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[0:20] <elfgoh> Oh so Karmic Beta is out
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[0:45] <icedwater> Nice ... also, I met Soo Yuen Jien earlier.
[0:49] <icedwater> I'll send the details to coreteam, but in short, what's going to happen is there'll be a 30-45 minute supervised play session with Mac OS X, Windows 7 and a Linux distro of our choice.
[0:51] <icedwater> 25 students will be divided into groups to experience the systems. And there should be someone on hand to supervise silently, ie be the lifeguard.
[0:56] <icedwater> So we need to decide: which distro to set up, where to get a computer, and who to be the volunteer.
[0:56] <icedwater> It's going to be on Oct 16.
[0:58] <hyperair> ubuntu!
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[1:05] <icedwater> Heh that was what I was thinking, but I'm biased too, I'm more familiar with *buntu than other distros.
[1:06] <icedwater> And it would probably give the best impression too :P
[1:06] <elfgoh> Think RC for Karmic will be out by then
[1:07] <icedwater> Hmm... would it still be a little buggy, though?
[1:08] <elfgoh> icedwater: depends. Usually it is same as the final
[1:08] <icedwater> Hm, OK. I usually hold off on upgrading for very long ... heh.
[1:10] <icedwater> So, tentatively, Karmic RC.
[1:10] <icedwater> KDE or Gnome better?
[1:10] <icedwater> Or would that be a moot point because RCs come only with GNOME?
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[1:11] <elfgoh> icedwater: The releases of akk varuabts are synchronised as much as possible
[1:12] <icedwater> That's good news.
[1:12] <elfgoh> oh i got my date wrong
[1:13] <elfgoh> RC released on 22nd
[1:16] <icedwater> Hm, OK. Then we should stick to Intrepid?
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[1:54] <icedwater> And who would be available for the actual event? I think we need to decide that.
[1:55] <icedwater> None of the alumni should be involved, as far as possible.
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[2:37] <icedwater> On a side note, anyone played with LFS before?
[2:38] <elfgoh> icedwater: a long time ago
[2:39] <schiv> not too long ago
[2:51] <icedwater> Hmm... cool. Did you use the automated build scripts? Or set it up yourself?
[2:52] <icedwater> I'm wondering what the benefit is over, say, getting a stock kernel image and getting it to boot with a particular distro.
[2:57] <strohi> oh nice
[2:59] <icedwater> I have a feeling that LFS only works for x86?
[2:59] <icedwater> So, say, if you wanted to build a custom distro for an MP3 player, you'd need to roll your own?
[3:00] <icedwater> Or at any rate not use LFS.
[3:00] <hyperair> imo LFS would work for x86_64 as well
[3:01] <icedwater> OK, probably, but I'm more concerned with the class of computer, you know, as in general-purpose vs pretty much embedded.
[3:01] <icedwater> As in, dual core is probably not my problem :P
[3:07] <hyperair> yes yes
[3:07] <hyperair> heh
[3:07] <icedwater> :P
[3:07] <hyperair> well if you're giong to be rolling out linux for a mp3 player, you better be able to interface with its buttons
[3:08] <hyperair> and display something on screen
[3:10] <schiv> everything from scratch and upstream, compiled..the whole binutils shebang. but i didn't use their livecd.
[3:11] <schiv> i think it might be beneficial for that purpose (embedded?)
[3:12] <schiv> unless of course there is already a "linux for media players"..which you could respin
[3:16] <icedwater> Hmm. Yeah that too.
[3:17] <icedwater> Or linux for mobile phones...
[3:17] <icedwater> The media player in question is a Zen X-Fi which has a 9-key keypad.
[3:17] <icedwater> Almost phone-ish.
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[3:18] <strohi> hey icedwater :D
[3:18] <icedwater> Anyhow, going to bed now.
[3:18] <icedwater> Or soon.
[3:18] <icedwater> Hello strohi!
[3:19] * icedwater is going to Germany next week.
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[3:19] <strohi> at 9pm to bed? :p
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[3:20] <strohi> hm, wrong windowmanager x.x
[3:25] <icedwater> Heh... I'm not at the 9pm timezone yet.
[3:26] * hyperair yawns
[3:26] <hyperair> 3am...
[3:27] <icedwater> cc
[3:27] <icedwater> Gah!
[3:28] <schiv> all energetic people here..no need sleep
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[3:29] <icedwater> schiv: Hehe, I'm out of here now ... going to play football in the morning :)
[3:31] <strohi> :D
[3:32] <strohi> sounds like sport, are you sure about that?
