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[0:31] <triplez> MY MACBOOK PRO
[0:31] <triplez> I LOVE YOU
[0:31] <triplez> it's back!
[0:31] <yq> heah
[0:31] <yq> triplez: shes back for the party tm
[0:31] <yq> tmr
[0:32] <triplez> err... it's saturday..
[0:33] <yq> AY...
[0:33] <yq> hrmmmm got that noted wrongly..
[0:33] <yq> =(
[0:33] <hyperair> ;
[0:34] <hyperair> saturday
[0:34] <hyperair> ?
[0:34] <hyperair> O_o
[0:35] <triplez> lol
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[0:40] <icedwater> Hey folks :P
[0:40] <icedwater> I did my computer in today. Whee.
[0:40] <hyperair> fun
[0:41] <icedwater> After shifting partitions around, I can't boot now ... and I get a Grub error 17.
[0:41] <icedwater> Which should be easy to fix, but none of the fixes is working.
[0:41] <icedwater> I think grub is crying because my ntfs volume can't mount, since it's marked dirty and needs chkdsk.
[0:41] <hyperair> O_o
[0:42] <hyperair> grub doesn't have ntfs support
[0:42] <hyperair> does it?
[0:42] <yq> icedwater: that sux.. i had that when i was moving my wubi to a real partition... i've got that too.... ended up doing a new installation
[0:42] <hyperair> if it does, why, oh why are you using ntfs with grub?!
[0:42] <icedwater> So if I can't boot into Windows, I can't run chkdsk on the drive, and I can't boot.
[0:42] <hyperair> icedwater: get a grub disk.
[0:42] <icedwater> hyperair: It doesn't have ntfs support, I just happen to have ntfs partitions here.
[0:42] <icedwater> Super Grub Disk gave me Grub Geom Error :P
[0:42] <hyperair> wut?
[0:43] <icedwater> I'm working on Parted Magic now.
[0:43] <hyperair> i mean make your own
[0:43] <hyperair> it's easy enough with the first grub
[0:43] <icedwater> Ohhhhhhhkayyyyyyyyyyyyy....
[0:43] <hyperair> no idea how to do one with grub2 though
[0:43] <icedwater> Hm.
[0:43] * icedwater goes to google.
[0:43] <icedwater> Incidentally, how's everything out there in warmland?
[0:44] <icedwater> It hasn't been above 10 degrees too often here ... and winter's not officially here yet, whee.
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[0:44] <icedwater> OK ... anyhow, I have super grub disk already, why should I make my own?
[0:45] <hyperair> basically you copy in /boot/grub/stage{1{,_5},2} to /media/vol/grub/ and then from a grub prompt, run find /grub/stage1, figure out which one is your removable device (diskette/usb), then root (hdN,M) followed by setup (hdN)
[0:45] <hyperair> dunno. i've never used the super grub disk
[0:45] <hyperair> the one i'm talking about should give you a grub console enough to chainload your windows partition
[0:47] <icedwater> Wait, it's setup (hdN) ? I tried setup (hdN,M) earlier and it didn't complain...
[0:47] <icedwater> Let me see if I just fixed the problem.
[0:47] <hyperair> well it depends which MBR you'er writing to
[0:47] <hyperair> hdN,M writes to the partition's MBR
[0:47] <hyperair> afaik
[0:47] <hyperair> hdN writes to the hard disk's MBr
[0:47] <icedwater> Hm, I see. Which would be useless. :P
[0:47] <hyperair> MBR*
[0:47] <icedwater> OK, brb.
[0:48] * icedwater waves
[0:48] <hyperair> not completely useless
[0:48] <hyperair> it's good for chainloading
[0:48] <icedwater> But I can't even get to a grub prompt, so.
[0:48] <hyperair> heh
[0:48] <hyperair> fun stuff =p
[0:48] <icedwater> Well, leave all remarks here, I will try rebooting and see if I can get it to work.
[0:48] <icedwater> Brb!
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[1:15] <icedwater> Well....
[1:15] <icedwater> It didn't work that well, but at least Grub got through and I'm on Debian now.
