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[1:16] <icedwater> Do you guys know of a way to track network traffic(volume) on Debian?
[1:17] <icedwater> And add it to conky :P
[1:18] <hyperair> icedwater: conky?
[1:18] <hyperair> icedwater: i've got an ice network graph here..
[1:19] <hyperair> look into ${downspeed <interface>} and ${downspeedgraph <interface> <h>,<w>}
[1:23] <icedwater> Oh, I wasn't looking for the speed .. I have that already.
[1:23] <icedwater> Any way to check volume? eg 104KB downloaded today
[1:25] <sng> icedwater: MRTG. Perhaps cacti if you really wanted pretty graphs and a lot of detail.
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[1:25] <hyperair> oh that
[1:26] <hyperair> icedwater: try ifconfig. =p
[1:27] <schiv> cacti is good..but also a little overkill
[1:27] <schiv> i'm pretty sure i came across a conkyrc that had something like this
[1:27] <schiv> while searching for the same thing to log my mobile broadband last time..when m1 had a cap.
[1:28] <icedwater> sng: MRTG?
[1:28] <hyperair> icedwater: write up a script looking at /proc/net/dev
[1:28] <sng> icedwater: http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/
[1:29] <sng> hyperair: Or he could not reinvent the wheel.
[1:29] <icedwater> Interesting, hadn't bothered to look in that file. Will need some ... yeah, what sng said :P
[1:29] <icedwater> But I wouldn't mind some practice writing scripts, either.
[1:29] <hyperair> reinventing the wheel is fun
[1:29] <icedwater> Nonetheless, mrtg first. Let's see..
[1:29] <hyperair> and isn't mrtg something like ntop?
[1:29] <sng> Oddly enough network types have come up with all kinds of tools to manage networks.
[1:29] <icedwater> hyperair: Not if you want to drive NAO.
[1:30] <hyperair> heh
[1:30] <hyperair> icedwater: but you wanted something that can be put into conky, didn't you?
[1:30] <sng> hyperair: In the same sense a Yugo is something like a Lamborghini, yes.
[1:31] <hyperair> thanks for your very descriptive explanation
[1:31] <icedwater> hyperair: If possible. Though I don't know why conky keeps blinking out on me every now and then.
[1:31] <hyperair> icedwater: blinking out as in segfaulting?
[1:31] <icedwater> I thought it was the single buffer, but when I switched to double buffer the desktop icons wouldn't draw.
[1:31] <icedwater> Nope, literally blinking out. Just a display issue.
[1:32] <hyperair> hmm
[1:32] <hyperair> wait a sec
[1:32] <hyperair> how are you running conky?
[1:32] <hyperair> as a separate window, or drawing onto the root window?
[1:32] <icedwater> And it also went blink every now and then.
[1:32] <hyperair> if you draw onto the root window you'll get all sorts of issues
[1:32] <icedwater> root I think.
[1:32] <hyperair> nautilus doesn't like anything else drawing on the root window
[1:33] <icedwater> So I should use separate window?
[1:33] <hyperair> yeah
[1:33] <hyperair> put on double buffering, use pseudotransparency
[1:33] <hyperair> and stick it in a corner where no icons are
[1:33] <icedwater> own_window yes, I believe
[1:33] <hyperair> yeah
[1:33] <icedwater> own_window_type?
[1:33] <hyperair> normal
[1:34] <hyperair> and hints undecorated, sticky, bottom
[1:34] <hyperair> own_window_hints undecorated,below,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager
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[1:34] <icedwater> What's stippled_border?
[1:35] <hyperair> turn it on and see
[1:35] <hyperair> it's just a change in the border type
[1:35] <icedwater> I guess I should also turn on draw_borders to see the difference yeah :P
[1:36] <icedwater> So where do I put stuff to run automatically?
[1:36] <hyperair> depends on your desktop environment
[1:36] <hyperair> GNOME?
[1:36] <icedwater> I tried sticking it in /etc/profile or ~/.profile, but then the DE wouldn't load :P
[1:36] <hyperair> just stick it in system->preferences->startup applications.
[1:36] <icedwater> Yeah
[1:36] <icedwater> How about the DE-independent way?
[1:37] <hyperair> i think it's pretty DE independendent..