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[7:41] <concernedcitizen> mmmm
[7:41] <concernedcitizen> my startrek 2009 bluray is done :)
[7:53] <triplez> dwu_: there?
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[11:23] <dwu> hrm, I really wish people would msg me when I didn't reply to a ping.
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[11:28] <rw_test> ruiwen: test
[11:28] <rw_test> ruiwen: test
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[14:20] <icedwater> strohi: Yes, I just finished the session :) Hit the posts 4 times, really out of practice.
[14:21] <icedwater> Oh, he isn't even here. Haven't figured out how to tab complete.
[14:22] <dwu> On what?
[14:22] <icedwater> Connectbot, my Magic ssh client.
[14:23] <dwu> ah.
[14:23] <dwu> does not the magic already have a tab key?
[14:23] <icedwater> Not as fdar as I know.
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[20:51] <shungun> hello
[20:51] <shungun> i just wanted to know about the donut update for android G2
[20:51] <shungun> how does it work in singapore OTA?
[20:52] <elfgoh> shungun: best to check in #codeandroid
[20:52] <shungun> oh ok
[20:53] <shungun> thanks
[20:53] <shungun> =)
[20:54] <melynx> there is still no official donut updates what...
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[21:02] <jarick> I want doughnuts.
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[21:02] <shungun> http://www.androidguys.com/2009/10/02/dont-wait-grab-donut-for-yourself/
[21:02] <shungun> donut
[21:02] <shungun> =)
[21:02] <shungun> i want donut too
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[21:19] <melynx> wow
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[21:20] <jarick> 160?
[21:22] <ruiwen> jarick: 160?
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[21:29] * strohi greets to all linuxusers here :)
[21:29] <ruiwen> hello strohi
[21:29] <strohi> hello
[21:29] <elfgoh> strohi: hello
[21:30] <strohi> hello
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[21:34] * ruiwen shares the love http://www.flickr.com/photos/ruiwen/3976377921/
[21:35] <strohi> do you use mailencryption in sg?
[21:35] <strohi> nice ruiwen :D
[21:35] <jamesty1> ruiwen: omg
[21:36] <jamesty1> ruiwen: what kind of code is that
[21:36] <ruiwen> jamesty1: as far as i can tell it's HTMLJavascriptPHP
[21:36] <strohi> nice mix
[21:36] <jamesty1> ruiwen: lol nice screenshot
[21:37] <jamesty1> ruiwen: did you make that yourself
[21:37] * jamesty1 is trying to read the blurred out code
[21:39] <ruiwen> jamesty1: heh yeah.. it's a work of art really
[21:39] <ruiwen> the code
[21:39] <ruiwen> almost couldn't fit it all on my screen to capture it
[21:39] <jamesty1> i see a nested html table
[21:39] <jamesty1> i am going to tweet this
[21:39] <ruiwen> haha
[21:39] <ruiwen> jamesty1: nested tables you say? at least you're making more progress than me =P
[21:40] <jamesty1> you should refactor that ;)
[21:40] <ruiwen> soon as i figure out how it works =P
[21:41] <ruiwen> or what it does
[21:41] <elfgoh> ruiwen: not having line breaks is TOTALLY unforgivable
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[21:41] <elfgoh> ruiwen: maybe the line breaks are not preserved in vim or something?
[21:42] * ruiwen cries
[21:44] <ruiwen> elfgoh: just looked at the original code.. no breaks there either it seems
[21:45] <elfgoh> ruiwen: am wondering if it could be an editor issue.... it's insane not to have line breaks
[21:45] <jarick> ruiwen: Can't you feed it into a code prettifier?
[21:46] <elfgoh> ruiwen: there's this thing called htmltidy i think.... try it
[21:46] <jarick> ruiwen: 160 wide.
[21:46] <ruiwen> elfgoh: jarick: good point.. shall try
[21:46] <ruiwen> jarick: ah.. that will probably reduce the number of wrapped lines somewhat
[21:46] <ruiwen> shall check out prettifiers
[21:48] <jarick> ruiwen: http://www.codeassembly.com/examples/beautifier.php
[21:48] <icedwater> Cheh, why you chase shungun over? :P
[21:48] <icedwater> Anyhow, who's up for supper at 11?
