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[0:00] <triplez_cell> ok
[0:00] <kelvinq> :)
[0:00] <triplez_cell> thanks for your generosity
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[0:02] <triplez_cell> elfgoh: I'll go for hackfest this Saturday.
[0:03] <triplez_cell> dun say I never go see you.
[0:03] <freeside> i'll donate the other n810 if i can find the power supply for it
[0:03] <freeside> the 2d physics game for it is the bestest
[0:03] <freeside> kelvinq, was that the n810 i gave ou?
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[0:05] <kelvinq> freeside: if you are who i think you are - YES!
[0:06] <triplez_cell> LOL
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[0:18] <schiv> how much does an N900 cost here?
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[0:19] * schiv is having fun modding his motorokr magx phone..he can now run bash!
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[0:21] <schiv> this f/w even has mplayer..but sadly no nonfree codecs :(
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[0:27] <triplez> harlow
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[0:29] <yq> hey triplez
[0:29] <triplez> my macbook pro is out of commission
[0:29] <triplez> i miss it
[0:29] <triplez> *sob*
[0:29] <yq> ah sorry to hear that
[0:29] <yq> what happened
[0:30] <triplez> bah.. dun wana talk about it
[0:31] <yq> alright then
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[0:41] <kelvinq> triplez: time to get a thinkpad to join the dark side.
[0:42] <triplez> haha... i owned a thinkpad before
[0:42] <triplez> many thinkpads in fact
[0:44] <kelvinq> triplez: ;) aren't you sick of the awful build quality apple laptops are?
[0:44] <kelvinq> i hate my macbook.
[0:44] <kelvinq> wth builds laptops out of aluminium?
[0:44] <triplez> kelvinq: well... you have to own one to find out and have the priviledge of complaining about it
[0:45] * kelvinq will go back to a thinkpad anytime.
[0:45] <kelvinq> if only they ran OS X - i would switch in a blink.
[0:47] <freeside> i've been quite happy with my macbook
[0:49] <triplez> i'm pretty happy with the hardware... for a normal laptop and not a "premium" laptop... i'm not impressed with the OS
[0:49] <triplez> it feels unpolished.. somehow... incomplete at certain areas
[0:52] <kelvinq> triplez: OS X is unpolished? hm. in which ways?
[0:53] <triplez> i dunno... it's just a feeling i get after using it for 4 months odd. certain things just don't feel consistent
[0:58] <kelvinq> triplez: interesting/
[0:59] <kelvinq> for one thing, the multitouch certainly isn't consistent.
[0:59] <kelvinq> and the builtin terminal SUX.
[0:59] <triplez> agreed on the terminal
[0:59] <triplez> i think finder needs more work...
[1:04] <kelvinq> compared to Windows Explorer, finder is lame.
[1:06] <triplez> LOL!!!!
[1:06] <triplez> but imo.. window explorer needs some improvements to
[1:06] <triplez> too
[1:07] <triplez> but yeah.... mac os x just feels incomplete and unpolished to me
[1:07] <kelvinq> :)
[1:07] <triplez> at least for *most* windows releases.... even though it might suck... but at least it feels somewhat complete and whole...
[1:07] <kelvinq> nautilus is none the better too.
[1:08] <triplez> but that's just me i guess
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[1:09] <hyperair> what's wrong with nautilus?
[1:09] <triplez> i guess apple does have a smaller engineering team than ms and they can't test as comprehensive as ms....
[1:10] <triplez> because now that more people are actually using macs... more bugs seems to be coming up
[1:11] <sng> Wait what?
[1:11] <sng> You didn't just imply that MS even knows what the fuck testing is. Did you?
[1:11] <hyperair> xD
[1:11] <hyperair> xDDD
[1:11] <sng> Never ever ever touched it beyond the end user level, I see.
[1:11] <triplez> and here goes the ms bashing again..
[1:11] <kelvinq> sng: have you read about the recent snow leopard bug?
[1:11] * triplez keeps quiet
[1:12] <sng> kelvinq: Saying that MS sucks isn't the same as saying Apple doesn't.
[1:12] <sng> And the snow leopard bug is pretty horrific.
