18:40] <icedwater> Nothing for me.
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[19:31] <triplez_cell> hello.
[19:34] <jarick> Hihi!
[19:36] <triplez_cell> yawn.
[19:46] <dwu> yawn to you too, mobile triplez.
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[20:19] <triplez_cell> heh.
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[20:30] <dwu> gragh :)
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[22:51] <triplez_cell> yo yo
[23:01] <cyberjames> high
[23:01] <cyberjames> s/high/hi
[23:02] <triplez_cell> yawn.
[23:02] <triplez_cell> is anyone around.
[23:03] <triplez_cell> is ruiwen there?
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[23:11] <triplez_cell> hello yq
[23:12] <yq> triplez_cell: hey whatsup
[23:12] <yq> travelling?
[23:13] <ruiwen> triplez_cell: hey
[23:13] <ruiwen> triplez_cell: sorry, was away a while, and will be afk for a while more
[23:13] <ruiwen> triplez_cell: anything urgent?
[23:14] <triplez_cell> nope.
[23:14] <triplez_cell> just want to tell you about scape
[23:14] <jmarki> win... nus exchange email seems to have more outages than my single server email infrastructure...
[23:15] <triplez_cell> ruiwen: remind me to tell you about it later.
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