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[1:31] <elfgoh> Hmmm I read a tweet saying that Windows and Mac still not supportign USB 3.0 yet
[1:32] <jamestyj> does that matter?
[1:32] <strohi> i found linuxsupport some days ago in the kernel ^^
[1:33] <jamestyj> when are USB 3.0 devices hitting the market?
[1:35] <strohi> and can i build my own?
[1:37] <maxus> FireWire 800 hasn't really taken off either
[1:37] <maxus> sometimes the bottleneck is not in the bus but elsewhere
[1:38] <jamestyj> yeah
[1:40] <maxus> Intel is rolling out chipsets in 2011
[1:40] <maxus> says engadget
[1:40] <maxus> If I'm not wrong the USB standard also existed for a while before Apple made it popular
[1:42] <strohi> why should apple made it popular?
[1:42] <maxus> they made it just about the only useable port on the iMacs
[1:42] <strohi> i thougt they invented firewire?
[1:42] <maxus> and there weren't really many USB peripherals at that time
[1:43] <strohi> ok
[1:43] <maxus> and yes, they delivered FireWire with high speed way before USB 2
[1:44] <maxus> for some reason, Apple was slower at adopting USB2...
[1:46] <maxus> right now, the only USB 3.0 device you can get is a cable
[1:46] <maxus> if that can be called a device
[1:47] <strohi> =D
[1:47] <strohi> hat some powerconsumption "features"?
[1:48] <maxus> before the iMac hooking up stuff to a mac required SCSI, Apple Desktop Bus or serial ports
[1:49] <schiv> my disk can't even read at 1G..not to mention 4.8
[1:52] <maxus> one cool feature of the Apple Desktop Bus was being able to wake up the entire house when your cat walked across the keyboard at night and cause the mac to boot with the startup chime
[1:52] <maxus> since Apple put the power key on the keyboard
[1:54] <strohi> :)
[1:56] <hyperair> there are some ps/2 keyboards which can do that too
[1:57] <maxus> speaking of buses… Macs were provided with 2 serial ports, but Apple called them the Printer port and Modem port
[1:58] <hyperair> all i know is that they like to be different with everything, including the display =.=
[1:58] <hyperair> the display port i mean
[1:58] <maxus> yes, they keep changing it to sell more adapters, that's really annoying
[1:59] <elfgoh> jamestyj: Yes it matters as a reminder to why Windows and Mac are more popular than Linux. Cutting edge support for the latest (but non mainstream) technologies is not necessarily for popularity.
[1:59] <jamestyj> elfgoh: yup. people want daily stuff to work and work well. linux isn't so good at that.
[2:02] <strohi> the people began to think about how to run away, when the hear the word "linux"
[2:03] <maxus> i feel the thing is more that linux requires some sort of configuration for daily stuff to work and work well
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[2:04] <maxus> whereas a Mac can definitely just "work" and a windows machine will "work" most of the time
[2:04] <strohi> the poeple know, that windows was never stable ...
[2:05] <strohi> and they know, too, that nobody can change that ... and they have an apology, beeing unproduktive ;)
[2:06] <jamestyj> hrm
[2:07] <jamestyj> to make a good desktop OS requires a lot of resources (time + money)
[2:07] <jamestyj> no company in the linux world has done that yet
[2:07] <strohi> the stundents come to school and say, " yea my printer dont want to work .. "e tc .. and the teacher accept that, becouse he know this problem
[2:07] <jamestyj> of cos ubuntu is making great progress
[2:08] <schiv> ubuntu was mentioned in bbc a while ago
[2:08] <jamestyj> but still mac os and windows has many years of head start
[2:08] <schiv> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8326264.stm
[2:08] <schiv> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/24_hours_with_ubuntu.html
[2:09] <jamestyj> schiv: sure there's a lot of media coverage, but mainstream adoption is still quite far away
[2:10] <jamestyj> anyway i think ubuntu is doing a great job with the linux desktop
[2:10] <schiv> jamestyj: there will be no such thing as "mainstream adoption" until the kernel is forked into a "Linux for Desktops", which see BFS being an early catalyst for.
