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[0:23] <icedwater> ngiin: Long time no see.
[0:23] <icedwater> ziroday: How's school?
[0:23] <icedwater> inimical: Free tomorrow?
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[0:23] <icedwater> wywen: hyperair: Coming on Saturday?
[0:23] <icedwater> s/Com/Go/
[0:24] <icedwater> I probably won't be able to meet you guys as I will be visiting my family friend in the evening.
[0:25] <icedwater> patrickhaller: Is the hackerspace thing moving along fine? I kind of read that you'll be dtached for a bit, no?
[0:26] <icedwater> !seen filePeter
[0:26] <megan_> I last saw filePeter on Fri Sep 25 23:57:18 2009.
[0:26] <icedwater> moofang: What's on your schedule tomorrow?
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[0:26] <icedwater> jamestyj: What time is it now in .de? I keep messing up the DST stuff.
[0:27] <moofang> icedwater: eh? well, morning to night in mai kubikul? :(
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[0:29] <hyperair> icedwater: what's on saturday
[0:33] <dwu> sat?
[0:39] * hyperair pokes icedwater
[0:39] <hyperair> away
[0:39] <hyperair> er shit
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[0:42] <icedwater> hyperair: Heh, what.
[0:43] <icedwater> dwu: Supper is still overwhelmingly likely, we could meet at 11.
[0:43] <icedwater> moofang: wyche kubikul?
[0:44] <moofang> icedwater: awl der vay at Changi Business Park, eentuhnsheepz
[0:44] <icedwater> hyperair: Did Gui De not mention there could be an NTUOSS/linuxNUS meeting on Saturday at around 6pm?
[0:46] <inimical> icedwater: going back home unfortunately
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[0:53] <icedwater> Dang, I think I asked earlier.
[0:53] <icedwater> /ignore moofang
[0:53] <icedwater> Hmm.
[0:53] <icedwater> moofang: What company are you interning with? *applies normalEnglish filter*
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[0:55] <moofang> icedwater: IBM
[0:59] <ruiwen> icedwater: you meeting yuen jien on monday?
[0:59] <icedwater> I was hoping to meet him tomorrow, will drop by NUS to see if he's about.
[0:59] <icedwater> Monday might be a bit tight for me.
[1:00] <hyperair> icedwater: oh. right. that. where/when exactly?
[1:00] <icedwater> I'll swing down to the German Embassy, see if my visa's ready, then head back to NUS to hang out a ittle.
[1:00] <hyperair> i'm arriving in singapore at ~6pm
[1:00] <icedwater> hyperair: Ask Gui De? Oh hmm. Wow. Or dqminh.
[1:00] <hyperair> then i'll have to drop my things off in my room.
[1:00] <icedwater> I'm not going to be there 6ish but if people are showing up early I could possibly say hi.
[1:01] <hyperair> i see
[1:01] * hyperair brb.
[1:01] <ruiwen> icedwater: is dqminh or any other current coreteam going with you?
[1:03] <icedwater> Nope, it's really short notice, I couldn't get back to Yuen Jien within office hours as I was giving tuition ... and had a dinner thing afterward so I only replied to him at 10+ or 11. No one on the coreteam has responded, I think.
[1:03] <ruiwen> icedwater: to the mail you sent at 23:45?
[1:04] <icedwater> Was it sent at 23:45? Hmm... I thought I sent that earlier. Crap.
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[1:04] <ruiwen> icedwater: well my gmail says so anyway
[1:05] <icedwater> That's odd, yeah, so does mine.
[1:05] <ruiwen> icedwater: all the same, probably good if you can drag at least one of them along, since they'll probably be the ones doing most of the liaising in the end
[1:05] <icedwater> I sent it way before I drafted the response to him (on which I didn't CC you guys, silly me.) but somehow the order got verschieben.
[1:05] <icedwater> Yeah.
[1:05] <icedwater> I've not !seen dqminh.
[1:05] <ruiwen> you'll have the translate "verschieben" unfortunately
[1:06] <icedwater> Shifted.
[1:07] <ruiwen> well one thing i've learnt from elfgoh, sms/call if irc/email doesn't work =)
[1:07] <ruiwen> i see him on GTalk anyway
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[1:12] <icedwater> Yeah, I did think of that. I was just hoping to be less intrusive, since it is 1am.
[1:13] <icedwater> By convention calling should be done at saner hours, though it would be reasonable, to me at least, to have IRC on at most times.
[1:13] <icedwater> Or something less intrusive, along those lines.
