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[0:02] <jmarki> hyperair: eh, can someone post something a little bit more recent on ntuoss.org?
[0:03] <dqminh> ruiwen: no, i havent. because they have no idea about the course structure, i propose that i will inform them later via email
[0:03] <dqminh> *they have no idea about the Ruby course
[0:03] <hyperair> jmarki: we would, if we had access to it
[0:03] <hyperair> wait i'm not sure if our old passwords all still work
[0:04] <ruiwen> dqminh: cool okie will wait for email then
[0:04] <hyperair> jmarki: well we're mostly looking forward to posting stuff on the new webserver that the CiTS won't approve
[0:04] <jmarki> hyperair: it's joomla. you can change the passwords directly
[0:04] <hyperair> like hai i don't have ssh access, and i'm not an admin
[0:05] <jmarki> hyperair: phpmyadmin?
[0:05] <hyperair> .....
[0:05] <hyperair> let's just say that i don't have any access to that server.
[0:05] <hyperair> why do you think we're so gung ho about bringign it back to within ntu?
[0:06] <jmarki> hyperair: oh well, it does look bad when the last post is recruitment since feb.
[0:06] <hyperair> well yeah, tell that to the nice people working in the CiTS
[0:06] <icedwater> dqminh: Did you receive the couple of emails about Soo Yuen Jien's event?
[0:06] <hyperair> not that they give a damn anyway
[0:07] <hyperair> all they give a damn about is that they don't get more work. and opening a bloody ethernet port's access to the interwebs is more work to them.
[0:07] <jmarki> hyperair: they still haven't approved it yet!? what's the latest in the saga now?
[0:08] <hyperair> emm something about "we're worried that it will affect our users if your server faces the internet" or something
[0:08] <hyperair> yeah something about bandwidth consumption
[0:08] <hyperair> they cut access to the server while i was trying to get the server synced, remember?
[0:08] <jmarki> ruiwen, dqminh: should we host ntuoss for them? =p
[0:08] <hyperair> rather, they didn't grant us inbound access from the intarwebs and they cut our outbound access everywhere.
[0:09] <hyperair> while you're at it, please host our 500G worth of ubuntu mirrors stuff, and preferably somewhere we can get good speeds from.
[0:09] <hyperair> </s>
[0:09] * jmarki runs away in horror
[0:12] <dqminh> icedwater: the latest one is your email from 2 days ago
[0:12] <jmarki> hyperair: 101 of dealing with IT who don't know anything. get inside support
[0:13] <hyperair> meh. inside support..
[0:13] <hyperair> i wonder who i can bug
[0:13] <jmarki> hyperair: as high level support as possible.
[0:13] <hyperair> hmm
[0:13] <jmarki> hyperair: then pitch it in a way they will benefit.
[0:14] <jmarki> hyperair: and if/when they are sold, they will push the mountains for you
[0:14] <hyperair> hmm
[0:15] <jmarki> actually, this is 101 for all project deployments in organisations. find one sponsor with enough clout, and mountains will move
[0:16] <hyperair> well yeah. you make it soudn so simple =.=
[0:16] <jmarki> hyperair: that's my day job... pushing buttons to get approval for projects
[0:17] <icedwater> dqminh: Yeah, I need a way to mobilise the year 1s.
[0:17] <hyperair> how fun
[0:17] <icedwater> Have you seen them other than for the Saturday meeting?
[0:17] <jmarki> hyperair: very fun. especially after the buttons are pushed, and i end up pushing mountains
[0:17] <hyperair> heh
[0:18] <dqminh> icedwater: no I havent. Last Saturday was for NTUOSS meeting
[0:18] <dqminh> to coreteam, meeting minutes with NTUOSS is up
[0:18] <icedwater> There was another meeting before that, wasn't there? Aldrian, Angad and A...?
[0:19] <jmarki> AAAs!
[0:19] <dqminh> ruiwen: how can we start the @alumni.linuxnus.org email ?
[0:19] <dqminh> icedwater: yup, they are in coreteam email list now.
[0:20] <ruiwen> dqminh: we could start by purging current coreteam@ of old, inactive members i think
[0:20] <ruiwen> eg. send mail out, see who replies
[0:20] <ruiwen> then move those alumni to alumni@linuxnus.org?
[0:21] <jmarki> arrgh... more emails!
[0:21] * jmarki had spent the entire weekend clearing emails
[0:21] <ruiwen> i was just wondering if we should keep coreteam@ at the one that links up both active and alumni?
[0:21] <ruiwen> and have, say, separate alumni@ and active@, for example
[0:21] <ruiwen> what do you think dqminh?
[0:22] <jmarki> ruiwen: do you mean inactive alumni coreteam will be purged? or moved to alumni?
