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[0:00] <elfgoh> ruiwen: is hackfest this sat or next sat?
[0:00] <ruiwen> Silverwolf: Hackfest is now 17th Oct, next saturday
[0:00] <ruiwen> just confirmed, next saturday
[0:00] <elfgoh> ruiwen: heh channel topic wrong
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[0:01] <ruiwen> not any more =)
[0:01] <ruiwen> i just just just confirmed 17th anyway
[0:01] <inimical> ruiwen: pong
[0:02] <Silverwolf> ruiwen, NOOO :D Im in Hong Kong there
[0:03] <ruiwen> OH NOEZ!
[0:03] <ruiwen> damn that's a bad clash
[0:03] <Silverwolf> Yea... I was looking so much forward
[0:03] <ruiwen> i'm really sorry Silverwolf.. it was hard enough settling on 17th =(
[0:03] <Silverwolf> :p
[0:03] <ruiwen> enjoy hong kong though
[0:03] <ruiwen> it's a nice place
[0:03] <ruiwen> eat everything you see
[0:04] <Silverwolf> uhhh. Building also
[0:04] <ruiwen> inimical: saw mail about Hackfest to coreteam list?
[0:04] <ruiwen> Silverwolf: Building?
[0:05] <inimical> ruiwen: haven't been able to open hotmail today for some reason
[0:05] <inimical> malaysian internet is horribad
[0:06] <ruiwen> darn
[0:06] <elfgoh> !twitter now that's a cool tetris hack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1CMVBmWJL8
[0:06] <ruiwen> you could check mail.linuxnus.org though.. it'll be there
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[0:08] <inimical> ruiwen: i thought of that...but then i realised i set it not to save forwarded messages
[0:08] * inimical facepalms self
[0:09] * ruiwen facepalms inimical
[0:09] <inimical> maybe an anonymizer might work
[0:09] <inimical> brb
[0:09] <ruiwen> =P
[0:09] <ruiwen> inimical: or i could just tell you about it here actually
[0:09] <ruiwen> inimical: essentially, "Hackfest confirmed. Start publicity."
[0:10] <ruiwen> inimical: anyway, feel free to leave mail in there though.. we each get 7GB each i think.. which will take heck of a long time to fill
[0:11] <inimical> ruiwen: read it
[0:11] <inimical> oh ok
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[0:27] <elfgoh> !twitter Debian to have a FreeBSD kernel port in its next release: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/07/debian_freebsd_kernel/
[0:46] <yq> elfgoh: that is indeed very cool
[0:47] <elfgoh> yq: sorry not tetris lol. It's snake
[0:52] <inimical> they'd need a lot of wiring for that
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[0:57] <elfgoh> !twitter SUSE Linux User Group Singapore has a website: http://www.slug-sg.org/
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[1:58] * elfgoh wonders why the kindle isn't sold in Singapore
[2:01] <sng> elfgoh: The most likely reason is that they can't find anybody to provid the 3G access.
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[2:04] <elfgoh> sng: Found "Singapore is not among the countries eligible for wireless Whispernet." from some blogs. And no 3G access is actually quite good in Singapore
[2:04] <elfgoh> sng: though I read on some SG blogs that one could download amazon books from a PC then read them in the kindle
[2:05] <elfgoh> and it's bed time!
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[2:05] <sng> elfgoh: The fact that good 3G access exists doesn't mean that they are able to work out a contract for it's use.
[2:06] <sng> And, yes, it's true that you can do that. But, for obvious reasons, they aren't going to be too keen on selling a crippled product.
[2:06] <sng> Get a US shipping address and buy one if you want it.
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[2:33] <hyperair> is disabling tcp timestamps a good idea?
[2:33] <hyperair> it apparently shaves off 12 bytes from all tcp packets.
[2:34] <hyperair> i'm just curious if there are any implications, and whether it would not work in some cases
[2:38] <sng> Sweet semen sucking savior.
[2:38] <sng> hyperair: It's a very bad idea and why in the world would you care about 12 bytes?
[2:39] <sng> If you're in a position where that matters you need to solve the real problem.
[2:39] <hyperair> i read it off an article which claims it yields performance benefits
[2:39] <hyperair> i haven't done any real calculations
[2:39] <hyperair> heheh
[2:40] <sng> Sweet beer battered christ with a side of slaw save me from fucking ricers.
[2:40] <sng> hyperair: Sure.
[2:40] <sng> But in exchange you're giving up all your best troubleshooting tools if anything should go wrong.
[2:41] <sng> For 12 bytes?
[2:41] <sng> Can't think of anyplace where it would even *possibly* be worth it.
[2:43] <sng> hyperair: Not to mention that if you have even a little loss on a network it kind of *needs* those to function.