[1:14] <icedwater> Incidentally, the supplied USB cable is enough to tether the Magic to any laptop and provide 3/3.5G access, right?
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[1:19] <ruiwen> icedwater: there's the option in settings, but i've not tried it
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[1:30] <icedwater> Hm, OK.
[1:39] <ruiwen> anyone have a thoughts on how to get google sites to be editable outside the domain it's hosted on?
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[1:39] <ruiwen> eg. if i have a site hosted on linuxnus.org, but want an account @gmail.com to be able to edit it?
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[1:40] <jmarki> ruiwen: every file? or specific files?
[1:40] <icedwater> Hm. You have to add that email... I didn't do it myself, but my @gmail.com account was allowed to edit the Google Site for my FYP.
[1:40] <ruiwen> jmarki: ah, the google sites
[1:41] <ruiwen> icedwater: hm yeah i thought so, but after adding the account it's still unable to edit the site
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[1:41] <jmarki> ruiwen: invite that account?
[1:42] <ruiwen> jmarki: yup invited
[1:45] <icedwater> Hmm. Change the settings for that account, somehow?
[1:45] <ruiwen> oh strange. now i can
[1:46] <icedwater> Hmm... cache issues?
[1:46] <ruiwen> but very convoluted way of getting there
[1:46] <ruiwen> no.. i had to go to sites.linuxnus.org first, select "sign in with a different account", sign in, and only then could i edit
[1:46] <icedwater> How did you ... hmm
[1:46] <ruiwen> simply clicking on the link in the invite email didn't work
[1:47] <icedwater> Sign in with the invited account?
[1:47] <jmarki> ruiwen: http://sites.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=90594
[1:47] <icedwater> File a bug report with Google, perhaps...
[1:47] <ruiwen> yup seen that jmarki
[1:47] <ruiwen> icedwater: good point
[1:47] <jmarki> http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=90919
[1:48] <ruiwen> yup and been through those too
[1:49] <jmarki> ruiwen: then maybe it's yet another google apps synchronisation issue
[1:49] <ruiwen> jmarki: i've managed to get it to edit
[1:50] <jmarki> but you had to go to another user to do that? and that user was already authorised to share?
[1:50] <jmarki> as in authorised way before this?
[1:50] <ruiwen> jmarki: no i had to manually login at sites.linuxnus.org using the account that the site was shared with, despite being already logged in with that account in gmail
[1:51] <jmarki> ahh....
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[3:16] <patrickhaller> icedwater: am in NZ until Sat evening, so yeah, am detached until then ;)
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[4:32] <icedwater> Nods.
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[10:52] <ruiwen> !twitter Hivelogic's Top 10 Programming Fonts [http://is.gd/3RlL4] [Hivelogic.com]
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[12:07] <yq> ruiwen1: let me know when u are ready man~
[12:09] <ruiwen1> yq: ok
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[12:41] <elfgoh> hello div
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[13:36] <div> hey
[13:36] <div> sry was afk
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[14:05] <iced|qweb> Hmm... no one around from the active coreteam?
[14:06] * iced|qweb heads to NUS to meet Soo Yuen Jien first...
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[14:14] <elfgoh> Gosh another boring but busy day rolls by
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[14:15] <yq> nusopen is crap..
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[14:17] <anything> mr elfgoh r u around?
[14:18] <elfgoh> anything: yes good afternoon
[14:18] <anything> ah.... nice
[14:18] <elfgoh> anything i can do for you?
[14:18] <anything> i wanna explore a community based concept to do my marketing need some of ur insights
[14:19] <elfgoh> anything: ok... taking about marketing, seen starhub's tweetatreasure yet?
[14:19] <anything> ya man.... its like... eeeeeee... to us
[14:22] <anything> what do u think of sites like gamer dna?
[14:22] <anything> izzit possible to run something like that?
[14:22] <elfgoh> anything: I haven't seen that before... let me take a look
[14:24] <anything> ok... anyway its basically like twitter for a specific market
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[14:26] <elfgoh> anything: it sounds like a social network for gamers
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[14:26] <elfgoh> based on the wikipedia entry
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[14:27] <anything> elfgoh: wikipedia entry?
[14:27] <anything> elgoh: how u know?
[14:27] <elfgoh> anything: as in the wikipedia page on gamer dna
[14:29] <elfgoh> anything: I am new to this. So this is an elevator analysis. Why would the end user want to get onto another social network, instead of having gamer dna functionality in a FB app?