[1:15] <ruiwen> yay
[1:15] <icedwater> I still can't boot Windows, going to retry randomly because I used to have patches where Windows refused to boot until the xth reboot.
[1:16] <icedwater> Now ... I need to get me some dinner.
[1:16] <icedwater> This particularly sucks because I took a bus 30 minutes out of the hostel just to access the Uni's WLAN in case I needed to download something.
[1:17] <icedwater> Hostel LAN traffic is capped at 4GB per calendar month :P
[1:17] <icedwater> So, I notice Hackfest was cancelled, among other things?
[1:17] <icedwater> According to the emails, at any rate.
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[1:19] <ruiwen> not cancelled
[1:19] <ruiwen> almost cancelled
[1:19] <ruiwen> wego hosted us in the end
[1:19] <triplez> :)
[1:19] <icedwater> Nice, how many people showed up?
[1:19] <triplez> 10-ish
[1:19] <triplez> the usual number
[1:20] <icedwater> The usual people?
[1:21] <onetom> but it was more like a chill out then a hackfest :)
[1:21] <onetom> i tried to install fedora, moblin and finally arch onto my eee 1101ha -- no luck
[1:22] <onetom> one is worse than the other..
[1:22] <ruiwen> onetom: oh, it didn't work in the end?
[1:23] <onetom> but at least for some ppl it was useful info that u can boot from an SD card and can access internet w mobile thru usb from command line
[1:23] <schiv> what do you mean by "worse"?
[1:24] <onetom> well, X came up manually finally but only w vesa driver, wrong resolution and no mouse..
[1:24] <onetom> schiv: fedora wasnt even be able to find it's install image
[1:24] <onetom> after booting and verifying the sd card
[1:25] <onetom> arch started with a circual dependency right after installation
[1:26] <onetom> moblin just freezes. i cant even get a console screen to see whats happening (i didnt turn off the splash from grub yet tho)
[1:27] <onetom> ubuntu worked after some hack but the display driver hung after waking from sleep
[1:28] <onetom> i've even tried limiting the memory from the mem kernel option from 2048M to 2000M
[1:28] <onetom> i dont even want fast graphics, just long battery life
[1:28] <onetom> and correct resolution
[1:29] <onetom> so i wouldnt even mind a moderate performance vesa driver
[1:29] <onetom> but it's linux at 2009..
[1:29] <onetom> and i just downloaded 30M touchpad driver for the xp this shit came with
[1:30] <onetom> and 30M vga driver
[1:30] <onetom> even 3k is too much for a touchpad driver
[1:30] <onetom> i would forgive 300k for vga driver
[1:30] <onetom> but 30-30M?!!!??!? wft!!!
[1:39] <onetom> just to make it clear for u here is an IDE driver (just a sector read/write without any OS interface, but that IS the driver itslef..)
[1:40] <onetom> bsy 1f7 p@ 80 and if bsy ; then ;
[1:40] <onetom> rdy 1f7 p@ 8 and if 1f0 a! 256 ; then rdy ;
[1:40] <onetom> write bsy 30 sector 256 for rdy outsw next drop ;
[1:40] <onetom> sector 1f3 a! swap p!+ /8 p!+ /8 p!+ /8 e0 or p!+ drop p!+ drop 4 * ;
[1:40] <onetom> read 20 sector 256 for rdy insw next drop ;
[1:40] <onetom> oops, i wanted to paste the url
[1:40] <onetom> http://www.colorforth.com/ide.html
[1:48] <schiv> is the 1101ha special/problematic with regards to linux (in)compatibility?
[1:50] * schiv is going to get a 1005
[1:53] <icedwater> onetom: I don't think that was an oops, heh.
[1:53] <icedwater> All the same, colorforth sounds like an interesting variant of ... assembly.
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[1:54] <icedwater> Hallo strohi, hast du schon gegessen?
[1:54] <strohi> hey icedwater , nein
[1:54] <strohi> wieso?