[1:13] <sng> triplez: Having spent the better part of the last two weeks troubleshooting an AD bug that basic thought and testing would have prevented I'm going to assert that it's not so much "bashing" if it's fact based.
[1:13] <hyperair> what snow leopard bug?
[1:13] <hyperair> ...loss of all user data
[1:13] * hyperair notes the word "all"
[1:14] <hyperair> that's even more horrific than my ext4 horrors
[1:14] <triplez> sng: i'm not saying that windows is entirely bugless... i'm just saying it feels more complete
[1:14] <kelvinq> sng: over-reacted?
[1:14] <triplez> i totally agree with you that certain areas of windows are screwed up
[1:14] <sng> triplez: Really? Windows includes a pretty decent BSD userland and shell by default now?
[1:14] <sng> triplez: Finder *sucks* there's no arguemnt there.
[1:14] <sng> kelvinq: Huh?
[1:15] <triplez> LOL.... finder sucks... HAHHAHAH
[1:15] <triplez> agreed
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[1:16] <triplez> imo, i think snow leopard should have undergone more rigourous testing... and apple should have worked more closely with other companies to get broken drivers out for snow leopard before SL was released...
[1:16] <triplez> i find SL a little bit too rushed out
[1:17] <sng> triplez: On that point we can agree. They were trying to beat 7 and it shows.
[1:17] <triplez> yeah... i wished they would have worked on it a little more and released later
[1:17] <sng> Indeed.
[1:18] <triplez> oh well... that's life in the arena of business politics
[1:20] <sng> OTOH wake me when windows makes use of the corners, learns about Fitts's law, does anti-aliasing that isn't fucking ugly, gives me a useful shell by default, has wifi config that doesn't suck monkey balls, useful document creation out of the box, etc etc.
[1:21] <sng> I'm sorry. But "more complete" is a fucking *joke*.
[1:22] <hyperair> fitt's law? the one where moving the mouse to the corner of screen is easier than aiming for some obscure button somewhere?
[1:23] <triplez> imo, the wifi config for windows 7 is pretty decent though i still hate several parts of the networking UI crap...
[1:24] <triplez> they have changed the shell to powershell... which is pretty powerful once you learn how to use it
[1:25] <hyperair> it's slow =.=
[1:25] <sng> triplez: I'm betting it doesn't have grep, a useful ftp, ssh, etc. by default.
[1:25] <hyperair> the last time i ran powershell it felt like i was running.. command.com
[1:25] <hyperair> or something
[1:25] <hyperair> it doesn't
[1:25] <sng> hyperair: Basically, yes. There's a bit more to it than that but that's close enough for soembody who isn't really into UI design.
[1:26] <hyperair> i am, somewhat
[1:26] <hyperair> but the last time i read about fitt's law was ages back
[1:26] <hyperair> i was reading some debate regarding compiz or other
[1:27] <sng> hyperair: Coolness. :)
[1:27] <triplez> there is grep... it's just plain idiotically stupidly long which you can express simply with grep
[1:27] <triplez> :P
[1:27] <sng> I'm not following.
[1:28] <triplez> powershell has the same grep functionality.... it's just stupid
[1:28] <hyperair> okay, how do you say cat bla | grep bla
[1:28] <triplez> in grep... grep -R "mypattern" *.cpp
[1:29] <triplez> in powershell... gci C:\path\to\files\* --include *.cpp -recurse | select-string -pattern "mypattern" -caseSensitive
[1:29] <triplez> yes.. you stupid piece of crap
[1:29] <sng> triplez: Ahhhh. OK. :)
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[1:29] <hyperair> lolwut?
[1:29] <triplez> see what i mean?
[1:29] <triplez> LOL!!!!
[1:29] <hyperair> yea i see what you mean
[1:29] <sng> In other words "Ray is right." :D
[1:29] <triplez> it's there... it's just stupid
[1:29] <hyperair> ray is right?
[1:30] <triplez> hyperair: you can do all that cat stuff, piping and all that... it's just uber long and stupid
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[1:31] <hyperair> they just wanted to be different eh
[1:31] <hyperair> (and stupid, while at it)
[1:31] <hyperair> what is gci exactly?
[1:31] <hyperair> recursive cat?