[2:11] <schiv> I see*
[2:11] <jamestyj> too bad ubuntu doesn't contribute back that much code
[2:11] <jamestyj> schiv: hrm i don't know about that
[2:12] <strohi> and apple nearly none
[2:12] <jamestyj> schiv: of course there will be advantages forking the kernel for desktops, but also a lot of disadvantages (fragmenting the community, etc)
[2:12] <schiv> jamestyj: hence, no likely mainstream adoption
[2:13] <jamestyj> schiv: yeah it's hard to see linux being a serious player in the desktop world any time soon
[2:14] <strohi> the biggest problem could be, that every "major"distro had an other version of the apps and libs
[2:15] <jamestyj> strohi: yes this fragmented distro landscape is a double edged sword
[2:16] <jamestyj> this could be a good conversation to talk about over some beer ;)
[2:16] <strohi> yea
[2:17] <jamestyj> strohi: you're in germany right?
[2:17] <strohi> do you want come to berlin? :P
[2:17] <strohi> yea
[2:17] <strohi> near 12,6/54,2 or so :X
[2:17] <jamestyj> strohi: sure, but maybe in spring ;)
[2:18] <strohi> do you like to jump?
[2:18] <jamestyj> strohi: you can swing by next month when we have the openSUSE 11.2 release party here in nuremberg
[2:18] <jamestyj> strohi: jump?
[2:18] <jamestyj> near 12,6/54,2 ?
[2:18] <strohi> jump ... think about what "spring" means in german
[2:19] <strohi> gps coord
[2:19] <strohi> or no ... not gps ... the earthgrid
[2:19] <strohi> 12.6 east ... 54..northern ..
[2:21] <strohi> not the translation, the german word spring
[2:23] <jamestyj> strohi: heh okies
[2:23] <strohi> what should be the goal of the discussion over some bear? ;)
[2:24] <jamestyj> :)
[2:26] <elfgoh> !twitter Any singaporeans going to Gnome Asia Summit 2009 in Vietnam? http://linuxnus.org/2009/10/28/gnome-asia-summit-2009/
[2:26] <strohi> tell me ^^
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[3:16] <strohi> jamestyj, i'm thinking about how to arrange a open msdnaa-clon ;)
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[8:09] <davidc_> oo mario's going?
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[9:59] <elfgoh__> davidc_ well he better be, for he's the chairman
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[12:26] <elfgoh> !twitter Nice UI alternative for Openoffice.org? http://my.opera.com/it-s/blog/an-office-suite-for-people
[12:54] <kelvinq> good sharing elfgoh. thanks.
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[12:58] <maxus> this looks a lot like the inspector that ships in Office Mac ;)
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[13:10] <maxus> it seems like the phone companies don't want new business...
[13:10] <maxus> Singtel has issues with their phone waiting system, and starhub's site is down
[13:10] <maxus> http://www.starhub.com/business
[13:13] <ruiwen> i guess all that money can cause headaches
[13:14] <maxus> ah, now starhub works again
[13:14] <maxus> it gave an error earlier
[13:14] <maxus> "service not available"
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[17:01] <ngiin> ruiwen: what's the hackspace deal in garag3?
[17:03] <ruiwen> ngiin: for this friday? going there to pitch hackerspace
[17:04] <ruiwen> ngiin: are you going?
[17:04] <ngiin> ruiwen: still thinking.
[17:04] <ngiin> ruiwen: garag3.com page got this hackspace thingy, u've see it?
[17:04] <ruiwen> ngiin: okie.. let know if you're going
[17:04] <ruiwen> ngiin: yup that was their hackspace right?
[17:05] <ngiin> yeah
[17:05] <ngiin> they borrowed the idea or what?
[17:05] <ruiwen> ngiin: nope.. they had the idea of a hackspace from when they first started the Garag3
[17:05] <ngiin> i see...
[17:05] <ngiin> they haven't been pushing it?
[17:05] <ruiwen> in fact, some of the text on their hackspace page might have been written by me
[17:06] <ruiwen> coz i was helping them a while after i got back
[17:07] <ruiwen> ngiin: i think they've been pushing it... just that their focus seems to be a bit more on events and their startups
[17:07] <ngiin> i see
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[17:08] <ngiin> ruiwen: but their relations with real hacker-hackers is not that strong right?
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[17:09] <ruiwen> ngiin: it would seem that way, yes.. i'm not very sure of their contacts though
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[17:11] <ngiin> ruiwen: possible to place in the hackerspace ml? Let me give some thoughts in perspective while i park there?