[1:37] <hyperair> it's just the method of adding
[1:37] <hyperair> when i tried using KDE, all my GNOME startup apps appeared
[1:37] <hyperair> it goes in ~/.config/startup i think
[1:37] <hyperair> er ~/.config/autostart
[1:39] <icedwater> OK
[1:41] <jmarki> icedwater: that autostart directory is in the freedesktop specs, i think http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html
[1:42] <icedwater> jmarki: Yeah, but I think I was looking for the non-GUI way, I just chose the wrong words :P
[1:43] <jmarki> icedwater: but that is a non-gui way. hack up a .desktop file, put it there, and presto! =p
[1:43] <schiv> that's as non-gui as you get
[1:43] <hyperair> indeed
[1:43] <schiv> do it from a vc
[1:43] <hyperair> vc?
[1:43] <schiv> i mean virtual console
[1:43] <hyperair> wasn't it vt?
[1:43] <jmarki> xterm? konsole?
[1:44] <schiv> yeah..could be. dunno whether there's a standard term.
[1:44] <hyperair> it's virtual terminal
[1:44] <hyperair> not virtual console
[1:44] <hyperair> terminals are terminals on linux.
[1:44] <hyperair> consoles are for windows
[1:45] <jmarki> hyperair: unix terms the serial output at a console...
[1:45] <schiv> probably. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console_(PC)
[1:45] <jmarki> s/at/as/
[1:45] <hyperair> hmm isit?
[1:46] <hyperair> hmm i guess they're both the same
[1:46] <schiv> i just call it cli
[1:46] <schiv> pretty platform-agnostic term =p
[1:46] <jmarki> hyperair: yeah. redirecting console output is one of the things you do when you want to have less hair
[1:46] <hyperair> jmarki: huh?
[1:47] <jmarki> used when you want to do installation or see the serial output from remote
[1:47] <hyperair> O_o
[1:47] <jmarki> yeah. you can even see the ram checking ticks
[1:47] <jmarki> =p
[1:48] <sng> jmarki: Hehehe. Linux is so *cute* sometimes.
[1:50] <jmarki> sng: it's a conspiracy! the hardware and software companies helping system admins have jobs!
[1:50] <sng> The concept of a Unix like OS where console redirecting isn't dead easy is just horrific.
[1:51] <jmarki> hyperair: [OT-anime] The book of bantorra!!
[1:51] <hyperair> jmarki: what about it?
[1:51] <sng> jmarki: Meh. The really good ones just use software that works. Thus freeing up time for important stuff like beer and kissing pretty girls.
[1:52] <jmarki> hyperair: gore gore gore gore! =p no sickeningly cute gals
[1:52] <sng> jmarki: We call them BSD users. :)
[1:52] <schiv> sng is right =p
[1:52] <hyperair> jmarki: lol okay.
[1:53] <sng> schiv: It works for me. :)
[1:53] <sng> OK. That's enough flamebaitng from me.
[1:53] <jmarki> sng: well, it works. if you can figure out the baud rates, and the null cable layout
[1:53] <sng> jmarki: Like I said. Software that just works. :)
[1:54] <jmarki> sng: =D i was thinking solaris.... =p
[1:54] * jmarki hides from solaris fanatics
[1:54] <sng> jmarki: Solaris ain't bad on that front.
[1:55] <jmarki> sng: really? okay, i'll just stick with Linux then...
[1:56] <sng> jmarki: I'm mostly just taking the piss. In reality the best tool for any job is the one that works best for you. But it does crack me up sometimes with how un-UNIXlike Linux is.
[1:57] <sng> jmarki: Of course keep in mind that I was dialing into the University of Utah's UNIX box in 1987. So my take on this is all from a very old skool point of view.
[1:57] <jmarki> sng: yeah. Linux is not UNIX is really on the dot. =D
[1:58] <sng> jmarki: It's not even on the same firing range in some cases.
[2:00] <jmarki> sng: i think Linux is an improvement though. in the deeper parts of it.
[2:01] <sng> jmarki: <snort giggle>
[2:01] <sng> Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
[2:01] <jmarki> sng: okay okay. i got burnt too much with solaris 10. =p
[2:03] <sng> jmarki: Like I said the only real way to judge a tool is by how well it works for *you*.
[2:06] <jmarki> sng: yeah
[2:06] <jmarki> whoopee~
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[3:46] -Md- [GlobalNotice] sorry for the recent mass-kill issue! we are investigating what happened exactly
[3:46] -Md- [GlobalNotice] sorry for the recent mass-kill issue! we are investigating what happened exactly
[3:46] -Md- [GlobalNotice] sorry for the recent mass-kill issue! we are investigating what happened exactly
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[3:58] <singh> what is a nick collision?