[1:31] <triplez> i was like... when you've figured out how to actually make normal mortals remember and actually use it... come back to me
[1:31] <hyperair> xD
[1:32] <hyperair> also, backslashs are for escapes.
[1:32] <triplez> getchilditem... or soe shit ike that
[1:32] <hyperair> they made a fundamental error when they used \ for path separators imo
[1:32] <hyperair> they're such a pain to use
[1:32] <hyperair> i mean i can't even count how many times i've used '\ ' and \*
[1:32] <hyperair> and that functionality goes missing in powershell. whee
[1:34] <hyperair> triplez: so do they have anything like find/xargs?
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[1:35] <hyperair> my my you can do xml in powershell?
[1:35] <hyperair> that is totally ridiculous. they screw up everything else and then they add something like this to powershell =.=
[1:36] <hyperair> and lolwut oop in shell O_o
[1:37] <hyperair> well i'll agree it's pretty powerful, but in all the wrong ways
[1:38] <sng> Damned shame they didn't just use an almost borg standard BSD userland. That would have *sucked*.
[1:38] <hyperair> what?
[1:39] <triplez> lol
[1:39] <sng> hyperair: OS X has bash and a fairly complete userland by default. :)
[1:39] <hyperair> heh
[1:41] <triplez> alrighty.. nice chat guys... :) complaining is a great stress reliever
[1:43] <triplez> no macbook pro = not on a familiar laptop = super stressed out = complain a lot
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[1:45] <sng> triplez: Yep. Ranting for a bit is always useful on that front. :)
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[1:52] <elfgoh> ruiwen!
[1:52] * elfgoh tackles
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[1:53] <ruiwen> heh yes elfgoh triplez?
[1:54] <triplez> how is deployment?
[1:54] <ruiwen> pblah
[1:54] <triplez> ??
[1:54] <ruiwen> not smooth
[1:54] <triplez> lol
[1:54] <triplez> awww
[1:55] <triplez> but done
[1:55] <triplez> ??
[1:56] <elfgoh> ruiwen: no staging?
[1:56] <ruiwen> triplez: not really.. still a bit more to go tomorrow
[1:57] <ruiwen> elfgoh: had one (sortof) but we still missed some stuff apparently
[2:03] <singh_> hey ruiwen, i guess i will be coming for the hackfest, so can meet there and discuss? can?
[2:03] <hyperair> yay now all my music is nicely replay-gained
[2:03] <ruiwen> singh_: great to hear =) see you at hackfest then
[2:03] <hyperair> well all my mp3s anyway
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[2:03] <ruiwen> singh_: midterms over?
[2:04] <singh_> yep all done now and am glad that i scored above average :D
[2:04] <ruiwen> singh_: excellent, congrats =)
[2:04] <singh_> thanks! btw, tell me what kinda stuff is usually there on hackfest?
[2:05] <elfgoh> singh_: everyone brings an axe
[2:05] <elfgoh> those who don't bring one get hacked
[2:05] <elfgoh> otherwise the furniture usually suffices
[2:06] * ruiwen gives elfgoh the Useful Answer Award
[2:06] * jmarki likes that answer
[2:07] <singh_> haha.. yeah i remember, a computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing :P
[2:09] <ruiwen> singh_: heh yeah, heard computers aren't very good at that physical activity nonsense =P
[2:10] <ruiwen> singh_: but yeah, no restriction of projects at Hackfest.. you have something to hack on, just bring it on down
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[2:15] <singh_> yeah thats good. so see the axe-men there
[2:17] <elfgoh> There will be X men
[2:18] <singh_> yes a new breed with varied levels of geekiness!
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[2:37] <elfgoh> http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=Hz&q=intellectual+masturbation+linuxnus&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
[2:37] <elfgoh> well well
[3:20] <cyberjames> lol
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[9:01] <jarick> !
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[10:21] <triplez> test test
[10:35] <hyperair> test test
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[12:06] <ruiwen> hey all.. our Hackfest venue is down this weekend
[12:06] <ruiwen> anyone have suggestions for an alternate venue?
[12:11] <triplez> MS?
[12:11] <ruiwen> i guess that's an alternative
[12:12] <hyperair> NTU!
[12:12] * hyperair hides
[12:12] <triplez> SMU?