[21:48] <icedwater> !seen dqminh
[21:48] <megan_> I last saw dqminh on Fri Oct 2 13:03:06 2009.
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[21:52] * icedwater cheers ruiwen on :)
[21:54] <ruiwen> heh after running through htmltidy, i get about 1600 lines
[21:54] <dwu> icedwater: I am.
[21:55] <dwu> icedwater: If hackfest after, I can use the time to study :)
[21:55] <dwu> ooh, wait...
[21:55] <jarick> ruiwen: You need to post another picture.
[21:55] <jarick> Also, I get bored
[21:55] <jarick> http://www.zooomr.com/z/photos/zoom/8270972/size-8/
[21:56] <ruiwen> nice shot jarick.. you took that?
[21:56] <jarick> ruiwen: Yes.
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[21:57] <ruiwen> anyway htmltidy worked great with the html.. and broke up the embedded js/php somewhat too.. so at least it's more readable now.. yay
[21:57] <jarick> ruiwen: what about the php specific beautifier?
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[22:00] <ruiwen> jarick: yup did it on those bits.. but with a JS one instead
[22:01] <jarick> ruiwen: You need a T-shirt.
[22:02] <jarick> ruiwen: 8037 characters. 53 lines. No comments, no line breaks, no beer. Saturday evening. What do you do?
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[22:07] <patrickhaller> vi +=G stupidity.html
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[22:09] <icedwater> Hmm... study?
[22:09] <icedwater> Anyone else coming over though? :P
[22:10] <dwu> Yeah, dunno.
[22:10] <dwu> And to be honest, I'm cash-lower than I'd prefer to be.
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[22:16] <icedwater> Well
[22:16] <icedwater> We could always just do supper :)
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[22:17] <icedwater> Or just do hackage, if there are people enough...
[22:17] <dwu> isn't that kind of the cashy bit :P
[22:18] <ruiwen> won't be able to join you guys.. bug hunting at the moment
[22:18] <icedwater> Heh well
[22:18] <icedwater> l
[22:19] <icedwater> All right then, we'll save it for next time.
[22:20] * jarick wants to do some hacking.
[22:20] <icedwater> jarick: No Sunday mob this time?
[22:21] <jarick> icedwater: No, but going back for BMT on Monday.
[22:22] <jarick> So no late nights.
[22:26] <dwu> icedwater: Isn't your next time in a couple of years? :)
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[22:27] <icedwater> Hm, next year.
[22:28] <icedwater> So, might there be supper with jarick?
[22:28] <icedwater> And consequently also dwu? :P
[22:28] <icedwater> No one else available ... kelvinq perhaps?
[22:28] <icedwater> Oh yeah.
[22:28] <icedwater> wywen: hyperair: Were you two at the linuxNUS/NTUOSS thing earlier?
[22:28] <dwu> Heh.
[22:28] <kelvinq> :)
[22:29] <kelvinq> i'm around.
[22:29] <icedwater> All my invites are open invites, I'm just listing people who I think will be more likely to drop in, given geographical constraints :P
[22:29] <icedwater> Ehhh yq you're east side right?
[22:29] <jarick> icedwater: Will it be at bukit timah again?
[22:29] <icedwater> Yus.
[22:29] <jarick> If so, I'm going to give it a miss.
[22:30] <icedwater> This is the only feasible way to have hackage later at my place.
[22:30] <jarick> IRC will have to suffice.
[22:30] <dwu> Well, if we skip hackage...
[22:30] <icedwater> Aww... where would be manageable for you, then?
[22:30] <dwu> Where else is good for people?
[22:30] <yq> icedwater: yea whats up
[22:30] <icedwater> yq: No, thinking about supper.
[22:30] <yq> tonight?
[22:30] * jarick isn't really planning for supper
[22:30] <yq> cant do tonight
[22:31] <icedwater> I see.
[22:31] * icedwater knows jarick isn't really planning for supper
[22:31] <yq> sorry
[22:31] <icedwater> Just as well... I'll watch me some football.
[22:31] <icedwater> Perfect complement to the actual playing in the morning :)
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[22:34] <jarick> icedwater: I will instead go work on my nice shiny arm7 boards.
[22:34] * jarick wonders if anyone else here is interested in a couple of arm7 breakout boards.
[22:35] <icedwater> Ooh... arm7... I wouldn't have minded had I found out first what the chip in my zen x-fi is.
[22:35] <jarick> icedwater: Which one is it?