[1:55] <icedwater> Nix, dass war nur eine Begrüßung :)
[1:55] <strohi> ok :]
[1:55] <icedwater> Ich auch nicht, übrigens
[1:55] <strohi> frühstück? ^^
[1:59] <onetom> icedwater: i was accidental. i just had it in the clipboard because i wanted to measure the source code size
[2:00] <onetom> and it's not assembly at all. faaar from it!
[2:00] <icedwater> onetom: Hehe, OK. Just playing :)
[2:00] <icedwater> strohi: Nee, Abendessen.
[2:00] <onetom> this specific code looks like assembly because the choosen names are all abbreviated
[2:00] <icedwater> I see, I see.
[2:00] <strohi> ah ok :)
[2:00] <icedwater> insw particularly
[2:00] <onetom> but it's because the creator of forth has very bad eyes nowadays
[2:01] <onetom> and he uses 40x25 resolution for his work
[2:01] <schiv> onetom: someone just got wifi working on a 1101 :)
[2:02] <onetom> insw means the corresponding asm instruction indeed
[2:02] <strohi> icedwater, nehm grad an einem accessmentcenter für die mailidee teil :)
[2:03] <icedwater> Achso. Viel Spass!
[2:03] <onetom> schiv: yes, i was googling before buying it but wikipedia said it supports linux :)
[2:03] <icedwater> OK dinner is waiting to be decided (and then cooked... sigh.)
[2:03] <icedwater> Ciao!
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[2:04] <onetom> schiv: someone also said fedora supports this model out of the box..
[2:05] <schiv> onetom: i thought you were that guy in #archlinux lol - what a coincidence
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[2:16] <ruiwen> goodnight all
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[2:19] <onetom> schiv: nope, im a gentoo guy. this was the 1st time 1 touched arch
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[2:20] <schiv> onetom: well, at least there's confirmation that linux does work on that thing.
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[2:27] <onetom> schiv: well, linux works on anything and most chips have drivers
[2:27] <onetom> the problem is the integration of all these and the easy updating
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[2:28] <onetom> on ubuntu it was possible w the statux drivers (or what was the name)
[2:28] <onetom> but the maintainer guy got fed up w ubuntu's always changing api
[2:28] <hyperair> statux drivers?
[2:28] <hyperair> what api?
[2:29] <onetom> http://www.statux.org/content
[2:29] <onetom> click on the link if u want to know his full story
[2:29] <onetom> http://www.fewt.com/2009/10/i-give-up.html
[2:29] <onetom> (this link. just to make sure)
[2:31] <onetom> hm.. his next entry is also interesting...
[2:31] <onetom> too bad i hate debian already for yrs ;D
[2:32] <hyperair> heh
[2:32] <hyperair> in all honesty, 9.04 drove me up the wall as well
[2:32] <hyperair> which is why i skipped a release and jumped straight onto the alpha
[2:32] <hyperair> 9.10 looks to be a pretty good release
[2:33] <hyperair> but i agree that 8.10 had to be among the most rock-solid of ubuntu releases
[2:33] <hyperair> that said, it's not that ubuntu sucks, it's that upstream totally sucked.
[2:33] <schiv> good thing i don't have to care about releases =p
[2:33] <hyperair> ubuntu has a release schedule it just had to keep to
[2:33] <hyperair> and eventhough the bug was reported, nobody could really nail it down
[2:34] <schiv> hyperair: i'd agree on that..especially xorg.
[2:34] <hyperair> yes
[2:34] <hyperair> xorg, and the intel driver in the kernel
[2:34] <hyperair> they completely sucked until ~2.8.0
[2:34] <hyperair> i think
[2:34] <schiv> don't even talk about the intel driver..it was a mess all this while until now.
[2:34] <hyperair> heh
[2:35] <hyperair> xorg's been pretty stable in the sense that it was (in)sane all the way
[2:35] <hyperair> but the intel driver's big revamp really screwed things up big time
[2:35] <hyperair> 9.04 was pretty much an all time low for ubuntu releases imo
[2:37] <schiv> if at a release upstream is good and rosy, then it will all be good and rosy. for the most part i'd presume.