[12:18] <ruiwen> anybody have good contacts?
[12:26] <ruiwen> !twitter Venue for tomorrow's Hackfest is down! Does anyone have a venue to spare for the day tomorrow to host Hackfest?
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[12:42] <triplez> ruiwen ruiwen ruiwen1
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[12:42] <ruiwen> triplez: ?
[12:42] <triplez> lalala
[12:42] * triplez licks ruiwen
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[13:20] <dwu> squee?
[13:20] <dwu> ruiwen: your office?
[13:31] <elfgoh> ngiin probably isn't able to get the venue..
[13:32] <Gwayne> mmmm, triplez licks ruiwen <-- triplez has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) Does that prove that ruiwen is poisonous ?
[13:35] <ruiwen> hm.. i probably should've showered this morning =P
[13:36] <ruiwen> dwu: my office.. slightly out of the way for a public event though.. was hoping to get somewhere more central
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[13:40] <singh_> hey ruiwen, so found anything for the hackfest?
[13:40] <ruiwen> singh_: nope, not yet
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[15:59] <ruiwen> w00t! Hackfest is saved =)
[15:59] <ruiwen> Wego's hosting us
[16:01] <Gwayne> With food ?
[16:02] <Gwayne> And booze ?
[16:02] <Gwayne> And sexy kernel chicks ?
[16:04] <triplez> ruiwen: yay... time?
[16:06] <ruiwen> triplez: i assumed 1-6pm as before, but mailed again to ask to be sure
[16:07] <ruiwen> Gwayne: those might be tricky =P
[16:07] <ruiwen> Gwayne: can you provide?
[16:08] <ruiwen> yes, 1-6pm
[16:09] <hyperair> sexy kernel chicks? O_o
[16:09] <hyperair> also where is wego?
[16:10] <ruiwen> 53B Boat Quay
[16:10] <ruiwen> walk along the boat quay waterfront till you see "wego" on a glass door between 2 seafood restaurants
[16:11] <hyperair> which mrt's nearest?
[16:11] <triplez> sigh... i'm super busy next week.. every evening is packed
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[16:11] <triplez> clarke quay
[16:11] <ruiwen> hyperair: raffles place i should think
[16:11] <hyperair> aah there. i see
[16:11] <ruiwen> well you could do either
[16:12] <hyperair> clarke quay eh. i think i've wandered around that area before while searching for ocbc centre
[16:13] <ruiwen> !twitter linuxNUS Hackfest venue changed to Wego, 53B Boat Quay. 1-6pm as usual.
[16:14] <Gwayne> If no sexy kernel chicks I wont be there !
[16:20] <ruiwen> triplez: your laptop's gone for repair? how will you attend hackfest then?
[16:21] <triplez> duno.. use this laptop
[16:22] <ruiwen> office laptop?
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[16:28] <triplez> nah... one of my many spare laptops
[16:29] <triplez> thanks for the retweet ruiwen... :P
[16:31] <triplez> and apple has the worst service repair in singapore...
[16:31] <triplez> who takes 5 days to diagnose what's wrong with a laptop?
[16:31] <triplez> JUST DIAGNOSE!
[16:31] <triplez> NOT EVEN REPAIR... sig
[16:32] <ruiwen> that's quite duh.
[16:32] <ruiwen> which shop did you go to?
[16:32] <triplez> the one at funan
[16:33] <ruiwen> mc2?
[16:39] <Gwayne> my thinkpad was back in 2 days ;-)
[16:42] <triplez> Gwayne: i know.. my thinkpad last time was back in 1 day
[16:45] <triplez> ruiwen: sapura
[16:46] <Gwayne> :-)
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[17:05] <triplez> can someone update the blogpost on linuxnus/
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[19:57] <dwu> yeeeargh \o/ freedom
[20:07] <jarick> dwu: I just watched an eejit entertain the rest of the boat by dancing and singing while booking out.
[20:08] <dwu> You book out on Fridays? Pft.
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[20:09] <jarick> dwu: I'm experiencing a BMT recourse.
[20:09] <dwu> I know you are. But still.
[20:09] <jarick> It's amusing, considering that the central store IC is in my section.