[17:13] <ruiwen> place in the hackerspace .. mailing list?
[17:13] <ruiwen> you can post to the list if you want, no problems
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[17:23] <ngiin> yeah put me on list.
[17:23] <ngiin> thx
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[17:57] <kelvinq> hmmm, anyone knows how yq is doing?
[17:57] <kelvinq> !megan_
[17:57] <kelvinq> ruiwen, i think we should visit you sometime next week at your office.
[17:59] <kelvinq> sneaky freeside is hiding behind an amazon ec2 instance.
[18:05] <ruiwen> hm?
[18:05] <ruiwen> kelvinq: yup, feel free to drop by
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[21:15] <ruiwen> anybody here want a google wave invite? i have some to spare
[21:16] <schiv> ruiwen: :)
[21:19] <schiv> ruiwen: that is, of course, if you don't mind :)
[21:26] <ruiwen> schiv: i don't mind =) PM me your email address?
[21:29] <hyperair> ruiwen: i'm interested.
[21:29] <maxus> ruiwen: i want one :)
[21:35] <ruiwen> schiv: submitted your address, but google's saying it'll take some time to get around, so you'll probably see it in a few days or so
[21:35] <ruiwen> maxus: hyperair: i've got one left between the 2 of you.. shall we flip a coin?
[21:35] <schiv> ruiwen: thanks..now i owe you a pint :)
[21:35] <hyperair> hahah go ahead.
[21:35] <hyperair> ruiwen: does the invitee get invites?
[21:36] <ruiwen> hyperair: ah.. it's pretty uncertain at this point
[21:36] <ruiwen> hyperair: some get their second round invites quite soon
[21:36] <ruiwen> hyperair: others are still waiting
[21:37] <hyperair> ah i see
[21:37] <maxus> ruiwen: go ahead
[21:37] <ruiwen> hyperair: maxus: have flipped a coin.. choose your side?
[21:37] <maxus> head
[21:37] <hyperair> tails then
[21:37] <ruiwen> ok maxus gets it then
[21:38] <maxus> whee
[21:38] <ruiwen> sorry hyperair, will let you know if i get more
[21:38] <maxus> i'll buy you both a beer for this
[21:38] <hyperair> hahah
[21:38] <hyperair> sure no problem
[21:38] <maxus> when i get invites, i`ll give you one, hyperair
[21:38] <hyperair> thanks =)
[21:38] <schiv> i'll give you one too..so you have two :)
[21:38] <maxus> lol
[21:38] <ruiwen> maxus: added =)
[21:39] <schiv> come down to dunlop street/prince of wales and beer's on me any night
[21:40] <maxus> ruiwen: do i need to activate somehow?
[21:42] <ruiwen> maxus: when you get the invite mail, you just need to click the link and sign in and it should be fine
[21:42] <ruiwen> but it'll take a few days i think
[21:42] <maxus> ah, ok
[21:43] <ruiwen> google is releasing both invites and invite mails quite slowly
[21:43] <maxus> i can imagine it's exploding :)
[21:46] <schiv> ruiwen: is this only a preview or can previewers contribute code as well? because from watching the video that's what i gathered.
[21:54] <ruiwen> schiv: it's a preview to the public i think, not the developer sandbox.. haven't seen anything in my interface about contributing code
[21:54] <ruiwen> you could write plugins though, but that's not going into Wave itself i guess
[21:55] <ruiwen> maxus: and yeah.. it's getting busier and busier
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[21:59] <schiv> ruiwen: ahh ok
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[22:31] <davidc___> anybody knows of any lightweight video editor that allows one to do simple cutting of frames?
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[22:43] <davidc___> ping
[22:44] <jmarki> davidc___: memcoder?
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[22:51] <schiv> lightweight..open movie editor
[22:51] <schiv> but you'll probably feel at home with kdenlive
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[22:57] <davidc___> hmmmm
[22:57] <davidc___> any cloud-based alternatives?
[22:59] <schiv> http://www.moviemasher.com/ ?
[23:00] <schiv> or rather..google's first result: http://jaycut.com/
[23:00] <davidc___> yeah giving jaycut a try
[23:00] <davidc___> seems interesting
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[23:28] <davidc___> ok jaycut is unusabke
[23:28] <davidc___> *unusable
[23:28] <davidc___> any others?
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