[14:29] <elfgoh> assuming the end user already has a facebook account
[14:30] <anything> elfgoh: my main question would be y would anyone want to go on gamerdna if u guys as the community managers r promoting the online games very well already
[14:31] <anything> elfgoh: all games go community features, so i don't understand y they can work
[14:33] <anything> elfgoh: looking at what they are doing their basically targeting consoles... which don't have strong communities
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[14:36] <elfgoh> anything: well I don't have an answer
[14:36] <elfgoh> Is gamer dna new?
[14:36] <anything> since 2006
[14:37] <anything> elfgoh: i'm thinking how to implement something like that for the local scenes
[14:38] <anything> elfgoh: but if its geared towards mmo its hard, since got so many clan sites, etc...
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[14:40] <anything> elfgoh: if something was done base on exploits in the games, u think there'll be a community?
[14:41] <anything> elfgoh: or don't make it sound so bad, basically user generated content on tricks in online games
[14:41] <elfgoh> anything: lol
[14:42] <elfgoh> anything: better to make it "user strategies"
[14:42] <anything> elfgoh: that would be fun.. haha... since gamers r always looking for exploits
[14:42] <elfgoh> anything: it might work as long as the focus is on content with depth
[14:43] <anything> elfgoh: basically i want to using this as a concept to generate a large user database..
[14:44] <anything> elfgoh: content with depth basically user strategies
[14:44] <anything> elfgoh: as in a term to make it sound beautiful?
[14:44] <elfgoh> anything: yes, that's what I think
[14:45] <anything> elfgoh: cool! getting tweeter as the engine would be nice..
[14:46] <elfgoh> anything: But how would you overcome the challenge of pulling users from existing gaming communities of that game?
[14:46] <elfgoh> No doubt these will have elements of user strategies already
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[14:46] <anything> elfgoh: google app engine process, twitter store data...
[14:47] <anything> elfgoh: need to think of a good market strategy...
[14:47] <elfgoh> #tweetagamer
[14:48] <elfgoh> ;)
[14:48] <anything> elfgoh: basically what u said is a very good stickiness factor already
[14:48] <anything> elfgoh: already got tweet my gaming
[14:49] <anything> elfgoh: so tech stuff basically is free already
[14:50] <elfgoh> anything: I was suggesting to do something similar to the tweetatreasure treasure hunt campaign
[14:52] <anything> elfgoh: tweetatreasure is good for a start, i think the main goal is to eventually own the users so that there's more leverage when seeking corporate collaborations
[14:52] <elfgoh> anything: replays could be another selling point. Good replays of course
[14:52] <anything> elfgoh: replays for mmo?
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[14:53] <elfgoh> anything: was talking about replays in general.
[14:54] <anything> elfgoh: say if the focus is on mmo?
[14:54] <anything> elfgoh: or online games in general
[14:55] <anything> elfgoh: i know pc based games a lot of replays
[14:57] <elfgoh> anything: I was thinking of having a tool/way to capture significant game climaxes/milestones. and then have this available as a high res video instead of low res youtube replays
[14:57] <elfgoh> Thought this might not necessary be applicable to all games
[14:59] <anything> elfgoh: you know xfire?
[14:59] <anything> elfgoh: its a chat software for games... i know its abit dumb, most games got chat feature
[14:59] <elfgoh> anything: nope just learnt about it
[14:59] <anything> elfgoh: they have a screen capture function
[15:00] <anything> elfgoh: for some games they got milestone capture
[15:01] <elfgoh> anything: ic. The selling point I am proposing is a single point of access for high res video (eg. wmv) replays
[15:01] <elfgoh> Interesting. Xfire also has a live video broadcasting function
[15:01] <icedwater> What's the credentials for logging in to NUS Guest?
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[15:02] <anything> elfgoh: xfire got it all covered
[15:03] <anything> elfgoh: its like very zai rite... but i think they r too many things already.... make until the xfire very complicated
[15:04] <anything> elfgoh: but i think ur single point of access for high res video veri good, but if this is the case the main target is not games already
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[15:05] <elfgoh> anything: I was talking about hi res game replays. So why isn't the main target games?
[15:05] <elfgoh> Or were you thinking along another line?
[15:05] <anything> elfgoh: orh... high res replay ah...
[15:06] <elfgoh> anything: heh. what did you think i was saying?
[15:06] <anything> elfgoh: coz high res replay is high res video already.... so high res video can work for many things.... that's what i was thinking
[15:07] <anything> elfgoh: nway xfire server seems more like a data storage site.... storage videos, downloads, everything...
[15:08] <elfgoh> anything: i meant high res replays that are in video format. I believe most replays will need to be viewed in game
[15:08] <anything> elfgoh: screen capture in a sense?