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[2:38] <hyperair> yeah pretty much
[2:38] <hyperair> there are only so many fixes you can backport
[2:38] <hyperair> and you can't cherry-pick fixes which don't exist yet
[2:38] <hyperair> which was the main issue of 9.04
[2:42] <hyperair> upgrades at 5MB/s win =p
[2:43] <hyperair> now if only ppa.launchpad.net was nearer to singapore or served files faster..
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[5:24] <onetom> hmm.. im a bit lost.. so nothing will happen today morning regarding the venues or furniture?
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[10:01] <singh> hey good morning ruiwen and elfgoh
[10:01] <ruiwen> hey... morning singh
[10:02] <singh> its sad that we missed the event opportunity, perhaps we as the new coreteam were not active enough
[10:03] <ruiwen> it's unfortunate =(
[10:03] <ruiwen> but a good learning point too i think
[10:03] <ruiwen> at least we now know what we're lacking
[10:03] <singh> ruiwen: i was wondering if linuxNUS has any meetings or anything, where we get to interact with our fellow members?
[10:04] <ruiwen> singh: yes there should be regular meetups.. but again, that's for the active coreteam to initiate
[10:04] <ruiwen> that said, if there's anything that requires alumni help, i think all of us are more than ready to jump in
[10:05] <ruiwen> so just let us know what you guys need in terms of support
[10:07] <singh> yes, i just know daniel, elfgoh, you and the new fellow 2-3 members(whom i have never seen after daniel recruted us!).. so i was hoping to meet the group some time, just as a brief meetup for the team. So that the next time we are active and know whom to approach for what and get the thing working.
[10:08] <ruiwen> singh: sounds like a great idea =)
[10:09] <singh> yep. we could also present some of our ideas for the community and be up to date with the events.
[10:09] <singh> i guess i will contact daniel for some meetup
[10:09] <ruiwen> singh: would be great if you could put it together with the coreteam and and let the alumni know when and where.. i'm sure we'd be happy to attend =)
[10:10] <singh> thats great. i will be on it
[10:10] <ruiwen> great stuff singh, looking forward
[10:20] <elfgoh__> hi singh. was afk
[10:22] <singh> hey elfgoh! as discussed here, I am planning to gather the new coreteam to kick start the activity
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[10:26] <triplez> lalala
[10:29] <triplez> singh doesn't know me??? how sad
[10:30] <triplez> no seriously... i'm sadden by this fact
[10:30] <singh> hey triplez! i guess i know u
[10:30] <elfgoh__> triplez: it appears you are not awesome enough ;)
[10:30] <triplez> sigh... i'm the person who saved your laptop
[10:30] <elfgoh__> xD
[10:30] <singh> yeah how can i forget you dear!
[10:31] <triplez> sigh
[10:31] <triplez> how sad
[10:31] <triplez> you only said you knew daniel, elfgoh and ruiwen
[10:31] <triplez> sighhhh.......
[10:32] <elfgoh__> onetom: viewing of aljunied location is on fri and sat morning. i think you said you are coming on sat morning. please check with ruiwen regarding furniture.
[10:32] <singh> ooo... apologies for that.. but the idea to be presented was that i knew not many people in the community
[10:34] <triplez> sigh.... *sobs in one corner*
[10:34] <ruiwen> onetom: can you make it to view furniture at around 10am on friday?
[10:35] <singh> triplez: btw, after that i again screwed my laptop with another installation of a fedora and solaris. and now i am back on ubuntu and 7. thanks to you for the recovering skills :D
[10:36] <triplez> ..... whatttttt
[10:36] <triplez> you screwed it again?
[10:36] <triplez> *sigh*
[10:37] <singh> but its fine now!! i guess i will get some old machine to try and play.. not my lappy :P
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[10:38] <elfgoh__> oh! win 7 is out today!
[10:38] <triplez> yes it is
[10:46] <elfgoh__> *wonders if the coreteam meeting can be a hon-y night*
[10:49] <triplez> lol
[10:51] <elfgoh__> well i still have beta keys
[10:51] <elfgoh__> and they definitely have even more heroes now
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[15:18] <ruiwen> onetom: would you happen to know if "malacod van" is a hungarian phrase?