[22:36] <icedwater> Also, arm7 is inside the n810 which kelvinq donated to us, though I think we can avoid taking it apart for now.
[22:36] <icedwater> jarick: Zen X-Fi 8GB.
[22:36] <jarick> No, the specific ARM7 processor.
[22:36] <icedwater> dwu: What's the studying for, though?
[22:36] <jarick> I have some LPC2142s here.
[22:36] <dwu> icedwater: comms equipment.
[22:36] <icedwater> I don't know, and I don't know how to find out.
[22:36] <icedwater> Short of breaking it open.
[22:37] * jarick hands dwu a RT-910
[22:37] <icedwater> Which I'm not too inclined to do at the moment :P
[22:37] <dwu> Heh.
[22:38] <jarick> dwu: Quick, tell me what the remote that's used with D-10 cable is called!
[22:38] <dwu> jarick: Seriously, sod off and rest up for bmt.
[22:39] <jarick> dwu: :'(
[22:40] * jarick enjoys his ginger beer instead
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[22:44] <hyperair> icedwater: i was.
[22:45] <hyperair> dqminh was the only linuxNUS fellow who turned up =.=
[22:46] <jmarki> hyperair: there was something?!?
[22:47] <icedwater> Hm, weird.
[22:47] <ruiwen> hyperair: how'd it go?
[22:47] <icedwater> jmarki: It was meant for current active undergrad linuxNUS members.
[22:49] <jmarki> icedwater: ahh....
[22:49] <icedwater> Did I mention undergrad current active linuxNUS members?
[22:49] * icedwater blinks innocently.
[22:49] * jmarki goes back to sleep
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[23:09] <icedwate1> Hello....
[23:09] <strohi> huhu
[23:09] <icedwate1> Woah ... I'm running this irssi session inside tintin++ within screen.
[23:10] <icedwate1> It's a bit psycho.
[23:10] <icedwate1> Bad for epilepsy victims.
[23:10] <strohi> sounds like a terrorist :O
[23:10] <icedwate1> l
[23:10] <icedwater> This is a bit calmer.
[23:10] <strohi> only a bit :D
[23:10] <icedwater> Going to try the same thing outside screen... brb.
[23:10] <icedwate1> #session tru
[23:10] <icedwate1> Gah.
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[23:12] <icedwater> Hmm.
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[23:12] <strohi> whats up?
[23:13] <icedwater> Nothing, brb.
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[23:15] <icedwate1> Hmm.
[23:15] <icedwate1> Just as psychedelic here... think it's not a good idea to run irssi within tintin++.
[23:16] <icedwate1> l
[23:16] <icedwate1> Eep!
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[23:17] <icedwater> Oh, whew. I thought it had gone psycho spammy.
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[23:18] <strohi> O.o
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[23:34] <dwu> triplez: you pinged me this morn?
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[23:43] <ruiwen> hello ramukmar
[23:43] <ruiwen> long time no see
[23:43] <ramukmar> yup, hello ruiwen
[23:44] <icedwater> Hey ramukmar :) How's things at work?
[23:45] <ramukmar> hey icedwater
[23:45] <ramukmar> busy but good
[23:45] <ramukmar> finally going to start development soon, heh
[23:45] <ruiwen> sounds good =)
[23:46] <ruiwen> they've been driving you hard eh
[23:46] <ramukmar> heh yes
[23:46] <ramukmar> how have you guys been?
[23:48] <ruiwen> pretty much running all around too.. Welcome Tea, installfest, SFD..
[23:48] <ruiwen> and Hackfest coming soon
[23:48] <ruiwen> speaking of which... coreteam do please reply to my mail about Hackfest date and venue =)
[23:49] <ramukmar> yea, wanted to come for SFD, how'd that go?
[23:49] <ramukmar> any converts after the installfest? heh
[23:50] <ruiwen> SFD was nice.. was a great chance to catch up with the other groups i think
[23:50] <ruiwen> in fact, dqminh just had a powwow with NTUOSS earlier today
[23:51] <ruiwen> we've got new coreteam members now.. so we won't die out as yet =)
[23:51] <ramukmar> haha ok, that's good news
[23:51] <ramukmar> i'll come for the next meeting...things getting slightly better at work now i think
[23:52] <ruiwen> great to hear =)
[23:55] <triplez> dwu: your number?
[23:55] <dwu> triplez: eh, didn't you already have it?
[23:55] <triplez> nope
[23:55] <dwu> heh.
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