[15:11] <elfgoh> anything: basically, my idea is to have high res videos of replays. Ideally, there could be a screen capture tool to aid with that. If not just hosting will be good for starters i guess
[15:12] <anything> elfgoh: sounds good... replays r very very viral also
[15:13] <anything> elfgoh: thinking in terms of cost, basically we'll get our hands on a lot of free hosting space
[15:14] <elfgoh> anything: if you are pursuing this idea, then a way to start getting these videos could be to find those popular youtube replays, then try and get the high res ones. Labour intensive though
[15:15] <anything> elfgoh: ya man....
[15:16] <anything> elfgoh: key goal here is viral solution at minimal cost
[15:16] <anything> elfgoh: the twitter based part like gamerdna is veri low cost
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[15:22] <elfgoh> anything: spend 2K and organise a video replay content ;)
[15:22] <elfgoh> or do some tweet contest.
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[15:25] <anything> elfgoh: anyway more about the high res replay part
[15:25] <anything> elfgoh: how will it get more interesting for players to use?
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[15:35] <anything> elfgoh: initial hype i guess very important
[15:36] <elfgoh> anything: video replays could be used to synergise with the user strategies for starters
[15:39] <anything> elfgoh: that i totally agree
[15:39] <elfgoh> anything: some could be for just fun and entertainment
[15:40] <anything> elfgoh: basically its purely for fun... no one's gonna pay for it anyway
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[15:41] <anything> elfgoh: viral content is always free
[15:43] <elfgoh> anything: well i haven't thought of the revenue model yet. That's more for you to crack your head over.
[15:45] <anything> elfgoh: so far i thought of having something to secure a large user base 1st
[15:45] <anything> elfgoh: potentially use it as a feature as part of product in the future
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[15:46] <anything> elfgoh: unless its a total spin off then need to crack head on revenue model
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[16:03] <dwu> icedwater: on sat?
[16:03] <dwu> icedwater: might do might do, see how i feel.
[16:11] * hyperair still doesn't know the venue and time
[16:24] <icedwater> Ah, ok.
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[16:41] <ruiwen1> http://xkcd.com/644/
[16:55] <hyperair> heheh
[16:55] <hyperair> 'yeah, how did you know?'
[16:55] <hyperair> it would be rather interesting to be able to control usb devices with the brain though
[16:55] <hyperair> imagine plugging an external hard disk and reading the contents
[16:56] <ruiwen1> and if your files were corrupted, would you start spewing rubbish?
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[16:58] * jarick wonders if ruiwen1 has seen the BrainGate
[16:58] <ruiwen1> jarick: i haven't
[16:59] <ruiwen1> jarick: what's that?
[16:59] <jarick> ruiwen1: Quick summary: <100 large implantable electrode array.
[17:00] <hyperair> ruiwen1: you'd barf bits.
[17:00] <jarick> So far, has demonstrated some form of HCI, in terms of button pushing, and minimal cursor control.
[17:00] <jarick> ruiwen1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Nagle
[17:00] <ruiwen1> jarick: interesting
[17:01] <ruiwen1> just read the article
[17:01] <ruiwen1> does sound impressive
[17:02] <ruiwen1> i can imagine the day when everyone has a BrainGate =p
[17:02] <jarick> ruiwen1: ESD would be fun.
[17:03] <ruiwen1> sorry, ESD?
[17:03] * ruiwen1 isn't very up to date
[17:03] <icedwater> !seen ruiwen
[17:03] <megan_> I last saw ruiwen on Fri Oct 2 12:05:55 2009.
[17:03] <icedwater> Connectivity issues?
[17:04] <hyperair> isn't esd esound daemon or something? =p
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[17:15] <jarick> ruiwen: ElectroStatic Discharge
[17:16] <ruiwen> jarick: ah ouchie.
[17:16] <ruiwen> jarick: though we'd be pretty grounded, no?
[17:17] <jarick> ruiwen: And the best path for current to flow is....?
[17:18] <ruiwen> hm i'd figure since we're constantly touching the stuff around us.. through our body, and out whichever body surface is touching something else?
[17:19] <jarick> ruiwen: But this is an excellent conductor
[17:19] <jarick> And the ground is the rest of your body.