[0:23] <ruiwen> jmarki: purged
[0:24] <ruiwen> dqminh: should we be discussing the minutes in the doc itself or over email?
[0:30] <jmarki> hyperair: fight one battle at a time lah. have an internal ntu ubuntu mirror first
[0:30] <hyperair> jmarki: we're only fighting one battle.
[0:30] <hyperair> that is, to get the mirror up.
[0:30] <hyperair> it's all on one machine.
[0:31] <jmarki> hyperair: seeing how NTU never seem to have enough bandwidth, having an internal mirror is easier to pitch
[0:32] <hyperair> hmm?
[0:32] <jmarki> external mirror can be another fight
[0:32] <hyperair> imo we've got better bandwidth than nus
[0:32] <jmarki> hyperair: eh.... since when?!
[0:33] <jmarki> seriously
[0:36] <ruiwen> dqminh: next SRB http://singaporerubybrigade.pbworks.com/
[0:37] <icedwater> ruiwen: Technically, like it or not, we're also alumni, as involved as we seem to be.
[0:39] <dqminh> ruiwen: yup, got the link from srb mailing list too
[0:39] <hyperair> jmarki: well, at least our connections are stable. from what i've heard, SOC1?'s connection is pretty flaky and such
[0:39] <ruiwen> icedwater: meaning?
[0:39] <icedwater> So we should be on alumni@ instead of coreteam@, is what I'm saying.
[0:39] <jmarki> hyperair: that's soc. soc's network is separate from nus. for some hard-to-understand reason
[0:39] <ruiwen> icedwater: ah well yeah the intention is for us to be on alumni@
[0:39] <hyperair> heh i see
[0:39] <icedwater> Which, though it would make things slightly harder for us to help out, is the way I think it should be.
[0:39] <icedwater> And if kevin, etc are not responding any more (for instance), they should be purged from the @linuxnus.org domain completely.
[0:40] <icedwater> They can remain on the Yahoogroup.
[0:40] <ruiwen> icedwater: but to be entirely separated from the active team, i see as a downside.. hence the combined coreteam@, which comprises both alumni@ and, say active@.. but that's just my proposal
[0:40] <jmarki> kevin doesn't have any time to help, the last I heard
[0:40] <ruiwen> icedwater: and re: purging, yes.
[0:41] <dqminh> ruiwen: did you mean purge those who didnt reply, and move those replied to alumni@linuxnus.org ?
[0:41] <ruiwen> dqminh: yup
[0:41] <icedwater> jmarki: I thought this might come up. Kevin just happens to be the first name that came to mind, I mean nothing personal. It could have just as well been Luqman whose name I mentioned, or Rey.
[0:41] <dqminh> ruiwen: yup, i'm fine with that
[0:41] <jmarki> ruiwen, icedwater, dqminh: it boils down to the commitment level of the new members, i think. dqminh, how's their commitment level?
[0:41] <ruiwen> heh well at least we know luqman's still around
[0:41] <icedwater> I think it's too complex... yes, we are the coreteam at the moment. We are also alumni.
[0:42] <icedwater> But I think having alumni@ and active@ is complicating things a little too much.
[0:42] <jmarki> icedwater: yeah. i don't think he would mind. =p
[0:42] <icedwater> Let's just have coreteam@ for the active coreteam, alumni@ for us, we can still organise our stuff among ourselves anyway.
[0:43] <icedwater> Key thing is for the coreteam to be on their own, and not be us+whichever freshie wants to be in coreteam.
[0:43] <jmarki> icedwater: as in, we are in both?
[0:44] <ruiwen> icedwater: the rationale for suggesting the joint list is so that we get to keep in contact with the active team, such that next time they'll seamlessly integrated into the alumni, and not be unfamiliar with us, and not so that we can keep being involved with activities
[0:45] <icedwater> jmarki: As in, I believe ruiwen is suggesting there will be alumni@linuxnus.org which holds people like us, active@linuxnus.org for dqminh, angad, eugene, etc ... and coreteam@linuxnus.org for both.
[0:45] <ruiwen> icedwater: i wholeheartedly agree that daniel's new coreteam should stand on their own and we shouldn't try to "help" too much
[0:45] <icedwater> Of course, we should bootstrap them first.
[0:45] <ruiwen> ?
[0:46] <icedwater> As in, help them along until, say, their first event is successfully organised, then sit back and be MMs, basically.
[0:46] <jmarki> ahh... that's good. =)
[0:46] <jmarki> MMs
[0:46] <jmarki> =D
[0:46] <icedwater> We can always send mail to coreteam@linuxnus.org, even though we're not personally included on that mailing list.
[0:46] <jmarki> dqminh: what do you think? you are the president
[0:47] <icedwater> I'm strongly of the opinion that coreteam@ should only be the active people, alumni@ would be for us.