[2:43] <hyperair> i see
[2:44] <sng> So if you're on a lossless network where the network isn't your bottleneck at all it might speed things up. If you're on a network where the network might be a problem you just tossed all your best tools for working on it.
[2:44] <sng> This seems somewhat shortsighted to me. :)
[2:44] <hyperair> but regarding troubleshooting tools, you could probably turn it back on for troubleshooting, couldn't you?
[2:45] <sng> hyperair: Sure cause changing variables around when troublehsooting is an awesome idea. :)
[2:45] <sng> hyperair: I'd strongly suggest you go read RFC 1323. :)
[2:45] <hyperair> hmm
[2:46] <hyperair> alright, i'll do that sometime
[2:46] <hyperair> also, you could try turning it back on, reproducing the issue, *then* troubleshooting
[2:46] <hyperair> right?
[2:46] <sng> It will make it clear why this is a Very Fucking Bad Idea.
[2:46] <sng> hyperair: Sure. I think my opinion on the wisdom of that plan will be clear to you from my earlier remarks. :)
[2:48] <hyperair> in the rfc?
[2:49] <sng> hyperair: Hm?
[2:50] <sng> Yes, the RFC spells out why this is a bad idea.
[2:50] * hyperair puts it on todo list
[2:54] <sng> hyperair: Link to whatever you were reading?
[2:54] <sng> Please and thank you.
[2:55] <sng> I'm morbidly curious now. :)
[2:55] <hyperair> http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/pc/make-linux-faster-lighter-and-more-powerful-641317?artc_pg=4
[2:55] <hyperair> heheh
[2:57] <hyperair> of course, the article says 12k overhead, but that's a pretty ridiculous number so i went googling around.
[2:57] <sng> That makes my head hurt...
[2:58] <hyperair> heheh
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[11:20] <ruiwen> all the best elfgoh
[11:24] <ruiwen> anyone up for social code this weekend?
[11:28] <hyperair> sounds interesting
[11:28] <hyperair> probably the last time i travel far out of campus before my exams, heh
[11:31] <mirjam> icedwater: You asked me to remind you to come online ... oh wait
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[14:13] <maxus> anybody knows if I can bypass the proxy that M1 uses when I browse
[14:14] <maxus> I need to check some domains that I am moving to a new IP and I can't override the DNS from my hosts file because of their proxy
[14:15] <ruiwen> maxus: might web proxies help?
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[14:18] <maxus> you mean assigning my own proxy, hmm... didn't think of that one
[14:18] <maxus> i ssh'ed to the server and used lynx
[14:22] <ruiwen> didn't mean that, but that should work too =) did you manage to check the domains maxus?
[14:24] <maxus> ruiwen: somehow i managed, and lynx was quite okay to use after all
[14:24] <maxus> what did you mean
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[14:29] <ruiwen> maxus: i meant proxies you could use on like proxy.org
[14:29] <ruiwen> good to hear you got it solved though
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[22:34] <elfgoh__> lalala
[22:34] <strohi> heyhey ^^
[22:37] <elfgoh__> tiring day today
[22:38] <strohi> :]
[22:38] <elfgoh__> rolling out a mega update
[22:38] * strohi has a lot of interestings books from the library
[22:39] <elfgoh__> strohi: which genre of books?
[22:39] <strohi> mail/privacy/cryptografie
[22:39] <strohi> and one about semantic web
[22:40] <strohi> "practical cryptorgrafie with linux" is the only german one, the other are english O.o
[22:40] <strohi> i doesnt recognised that there :D
[22:41] <elfgoh__> strohi: i see. i have a lot of books waiting for me to read too
[22:41] <strohi> yea :/
[22:42] <strohi> i have about 4 book in my "have-to-read-stack" at home, too
[22:43] <strohi> elfgoh__, do you handle all the stuff in english?
[22:43] <elfgoh__> heh I got 8
[22:43] <elfgoh__> strohi: yes. i only know english and chinese
[22:43] <strohi> do you speak chinese in sg?
[22:44] <elfgoh__> strohi: yes. both english and chinese. sometimes interchangably depending on who i am with
[22:44] <strohi> hehe nice
[22:45] <strohi> in german ... you mix booth :X
[22:45] <strohi> someone call it "denglisch" a mix of deutsch and english ...
[22:45] <strohi> its ugly
[22:46] <elfgoh__> strohi: well in singapore we have singlish.
[22:47] <strohi> hehe
[22:47] <elfgoh__> some people like it but some hate it
[22:48] <strohi> here, you take some englich verbs e.g. "configure" and some people say "configgen" instead of "konfigurieren"
[22:48] <strohi> and the rest of the sentence is german
[22:49] <strohi> or you create some strange words with simple past and use this in german O.o
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[23:33] <schiv> singlisch ist gut
[23:52] <strohi> :]
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