[17:22] <inimical> let's hope if our brain gets fried they can attach a braingate to it, backup the data and upload it into a fresh brain :D
[17:22] <ruiwen> heh i'd personally hope for a backup to be done before the frying =P
[17:24] <ruiwen> jarick: will the rest of the body be treated as ground for the discharge? always did think we needed to be touching something connected to, well, the ground
[17:25] <inimical> a brain backup could take several tera/exabytes though
[17:25] <ruiwen> inimical: heh mine probably will be a little less
[17:26] <inimical> ruiwen: airhead? =/
[17:27] <inimical> electricity takes the path of least resistance iirc
[17:27] <ruiwen> inimical: spacious =)
[17:28] <ruiwen> i've killed a good number of neurons in the recent week or so too
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[17:38] <jarick> ruiwen: Yes.
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[17:49] <icedwater> We could work out a BrainFS that stores and accesses data the way the brain does.
[17:50] <icedwater> That would facilitate backups and restores.
[17:51] <ruiwen> that would bring new meaning a having a brain dump =)
[17:52] <icedwater> Also, I asked Soo Yuen Jien to pop by our channel but forgot to give him connect details :p
[17:57] <ruiwen> how did that go?
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[19:23] <dwu> ye gads. goddamn natural disasters.
[19:26] <jarick> dwu: This would be a horrible time to trot out the paranoid conspiracy theories?
[19:26] <jarick> dwu: Also, http://grandmasterrobo.sonicsquirrel.net/sojusrecords/peacespeakers-message_from_planet_earth_sjslp-6201/01-peacespeakers-we_are_all_alone_in_the_universe.mp3
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[20:29] <emdy> hello is anyone here?
[20:29] <icedwater> Yes emdy?
[20:30] <emdy> i'm new to Ubuntu and have a little problem...
[20:30] <emdy> basically is is possible to connect say the CBLC printer?
[20:31] <icedwater> Hmm, we have a guide on our wiki, actually.
[20:31] <emdy> oh cool
[20:31] <icedwater> Though it's a little dated.
[20:31] <emdy> but it still works right?
[20:32] <icedwater> The main steps should be the same.
[20:32] <emdy> lemme check the wiki...
[20:32] <icedwater> Maybe menu layout is different. :)
[20:33] <emdy> ha my first time trying to locate the wiki...where izit? thx
[20:33] <emdy> guess this is the one?
[20:33] <emdy> http://opensource.nus.edu.sg/wiki/index.php/Special:Recentchanges
[20:34] <icedwater> It's on oensource.nus.edu.sg :)
[20:34] <icedwater> Yupp.
[20:35] <dwu> jarick: Yes.
[20:36] <emdy> ha thanx a lot
[20:39] * schiv got himself a 32GB thumbdrive..wondering what distro to put on it =p
[20:39] <icedwater> Hope it works.. if it doesn't please help make changes.
[20:39] <jarick> dwu: Yes?
[20:42] <dwu> jarick: In response to your second last.
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[20:44] <jarick> dwu: Did you enjoy the track?
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[20:44] <dwu> jarick: I've not heard it.
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[20:48] <jarick> :(
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[20:49] <schiv> holy shit liveusb-creator just killed my X!
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[20:52] <jarick> rras?
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[21:29] <icedwater> emdy: Does it work?
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[22:13] <strohi> hey icedwater
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[22:48] <concernedcitizen> where ya''ll go
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[23:09] <elfgoh__> linux needs more games!
[23:09] <dwu> wii needs more games.
[23:10] <inimical> linux does rather lack native games
[23:22] <elfgoh__> well astromenace was pretty cool
[23:22] <elfgoh__> good graphics and sound
[23:22] <elfgoh__> too bad it's freeware
[23:24] <hyperair> freeware's still fine, just that it can't be packaged/redistributed
[23:24] <hyperair> would you believe that flightgear runs better on wine than natively?
[23:25] <elfgoh__> hyperair: hmmmm.... i just downloaded astromenace via a playdeb repo
[23:26] <hyperair> playdeb? what's that O_o
[23:27] <elfgoh__> hyperair: well that's a little sad for flightgear but could it be some other issue such as graphic drivers?
[23:27] <elfgoh__> hyperair: playdeb == getdeb but for games
[23:28] <hyperair> elfgoh__: no, nothing to do with graphics drivers. the windows version allows you to select which plane to fly. the linux version only allows you to fly one plane. and doesn't even give you the options dialog you see in windows
[23:29] <elfgoh__> hyperair: that's very sad. why is there such a disparity?
[23:38] <hyperair> elfgoh__: i have no idea.
[23:43] <concernedcitizen> mang, after being out of the pc hardware race for so long, should I just get a pre-built system (casing/power/cpu/mobo/ram)
[23:43] <concernedcitizen> from SLS
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