[15:25] <onetom> yeah, it means u just had luck
[15:26] <onetom> coz the symbol of luck is a pig or a 4 leaves <idontknowthenameofthatplant>
[15:26] <onetom> and malac means pig
[15:26] <ruiwen> onetom: oh oke, thanks
[15:26] <ruiwen> onetom: so it just means "got lucky"?
[15:27] <onetom> rightnow
[15:27] <ruiwen> onetom: ah cool thanks =)
[15:28] <onetom> where did u get this btw?
[15:28] <ruiwen> onetom: oh my friend is wearing a shirt that says that today.. was just wondering what it meant
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[16:02] <icedwater> Hello folks! :)
[16:02] * icedwater notices that this is traditionally a quiet zone for #linuxnus...
[16:02] <icedwater> How's lectures coming along for everyone?
[16:02] <icedwater> ruiwen: ping
[16:07] <ruiwen> icedwater: yes?
[16:07] <icedwater> See msg, heh.
[16:08] <icedwater> duress: Hello, you're new here. :) Have we met?
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[16:24] <icedwater> Hello yq!
[16:24] <yq> icedwater: heyy
[16:25] <icedwater> What have you been up to lately?
[16:27] <yq> busy.. coding =P
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[16:32] <icedwater> Ah, work.
[16:32] <icedwater> I'm learning Prolog now, a bit slowly though.
[16:32] <icedwater> Plans for Python/PHP/Perl have had to be shelved for another P-language.
[16:34] <yq> i see..
[16:34] <yq> not heading for rails/ ror?
[16:34] <icedwater> Nope ... need a crash course on Prolog because of AI stuff that's coming up.
[16:35] <ruiwen> RoAR
[16:35] <icedwater> ruiwen: That would be just one rail, hence Ruby on A Rail ...
[16:36] <icedwater> yq: Interest is there, but necessity+interest > interest alone :P
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[16:36] <ruiwen> heh the half complete ruby framework
[16:37] <yq> ruiwen: what do you mean by that?
[16:38] <icedwater> yq: RoAR.
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[16:40] <icedwater> Welcome back triplez :)
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[16:49] <icedwater> Oh well. I'll leave for now, maybe come back when it's more lively :)
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[17:05] <dwu> rar
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[20:27] <yq> elfgoh:
[20:35] <elfgoh> yq: yes?
[20:35] <yq> meeting up tmr morn?
[20:35] <elfgoh> yes
[20:35] <elfgoh> 9am at Yu Li building lift lobby
[20:38] <yq> ay u need a lift? can go together
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[20:42] <elfgoh> yq: Think it's alrite
[20:42] <elfgoh> tampines to aljunied is ok I think
[20:42] <yq> okays
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[21:14] <dqminh> elfgoh, do you remember how did we get permission to display the LXDE talk's poster last time ?
[21:15] <elfgoh> dqminh: huh? I thought you did that. No I have no idea... I think we got chop from comp club?
[21:16] <dqminh> elfgoh, no I didnt.
[21:17] <elfgoh> dqminh: Think our posters had a chop from NUSSU
[21:17] <dqminh> its given by Comp Club I think
[21:21] <dqminh> elfgoh, i'm sending an email to aldrian, our new member. He will be in charge of PUG poster. Can you explain the poster details to him ?
[21:21] <elfgoh> dqminh: What details?
[21:22] <dqminh> elfgoh, aldrian is asking about the details ( probably why we want to do this I guess ) so he can explain in the email to undergrad office
[21:22] <elfgoh> dqminh: I email when I go home
[21:23] <dqminh> elfgoh, sure ;) Havent gone home yet ?
[21:23] <elfgoh> dqminh: no i am really very busy
[21:23] <elfgoh> that's why not going codeandroid today
[21:24] <dqminh> elfgoh, i had project meeting :(
[21:24] <dqminh> too
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[22:19] <elfgoh__> patrickhaller: are you aware of plans to visit aljunied for hackerspace locations tomorrow and morning?
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[22:32] <elfgoh__> yq: do you have a camera that you can bring tomorrow?
[22:33] <yq> ok
[22:33] <elfgoh__> yq: cool tks!
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