[20:10] <jarick> "Sarge, can I disappear for a couple of moments with our cage trolley?" "Why?" "Trust me."
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[20:51] * jmarki changes topic to 'NUS Students' Linux User Group : http://linuxNUS.org | Forums: http://opensource.nus.edu.sg/forums | Wiki: http://opensource.nus.edu.sg | Mailing list: http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/linuxnus | Have you seen #ntuoss #ubuntu-sg #codeandroid ? | SG OSS Groups: http://groups.google.com/group/foss-sg?hl=en | Logs: http://opensource.nus.edu.sg/irc/logs/ | Twitter for linuxNUS: !twitter <msg> | Hackfest, 17 Oct, Wego.com office@53B Boat Quay, 1-6p'
[20:51] * jmarki changes topic to 'NUS Students' Linux User Group : http://linuxNUS.org | Forums: http://opensource.nus.edu.sg/forums | Wiki: http://opensource.nus.edu.sg | Mailing list: http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/linuxnus | Have you seen #ntuoss #ubuntu-sg #codeandroid ? | SG OSS Groups: http://groups.google.com/group/foss-sg?hl=en | Logs: http://opensource.nus.edu.sg/irc/logs/ | Twitter for linuxNUS: !twitter <msg> | Hackfest, 17 Oct, Wego.com office53B Boat Quay, 1-6pm'
[20:52] * jmarki changes topic to 'NUS Students' Linux User Group : http://linuxNUS.org | Forums: http://opensource.nus.edu.sg/forums | Wiki: http://opensource.nus.edu.sg | Mailing list: http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/linuxnus | Have you seen #ntuoss #ubuntu-sg #codeandroid ? | SG OSS Groups: http://groups.google.com/group/foss-sg?hl=en | Logs: http://opensource.nus.edu.sg/irc/logs/ | Twitter for linuxNUS: !twitter <msg> | Hackfest, 17 Oct, Wego.com office@53B Boat Quay, 1-6p'
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[20:53] <maxus> !seen ruiwen
[20:53] <megan_> I last saw ruiwen on Fri Oct 16 18:35:56 2009.
[20:53] <maxus> out to celebrate Deepawali i guess....
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[21:03] <elfgoh> hello cdrigby
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[21:06] <elfgoh> cdrigby1: bad network?
[21:07] <cdrigby1> No, just reconfiguring so that I'm using Pidgin for IRC rather than the web interface you showed me. I guess "cdrigby" nick was still registered, so I got a "cdrigby1" on join from freenode.
[21:08] <cdrigby1> Pidgin is just easier for me to use, plus I can keep all the active chats in one window.
[21:09] <elfgoh> cdrigby1: I see. Btw pidgin 2.6.3 is just out
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[21:09] <elfgoh> cdrigby1: not using empathy yet?
[21:09] * elfgoh hasn't tried empathy yet
[21:10] <cdrigby1> elfgoh: No, I haven't tried empathy yet.
[21:10] <cdrigby1> elfgoh: so many toys, so little time! :-D
[21:10] <Gwayne> Use kde :P
[21:11] <cdrigby1> Gwayne: bit early in the day here in the US for a religious war! >:o
[21:11] <elfgoh> Gwayne: glad to see http://www.slug-sg.org/Lizard-Box btw
[21:12] <elfgoh> Am going to put up a blurp about that
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[21:44] <cdrigby1> g'night Singapore
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[22:38] <thelaptop|mobile> huh
[22:38] <thelaptop|mobile> hackfest changed location?
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[22:43] <thelaptop|mobile> hmmm okay
[22:43] <thelaptop|mobile> are we expecting any more changes?
[22:46] <Gwayne> So who are waving :-)
[22:47] <thelaptop|mobile> huh waving?
[22:57] <Gwayne> Google wave :-)
[23:01] <elfgoh> Gwayne: freeside and ruiwen are waving
[23:08] <freeside> ohai
[23:16] <Gwayne> yeah I did see them elfgoh ;-)
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[23:33] <elfgoh> Gwayne: i wanna wave but still waiting for my invite to be processed
[23:33] <Gwayne> happy Dīpāvali or Deepavali ;-)
[23:33] <elfgoh> Should come next week i think
[23:33] <elfgoh> yay!
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