[0:47] <icedwater> But!
[0:48] <icedwater> Applying that same logic, since we are currently still active, we should all be in coreteam@ for the time being.
[0:48] <icedwater> Until such time as the new coreteam have successfully organised their first event.
[0:48] <ruiwen> icedwater: the joint list doesn't have to be coreteam@ per se.. i'm just suggesting.. of course implementation can be different so long as the objectives are met
[0:49] <icedwater> Yeah, we're all just suggesting here, don't get me wrong :)
[0:49] <ruiwen> but of course again, pending dqminh's approval
[0:49] <icedwater> Because to dictate anything would contradict our own intentions, and what's the point of that? :D
[0:49] <jmarki> i think just coreteam and alumni is good. only problem is a short-term problem of how do we help dqminh in the transition period
[0:49] <icedwater> Which is why I pointed out that we should have it as-is. Let the new coreteam come in
[0:49] <ruiwen> alumni will still be moved to alumni@ all the same i think, that much i think we agree on
[0:49] <icedwater> Then let them decide together what to do with us.
[0:50] <ruiwen> i think we've helped enough though, dqminh looks like he knows how to lead them from here
[0:50] <icedwater> And yes, I like the idea of a set of alumni@ present to, erm, exercise class 1 license.
[0:50] <jmarki> which then goes into how committed are the new gang. does dqminh still need us to help?
[0:50] <icedwater> jmarki: ruiwen: see above.
[0:51] <jmarki> yeah. but dqminh is not responding!
[0:51] <icedwater> Commitment is one thing, but the manpower present is really miserable (my opinion) so I do suspect dqminh would still very much need our help.
[0:51] <icedwater> !seen aaronstevensonle
[0:51] <megan_> I last saw aaronstevensonle on Sun Apr 5 21:56:09 2009.
[0:51] <icedwater> Heh, he's still within records eh.
[0:52] <ruiwen> icedwater: see above regarding?
[0:52] <icedwater> Regarding helping enough, dqminh knows how to lead them from here, and does dqminh need us to help.
[0:53] <icedwater> I think I have to clarify: I'm sure dqminh (who would help if he responded a little to this, but he's probably busy) knows how to lead the new coreteam from here. But I think for now we should still be helping out, at least as manpower and 'consultants'.
[0:54] <dwu> plefh. tired!
[0:54] <icedwater> Which is what we're doing now.
[0:54] <icedwater> dwu: What did you guys do after I left?
[0:54] <icedwater> ruiwen: jmarki: At any rate, I think the coreteam@ list should be pruned somewhat.
[0:55] <dwu> icedwater: they went shopping, i followed, then we had snackies, then we went home, then i met my potential financial advisor, then i booked in.
[0:55] <icedwater> Ah, just reading that makes me more tired.
[0:55] <ruiwen> icedwater: re: coreteam@ yes, it will.. which is what sparked off this discussion i think
[0:55] <dwu> and after i booked in i had to fix my lbv, then study, then now :)
[0:55] <icedwater> Also, I should be up early to settle visa stuff, so I think I'm off to bed soon.
[0:56] <dwu> i so need a cuddle. where's mah bear :(
[0:56] <ruiwen> icedwater: i think dqminh will ask us for help if he needs us =)
[0:56] <icedwater> Yup! :D
[0:56] <jmarki> yeah
[0:56] <icedwater> And ... wow, the most linuxNUS-related discussion we've had in a while.
[0:56] <jmarki> =D
[0:57] <icedwater> Not sure if it's a good sign that it's centred on a mailing list :P
[0:57] <icedwater> But good that we had the reasons sorted out.
[0:57] <jmarki> is #linuxnus still the most active singapore group on irc?
[0:57] <icedwater> jmarki: If it wasn't, it is now :P
[0:58] <jmarki> if so, we are the one with the most geek creed!
[0:58] <jmarki> meetings on irc too. =D
[0:58] <icedwater> Teehee... s/creed/cred/ :P Though 'geek creed' could actually mean something else.
[0:58] <jmarki> oops. s/creed/cred/
[0:59] <dwu> again with the weirdo geographic concerns.
[0:59] <icedwater> :P
[0:59] <icedwater> ##efo-boost
[0:59] <icedwater> Gah, ego.
[0:59] <schiv> jmarki: yeah it is..
[0:59] <icedwater> schiv: How is that measured?
[1:00] <schiv> icedwater: by the amount of lines i see in my logs from this channel as compared to the (very) few other channels which you can count in one hand.
[1:01] <dwu> singapore's so tiny it's bloody not worth having a seconnd channel, nevermind more.