[3:59] <schiv> "sorry for the recent mass-kill issue! we are investigating what happened exactly"
[4:01] <jmarki|away> singh: if irc servers fail to synchronise, creating a phenomenon of multiple logins of the same nickname appearing on the irc network, a nick collision is created
[4:02] <singh> O_O
[4:04] -tomaw- [Global Notice] Hi all, as you will have noticed a rather large percentage of our users were just killed by a bug in a utility bot. We've taken it offline and are investigating the cause. Sorry for the inconvenience! Please direct questions to #freenode as staff are a little swamped!
[4:04] -tomaw- [Global Notice] Hi all, as you will have noticed a rather large percentage of our users were just killed by a bug in a utility bot. We've taken it offline and are investigating the cause. Sorry for the inconvenience! Please direct questions to #freenode as staff are a little swamped!
[4:04] -tomaw- [Global Notice] Hi all, as you will have noticed a rather large percentage of our users were just killed by a bug in a utility bot. We've taken it offline and are investigating the cause. Sorry for the inconvenience! Please direct questions to #freenode as staff are a little swamped!
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[4:52] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, We have now worked out the cause of the recent killings, and for those interested, information can be found at http://announce.freenode.net -- We apologise for the balls-up and the inconvenience caused. Thank you for using freenode and have a nice evening.
[4:52] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, We have now worked out the cause of the recent killings, and for those interested, information can be found at http://announce.freenode.net -- We apologise for the balls-up and the inconvenience caused. Thank you for using freenode and have a nice evening.
[4:52] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, We have now worked out the cause of the recent killings, and for those interested, information can be found at http://announce.freenode.net -- We apologise for the balls-up and the inconvenience caused. Thank you for using freenode and have a nice evening.
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[7:22] <icedwater> Woohoo!
[7:22] <icedwater> Screen within a screen.
[7:22] <icedwater> Fun.
[7:22] <icedwater> Going to bed now :P
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[11:29] <singh> ruiwen: Was just following the HackFest mails.. So what inputs are needed from the coreteam?
[11:30] <ruiwen> singh: the active coreteam? well organising a hackfest is at the most basic level securing the venue for the day
[11:31] <ruiwen> singh: if you guys wanna do more, that's good.. like listing the various projects people will be working on.. helping them to seek collaborators, and so on
[11:31] <ruiwen> publicity, etc
[11:32] <singh> ruiwen: yes the active coreteam.. Should it be publicised a bit here in NUS?
[11:32] <ruiwen> singh: yup it should
[11:32] <ruiwen> while it's open to the public, it's good to get more NUS people in to build the community in NUS
[11:33] <singh> ruiwen: so that includes a poster in SoC? and sending out mails to ugrad students?
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[11:33] <ruiwen> well posters.. if you guys have the resources i guess =) but otherwise, email blasts via the secretaries and on IVLE should work
[11:34] <singh> ruiwen: ok. will get on the publicity part. What about "listing the various projects people will be working on.. helping them to seek collaborators, and so on"?
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[11:37] <ruiwen> singh: so far hackfests have been people each working on their own projects in their own time (which is ok).. i was just wondering if it would be good to foster more collaboration by giving the community an insight into each other's projects by listing them.. eg. so say if i know you're hacking on a project i'm interested in.. that's an incentive to come to the hackfest to talk shop
[11:40] <singh> ruiwen: ooo!! got the point. Yeah, it can be done. A bit updating on the website and a google form will do.
[11:41] <singh> ruiwen: it would be like getting a hackerspace in NUS :D
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[11:44] <singh> ruiwen: can you tell about the possible dates for this months hackfest?
[11:44] <ruiwen> singh: indeed =) in fact, the hackfests are somewhat of a precursor to the hackerspace in terms of community building
[11:46] <ruiwen> singh: 21 nov is barcamp, so we probably don't wanna clash with that
[11:46] <ruiwen> singh: but all other weekends look free from major events for now
[11:47] <singh> well i have my exams starting from 24th so are most of the undergrads exams are. So would prefer in the first half of november.
[11:47] <ruiwen> singh: 28 nov, sat is also the day after hari raya haji, so people might still be on holiday, or might be spending time with family
[11:47] <ruiwen> looks like we're left with 14 Nov then
[11:47] <ruiwen> this sat might be a little too soon
[11:48] <triplez> are we meeting jamestyj any time?
[11:48] <ruiwen> he was suggesting 11 nov right?
[11:49] <singh> ruiwen: yep. I guess anything earlier than 21st is good.
[11:50] <ruiwen> singh: indeed.. have any venues in mind?