[1:02] <schiv> yeah..but as someone not from NUS the group name sort of implies it's not vendor-neutral..or however you'd term that.
[1:03] <dwu> sob.
[1:04] <schiv> just look at #ubuntu-sg..it's currently got 15 nicks.
[1:04] <ruiwen> we're not vendor neutral?
[1:04] <dwu> ruiwen: we're not institution neutral, apparently.
[1:04] <dwu> sob, sob.
[1:04] <ruiwen> ah that
[1:04] <schiv> yeah that's a better term
[1:04] <dwu> what's the frickin' point, anyways.
[1:05] <schiv> to be the most active singapore group and boost your ego? =p
[1:06] <dwu> so "none", then.
[1:06] <jmarki> whahahah... resume: active member of freenode#linuxnus
[1:06] <jmarki> =D
[1:06] <jmarki> under "Professional Community"
[1:06] * jmarki hides
[1:06] <icedwater> Heh dotz.
[1:07] <icedwater> schiv: Why should we be more exclusive, or put people into linuxNUS just because they're in #linuxnus?
[1:09] <icedwater> Both ways won't work well.
[1:09] <icedwater> (Yay for alliteration.)
[1:09] <icedwater> So I've been pushing for more activity in the channel, and not just bots and parkers ... I have learned that activity comes from the people who park :)
[1:09] <schiv> icedwater: should you? i was just commenting..i don't know which is the correct approach. i don't even know whether my comment is valid.
[1:09] <icedwater> But I would still like for there to be no more bots.
[1:09] <icedwater> schiv: Yup, just commenting on your comment :P
[1:09] <schiv> icedwater: awesome
[1:09] <dwu> rename the damn thing #oss-sg and make everyone join *shrug* automatically most active sg group, automatically just as lame as needing or wanting to be sg most active.
[1:10] <icedwater> Heh yeah.
[1:10] <schiv> but it's funny..28 nicks and "most active"
[1:11] <icedwater> Heh. Numbers numbers numbers.
[1:11] <dwu> big. frickin'. deal.
[1:11] <icedwater> It's just an extension of the same mentality that has served our country 'well' ... always numbers.
[1:11] <schiv> correct
[1:11] <schiv> and now i'm seeing "Lad: 999ms"
[1:12] <schiv> Lag*
[1:12] <icedwater> Heh.
[1:12] <icedwater> How is it you're still online?
[1:12] <dwu> so, it's -also- complete bullcrap? there's a thing in about either tiny brooks babbling or only small gods needing to care about their worshippers.
[1:13] <schiv> dunno..now back to 300~
[1:13] <schiv> hsdpa is a funny connection
[1:13] <jmarki> icedwater: well, at least there's only 2 bots now
[1:13] <jmarki> or is it 3
[1:21] <jmarki> night all
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[5:51] <ruiwen> good morning icedwater
[5:51] <ruiwen> up so early?
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[6:09] <strohi> do you have 24h disconnect in sg?
[6:10] <ruiwen> 24h disconnect?
[6:10] <ruiwen> as in?
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[6:12] <strohi> in germany the dsl provider had an "nice" idea ... they drop alle 24hours the connection
[6:13] <strohi> the cable providern doenst do that shit
[6:22] <ruiwen> eh? why on earth would they do that?
[6:22] <ruiwen> good evening jamesty1
[6:24] <strohi> they say is technically needed .. ist muste be and so ...
[6:24] <strohi> you can't run serverservices at home ;)
[6:24] <strohi> an 24/7 connection is really expencive
[6:25] <strohi> hey jamesty1
[6:28] <strohi> good night
[6:37] <ruiwen> ah ok that's interesting
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[8:02] <jamesty1> hey guys
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[9:05] <concernedcitizen> morn
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[12:02] <icedwater> But it's different for student hostels... the connection is on all night :P
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[15:34] <ruiwen> dqminh: ping
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[16:01] <dqminh> ruiwen: here
[16:06] <ruiwen> dqminh: preferred data for Hackfest? 10 or 17 Oct?
[16:07] <dqminh> ruiwen: are we able to get RH on 10 ?
[16:08] <ruiwen> doesn't look like it.. and no reply from eugene
[16:09] <dqminh> 17th is also fine
[16:09] <dqminh> i havent started publicize on anywhere except FB
[16:10] <ruiwen> hm ok
[16:10] <ruiwen> let's do 17th then
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[22:59] <icedwater> I didn't lend anyone an SD card, did I? -_-
[23:02] <triplez> yes you did
[23:02] <icedwater> Who?
[23:03] <icedwater> Was it you triplez?
[23:03] <triplez> it was.... RUIWEN!
[23:04] <icedwater> ...
[23:04] <ruiwen> ?
[23:04] <icedwater> This is what I get for being serious around here.
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