[11:54] <singh> ruiwen: Speaking of my resources and contacts regarding venues, i guess they wont spread outside NUS. But I guess, the research engineer from SMU might be able to get one there.
[11:57] <ruiwen> singh: indeed
[11:57] <ruiwen> ngiin has also suggested MDA's F11 at Fusionopolis
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[13:40] <elfgoh> lizhuoru: hi rare visit from you :p
[13:41] <lizhuoru> hi, elfgoh...long time no see
[13:41] <ruiwen> hello lizhuoru
[13:41] <ruiwen> long time no see =)
[13:41] <lizhuoru> hi ruiwen
[13:41] <elfgoh> lizhuoru: not too long ago we met at Microsoft during hackfest
[13:43] <lizhuoru> is the new linuxnus room at ICUBE(I3)-03-31?
[13:49] <ruiwen> lizhuoru: it's at iCube.. but i'm not sure of the exact unit number
[13:49] <ruiwen> lizhuoru: there are signs on the walls though.. you could probably follow those?
[13:51] <lizhuoru> i see. actually last time when we relocated from soc1, some of my books were already packed before i could clear them. will come sometime to get it
[13:53] <ruiwen> lizhuoru: righto.. you might need to dig through the stacks to find them though.. i'm not very sure of how much unpacking has been done
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[14:46] <yq> ruiwen: i think i'll surrender to get the mobile broad band
[14:46] <ruiwen> yq: heh no go with combining the cards?
[14:46] <yq> ruiwen: the seller doesnt know how it works . ha.. unless email manufacturer..
[14:47] <yq> hmmm maybe i'll just do that. but i think chances are low. considering. it already mentions some form of 'switching' on the spec description
[14:47] <ruiwen> ic
[14:48] <ruiwen> still handy if you can make it work thogh
[14:49] <yq> hmmmm
[14:49] <yq> u wont have always 'online'
[14:49] <ruiwen> ah true
[14:49] <yq> u get only 'online' when needed
[14:49] <yq> so.. u get to use it for utility purposes..
[14:49] <yq> not so much for social..
[14:49] <yq> and no uptodate emails
[14:49] <ruiwen> heh "online only when necessary" works for me =P
[14:50] <ruiwen> coz otherwise if i'm at my laptop, social and email are already there
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[14:53] * hyperair coughs it out
[14:53] <hyperair> speaking of bugs i've been killing loads in my room lately
[14:53] <hyperair> and my aim with rubberbands have improved. there's a causal connection there.
[14:54] <ruiwen> hahaha
[14:54] <ruiwen> congrats
[14:55] <hyperair> lol
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[17:13] <icedwater> I like ideapaint!
[17:13] <icedwater> :D
[17:14] <ruiwen> it's apparently quite expensive though
[17:15] <ruiwen> heard there's something similar, but in sticker form instead.. no gauge on pricing though
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[17:40] <icedwater> I think we could probably DIY it ... don't know.
[17:40] <icedwater> Reverse engineering ftw :)
[17:41] <icedwater> But the THIS and THAT is so usable :D
[17:41] <icedwater> It's a very well-designed product, I think.
[17:41] <icedwater> I mean, I don't know whether to mix that into this or this into that, but the sizes of the containers provide another hint which goes into which.. and there's no complicated names
[17:44] <icedwater> Which of course also slightly impairs reverse-engineering, but hey, they need to make money :P
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[21:54] <iluma> Hi! I'm from JamiQ. A local startup that does social media monitoring. We are looking for developers. Drop me a note at jiayi.lee@jamiq.com if you are keen. Cheers!
[21:57] <icedwater> iluma: Say hi to kelvinq for me :)
[21:57] <icedwater> Also, do consider posting that on our forum or on the mailing list :)
[21:57] <iluma> ok thanks
[21:58] <iluma> icedwater: ah so you know Mr Quee.
[21:58] <icedwater> How do you find IRC?
[21:58] <icedwater> Yeah, he donated an n800 to us.
[21:59] <iluma> how do I find IRC?
[22:00] <icedwater> Yeah, I'm making the assumption that you don't seldom log on, since you are using a webchat client :P
[22:01] <iluma> haha thats because i clicked the link on a website
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[22:02] <icedwater> I see, I see. Our homepage is it?
[22:02] <icedwater> So I guess my assumption is wrong ;)
[22:03] <iluma> you are right its on the top of linuxnus homepage
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[22:12] <thinkstrohi> hey
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[22:26] <triplez> helloo
[22:27] <strohi> hi
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